Cartoon War Leads to Role Reversal, Makes First Victim

From the desk of Paul Belien on Sat, 2006-02-04 20:42

For four months this website has been one of the few places (apart from the Danish media, of course) where information could be found on the cartoon affair. Today the story is all over the global mainstream media (MSM). Hence there is no need for us to repeat what has been mentioned elsewhere. Our readers probably already know that the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus have been set on fire, that the U.S. and British governments are pleased that their newspapers do not have the guts of some European ones, and that the venerable BBC – never hesitating to offend prudish Christians – found itself in a “dilemma” when it had to decide whether or not to show prudish Muslims twelve, mostly inoffensive cartoons [see them here, halfway down the page] – so inoffensive in fact that alienated Danish Muslim fanatics had to add three truly offensive cartoons (of their own making?) to deliberately incite Islamic hatred against Denmark.

The Brussels Journal will concentrate on facts that the MSM hardly devote attention to, such as an e-mail campaign in Belgium for a boycott of French international supermarket chain Carrefour. The reason for this call is that Carrefour has taken all Danish products off the shelves of its stores in Muslim countries, proudly declaring “Carrefour don’t carry Danish products.” In the internet age pictures of posters with the Carrefour logo proclaiming a boycott of Denmark, intended for use in Egypt, are also seen in Brussels, where the result is… a boycott of Carrefour. This illustrates how in the “cartoon war” it will be hard to remain neutral. Everyone will be forced to take sides.

Today an e-mail reached us from Poland, saying:

The notorious cartoons have been published in one of major Polish newspapers, Rzeczpospolita. The editor, Grzegorz Gauden, commented that the European press has divided into two camps: those who decided to publish and those who explain why they are not going to do it. The editorial board, while recognizing the controversional nature of pictures’ contents, totally rejected the methods resorted to by the opponents of the publication: burning of national banners, terrorist threats, etc. Free press and free states cannot give in to this sort of pressure, was the unsurprising conclusion.


The reactions [to the publication in Rzeczpospolita] deprived me of any illusions concerning both the Polish governement and the Polish press as the whole. Mr Marcinkiewicz, Polish prime minister, claimed the cartoons insulted not only the Muslims, but also “everyone who did not accept religious and ethnic hatred.”


Thus, he “shares the feelings of everyone who felt insulted.” Even though the Polish government cannot influence the press, he said that “‘properly understood’ limits of freedom of speech” have been violated by Rzeczpospolita in this “unnecessary provocation.”

Mr Marcinkiewicz was never thought to be a courageous or independent politician. Therefore, it shouldn’t perhaps come as a big surprise. What I found truly pathetic is that the president of national journalists’ association quickly supported his views. She said that she is personally a Catholic and it would be painful if anyone dared to laugh at her religion. It is also telling that the largest Polish national newspaper, Gazeta Wyborcza, failed to publish any editorial comment on the whole cartoon affair. Poland, solidarity, freedom. Don’t forget that abstract notions should always be “properly understood.”

We do not know to what extent the official reaction in Poland corresponds with those in other countries of Donald Rumsfeld’s so-called “New Europe,” but if it does then this is in line with the remarkable role reversal that we noted earlier in the different approaches of the French and German governments (which defend the right of Westerners to draw Muhammad) and the “appeasing” British and American governments (which condemn this as being “offensive”). We had never thought that we would end up on the side of “Old Europe,” but that is where we are today.

Meanwhile, Jihad Momani, the only Arab editor who had the courage to publish some of the Muhammad cartoons, has been arrested by the Jordanian authorities. Last Thursday Mr Momani’s paper, al-Shihan, published three of the cartoons, including the one of Muhammad with a bomb in his turban. The cartoons were accompanied by an editorial in which Mr Momani wrote that suicide bombers and terrorists slashing throats of hostages in front of cameras cause much more harm to Islam than these drawings. Before the day was over Mr Momani had been sacked, while all remaining copies of the paper were destroyed by the publisher, Arab Printing Company.

Mr Momani was forced to offer public apologies. “I ask Allah’s forgiveness and express my apologies for the serious mistake that I made in Shihan. It was a mistake that happened unintentionally and was caused by my enthusiasm to defend our faith,” he said.

Yesterday the Brussels-based Flemish newspaper De Morgen interviewed Mr Momani over the phone. The Jordanian journalist appeared to be in a panic. According to the interview, which was published today, he told De Morgen:

“I cannot assess what severe penalties await me.”

It is possible that the authorities arrested Mr Momani today in order to protect his life from assassins, but it is also possible that they will prosecute him for blasphemy. During the interview he also told the Brussels paper that he still holds the opinions he defended in his editorial.

“The frenzied reactions to the publication of the cartoons is out of all proportions and does the Muslim cause more harm than good. […] I could have published the editorial without the three illustrations, but I chose not to do so. Look, it has been five months since the cartoons were published in Denmark. […] I wanted to show the people why they were so furiously protesting in the streets, as these are only a few silly pictures. I thought it might defuse the situation a bit if people saw the actual cartoons.”

Mr Momani said he is himself a Muslim and realizes perfectly well that the cartoons can be offensive.

“These pictures are really insulting to us. I myself was not happy when I saw them […] But to react to them in such an extreme way is a big mistake and can be as foolish. That is what I wanted to make clear.”

Mr Momani had not imagined that the publication could lead to his dismissal. He said he felt let down by the Jordanian government.

“I feel hunted down. I am very disappointed in our government. There are thousands of ordinary Muslims who completely agree with me, but this inquisition is being inflated to a religious war by certain people, and certainly by those with power. That is a dangerous and foolish thing to do.”

The jailed Mr Momani is the first victim of the Cartoon War. His fate should concern all of us – including the timid American press.

More on the Cartoon Case (see links at end of article)

Re: Promoting Muslim Porn!

Submitted by A New Believer on Fri, 2006-02-10 22:10.

Ummm ! Army Scout the europeans do not need to promote them. Just got to the adult website, there are plenty of the "god fearing modest muslims girls with their bahoobie juubbies hanging out! My friend showed me one with a veilon her face spreading her.. you get my drift. somewhere out there there is a guy named Mohammed telling at a moniter saying "Fatima! what are you doing! You said no one would ever see that but me!" The pic with teh camel and the babe in the veil was intersting too. I really cannot say whihc one had the larger udders.. Her or the camel. But of course, there are no such websites and muslims girl woudl never do such a thing! *winks* Right!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Thanks

Submitted by Raf on Fri, 2006-02-10 09:34.

Thanks Brussels Journal for your thorough investigations, and thanks Danish Prime Minister for standing for what you believe in and for your actions.

The main danger in this world are religious preachers from any creed who love to distort the truth to fit their own agenda (which is not God's), together with the fear of standing up to them.

Raf  

Bikini VS Burqa

Submitted by Imran Patel on Fri, 2006-02-10 07:26.

The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka

By Henry Makow Ph.D.
September 18, 2002

Bikini vs. Burka On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.

Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing but a bikini.

One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called "civilizations."

The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.

I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the values that the burka represents for me.

For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and family. Only they see her.

It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere.

The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge and support to her husband.

In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of the time.

In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance and plagued by weight problems.)

As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit to receive her husband's seed.

The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based on aggression and reason.

Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother.

This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," women are not supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation.

At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for sexuality in America?

Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates: creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed.

We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state of perpetual courtship.

This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely to find a permanent mate.

Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making marriage and family her first priority.

Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam.

I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.

The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere in the middle.

On the table

Submitted by Bob Doney on Fri, 2006-02-10 10:38.

I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.

Henry sounds like a man who expects his dinner on the table when he comes home from work.

Bob Doney

Re: On the table

Submitted by A New Believer on Fri, 2006-02-10 15:57.

And hoping for a bit of crumpet in the bedroom eh what eh what! Nods as good as a wink!

But he still has the bikini girl up ogling that and drooling I bet! Fancy o bit that, eh!

My Scandinavian believes a man's wife is like his money, stranger's should not have their hands on it! But then he does not have to worry I am not handing out what belongs to him to anyone either. There are a great deal of western women who are not handing out their husband's candy to anyone but their husbands. Nor are we all horrid because we chose what to wear to the beach. And as for morals and modesty between western and eastern culture obviously Patel has not seen the websites offering genuine indian hotties and arab nymphos on the websites. Ouch! what happened! They all expect the western girls to be shameless. Guess they never thought about theirs!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To Lode Runner

Submitted by Imran Patel on Fri, 2006-02-10 07:23.

Well....your totally confused.  The Ohio bombing was totally done by Americans.  They were NOT Muslims.  In the 90's there was a bombing in Ohio which was originally blamed on the Muslims.  A BLING Muslims man who was handicapped was arrested with ties to the attack.  How the hell was he involved.  Also in the end they found out that the Muslim man was innocent. I am not sure whether he was released or not though I heard he still isn't.  I just wanted to point out that not all Bombers are Muslims.  And to A New Believer.  Why dont you try and wearing the Burqa.  If you did more then half the ugliness in the world will dissappear.  And when the Muslim women reach home and takes off her Burqa it lightens up her own home.

Re: Not a Damned Muslim

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Fri, 2006-02-10 20:37.

Well the fashion in the arab worlds, look strange to us, who lives in Denmark. Women wearing a burka are looking strange here in Denmark - when I see them. They look like aliens from another planet. In the arab states - well it's just a part of the picture, when you travel around the arab countries.

From my point of view - must people wear whatever - they want, that shall no religion og some radical imams decide

To Poul Nielsen re: Not a Damned Muslim

Submitted by A New Believer on Fri, 2006-02-10 22:23.

I married a muslim arab ( and dviroced him thank the Gods!) and I never wore hijab or burqa I placed a scarf on now and then when I felt like it ( to shelter my head from wind or from rain, or even cold). He brought me that black shroud to put on, withe the veil also so you had to raise up two screen to see out of and even then your face looked like it had a helmet over it around the eyes. I laughed and said for What?!? He sputtered and said because my father and uncles want you to. I told him when I married any of them we MIGHT discuss it, until then..NO! and since I was married to him, I definitely was NOT going to! they always look uncomfortable to me. And full covering is the burqa, gloves and sock on..so not any of you shows much. Not all the women wear them in muslim or arab countries. But they do look odd in the western countries. Trailing behind the men or in a group. I have never seen so many women shopping together without separating from each other in little packs since the soviets.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To: A New Believer

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Fri, 2006-02-10 22:53.

Hi - I wrote, people should have the right to wear whatever they want.

I have been travelling in muslims countries as well - so when I saw someone in burka. As a visitor and guest -I regard it as a normal there.

Since I living in Copenhagen, I can inform you, that in some specific areas of Copenhagen, with a lot of muslims from the arab world, it's not un usual to people wearing a burka.

I can have my ideas about that - but I don't know why. Maybe it's some women - radical muslims in Denmark have imported - from undeveloped areas in the muslim world.

The official Denmark accept that, but if they would like to have social aid, be introduced to the labor marked - get a job, they and their families must make a choice. I the women use their burka - and their religon as an excuse for not taking a job - they can't get social aid (approx €1100 pr month + extra pr. child). The danish society don't accept - anymore, to give social aid to people, who are not trying to get a job..

To Poul Nielsen

Submitted by A New Believer on Fri, 2006-02-10 23:08.

Hej! Hvordan går det? Jeg taler ikke [godt] dansk. Just learning Svensk at the moment! Hope you did not take offense! The danish government is right. They do not want their women to work. The muslim men want them at home, barefoot, pregnant and undereducated if possible. I had more fights about my working, but since he could not seem to hold down a job to save his life. Yes, it infuriates me that they leave all that way and then half of them never better themselves. Do not blame all of the women for being backwards though, the male dominated hierarchy seems to require it. Great to talk to a Dane.
Mange tak!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
May Thor guide your hand!

To: A New Believer

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Fri, 2006-02-10 23:29.

Dit danske fejler ikke noget.
I can take almost anything - also radical muslims, but I don't accept them, their views and what they stand for.

Since you can read danish - then read following statement from a muslim woman, Ayaan Hirsi Ali
http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php?id=3625026

I don't know - if her interview is online at the internet, but she support the freedom muslim women have here in the west.

Well - you must know muslim men better than me ;-), but the Islam Imam here in denmark - do also hate to work . he have received social aid - most of the year he have been living here:

http://ekstrabladet.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=333667

It's strange - that a man, who have received so much from Denmark - are shoving such a hostile attitude...

PS: I should give you my regards from Thor :-)

To Poul Nielsen

Submitted by A New Believer on Fri, 2006-02-10 23:44.

Ohhh! Mange Tak for the kind words of my Danske! Yes,it is odd, about the Imam Laban. That never ceases to amaze me that you leave a place that was your home, then take up residence in another. You make that new polace as your home. Some of them never bother to learn the language, they wall themselves away in neighborhoods where they try to never have to deal with any other people that are different from themselves. The most won derful thing is learning a new language, as you try to speak it ..yes they laugh but happily mostly because you are trying. well alright, so the French are mean with it yes! But the rest of the Europeans will smile and nod and encourage you. If you come to a new country for adoption into it. Then you have to be TRUE to the new homeland that you have chosen. So when they feed, succor, clothe and protect you, then You OWE back..loyalty, respect, gratitude, alleigance.You cannot call yourself as this imam does a danish muslim cleric..if you are not supportive of your new homeland..danmark. Alright if the cartoon upset you say so, lodge a simple protest. and then go on with life. But do not slink out of the country in the middle of the night like a dog and carry lies, innuendo, suspicion, distrust and disrespect. I hope you all send him and any of his ilk that wish to depart..home. Better for the Danmark I think, that to let the viper lies within your bosom. For they did Danmark dirty, those imams. They knew the press was not a leash in Danmark.

Ohhh! Yes, I am passionate about such things. Man or womaa all owe their homeland be it birth or if you have emigrated somewhere else.. alleigance, loyalty and honor. May the Royal Family of Danmark and the Government live and be prosperous for all time!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Tak for Thor's blessing! May Freya give Danmark her light!

Amazing- Muslims always correct!

Submitted by Lode Runner on Fri, 2006-02-10 04:59.

Been waiting for moderate Muslims around the world to protest the violence of terrorists. Still waiting. Waiting on this channel for Muslims to protest suicide bombings. Still waiting. You know what? I think I finally realize what a modern Muslim is now.
I mean "moderate".

To Aman if Euros were nazis

Submitted by Lode Runner on Fri, 2006-02-10 04:26.

Wow- a muslim that believes the holocaust existed? If I told this guy what the Gestapoo actually did to members of the resistance, he'd be getting too many ideas. Christianity teaches peace, and the crusades were a perversion of Chriastinity. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Christian, nor of any organized religion, but I know that killing innocents in the name of my ancestors is a bad idea, and doing so DESERVES POLITICAL CARTOONS! I am now so convinced that the Muslims are the most hateful members of the world, as if the 9/11 attacks did not convince me. Convince me otherwise, moderate Muslims, tell me I'm wrong. Huuh? I can't hear you! Speak louder! Who are you protesting against en masse? Oh Not Bin Laden, of course. You show your true colors to the world by your actions. Btw- I'm American of Danish ancestry.

newbeliever du bist sehr dumm

Submitted by Aman on Fri, 2006-02-10 01:36.

Who told you that I live in Europe!!
NO, you're wrong, I live in my original country, and I thank god every day that I do not have to live with Nazis like you. And by the way, do not tell us about the holocaust, it's not our problem, Christian Europeans killed Jewish Europeans, so why I should be blamed for that, it's your fault that you're repeating with the followers of another religion.
Yes Europeans are Nazis again, have you heard about Serberinitsa , were 8000 Muslim civilians were killed by the serbs, while the Dutch peacekeepers were watching, and what about Kosovo, Macedonia
If you have any doubt about this, read the comments of your fellow Europeans, and yours too, it's full of hatred and intimidation. Many of these comments were urging to kill Muslims by nuclear bombs, or slaughter them, or expel them. Nazism is an Ideology in the first place, and it seems you've embraced it already.
As for my region, I'd like to inform you that I fully support all of the organizations which are against Israeli occupation. I like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Alaqsa brigades, and Hezbollah. Of course the Iraqi resistance which killed three American soldiers today is my favorite.
At least all those are struggling for their freedom, but you have nothing but your stupid hatred ideology.
wish you could use your diplomas and masters you're mentioning in every comment to find the right way.

Aman, du bist sehr dumm

Submitted by Patriot on Fri, 2006-02-10 02:34.

Ich muß etwas dir erklären. Du kannst deutsch, richtig? Ich habe nicht gedacht, so, when so many people are indiscriminately killed in the name of your religion, it angers many. The word you need to understand is revenge not hate. To hate is easy your culture proves that everyday, for all the evil and cowardly acts your culture has committed revenge is what is coming your way for many years to come. Tschuß

Aman, sind Sie ein

Submitted by A New Believer on Fri, 2006-02-10 02:19.

Aman, sind Sie ein schmutziges Stück Ausscheidung auf der Unterseite meiner Schuhe!

Aman, u is een vuil stuk van uitwerpsel dat aan boytom van mijn schoenen wordt gehouden!

Ah! Aman! I am not a Nazi's but you seem to be enthralled to using that phrase so much I thought I would remind you of what it would be, if Europeans were Nazis! Get the chicken shit out of your ears "boy" and listen! Oh well I am sure an Islamofascist such as yourself has all kinds of friends in low and dirty places. I am not european, but I am flattered that you think of me so highly. Deeply flattered. Thank You or Danke Schoen, Mange Tak. Tackar Dig. Pilamaya Ye. Please it seems whenever you all are goosestepping it is defending yourself, when we do not like you or call you on the carpet for your bullshit! We are Nazis! Oh by the way , the reason I comment from time to time on the degrees is because you and like minded individuals such as yourself, act as if no one understands about your religion. I understand your religion very well. Much of the propagandic swill you have been dishing out, or the proselytizing speeches you make is just that..bullshit!

Thank You! And have a nice day! Glad you are staying in your original country. Makes one less sack of sad shit to send back home.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

RE: NEW BELIEVER, patriot, balder

Submitted by A New Believer on Fri, 2006-02-10 02:53.

Balder, Patriot Army Scout please guys.. the ones without the burqa.. cause Nermin is hiding out in the burqa and the shock may kill one of you.

Hell Yes without burqa, you do not want to get stuck with one of those disgustingly ugly (think uuuuuugly)females i.e Nermin! After all you have to die to get one of those..she had better be worth it.

p.s. when you are finished with one of those burqa's hand it to Patel so he can have something to wear back home.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Re: New Believer, Patriot & Balder

Submitted by A New Believer on Fri, 2006-02-10 00:25.

That is great! But where are you going to find 72 virgin males amongst all those horny muslims! you have a better chance of finding a virgin rabbit!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Muslim Hypocracy or Fear?

Submitted by Lode Runner on Thu, 2006-02-09 01:44.

I find it interesting that Muslims are up in arms about political cartoons depicting Mohammed, yet none seem concerned about the 9/11 attacks that killed two thousand people, many of them Muslim. I have to assume many protesting are moderates, since it violates the laws of Islam to depict the prophet in pictures (so I've recently read). Where were the moderate Muslims outraged at the events of 9/11 which killed many Muslims as well? Are the moderates all living in fear of the radicals, for fear of reprecussion? Or are they silently cheering on the radicals? Either case is significantly chilling. It tells you who truly is in power in the Muslim community. Better hope to God these people never get nukes, because they don't care who dies. Let's see- they call Israel the little Satan, who they want to blast into the water, and us, the U.S.,the Great Satan, because we help Israel. What does that make Demark today? Toddler Satan?
By the way, I'm not Jewish, but my ancestry is supposed to be mainly Danish, believe it or not. Let's hear it for the freedom of the press, and exposing hypocracy around the world. Go Danes!
My name is- uh, Lode Runner :)

Re: Mulsim Hypocracy or Fear? Try Column A & B

Submitted by A New Believer on Fri, 2006-02-10 03:19.

There are cheering and enraged because Imam Laban, a danish muslim bullshit artist and his fellow danish imam bullshit artists could not get the Danish government to lick their bums the way the british seem to be doing the muslims in the United Kingdom. So..so they went overseas and added three more cartoons not published to add a little fuel to the fire. They were protecting islamic truth,justice and their piss poor way of censorship! They ranted and raved and whipped up some support. Well having seen imam laban, his face looks as if it needed an athletic supporter. Then after starting the flames and fanning them overseas they can back to Danmark and blinked and
said oh this is terrible we should not cause any more furor. They set it all alight. Now they are upset! They the Danish government should reward them, by stripping them of any identity cards, passports etc and sending the miserable whining litle shits back to their respective countries. Then when they start trouble back at home their old secret police organization will take them away and crush their balls, then they will rue the day they started all this commontion and wished they had been good little Danes.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Europeans, you're nazis again

Submitted by Aman on Wed, 2006-02-08 22:13.

Do not lecture us about freedom and democracy, just read your comments, you'll feel that some of you are worse than devil

To Aman, If Europeans were Nazi's

Submitted by A New Believer on Fri, 2006-02-10 00:20.

Oh Aman if Europeans were Nazi's and in power do you really THINK, you would be running your mouth like this on the internet! * Wiping tears from my eyes* You would have been dragged out of your place days ago, screaming silently in terror in the middle of the night! Get real Aman! You are safe. There are no brown shirted or blackshirted men singing lustily forbidden songs their hobnailled jackboots drumming down the strasse coming for YOU! Breaking the windows on your storefront mosques, or shops or homes. Trashing the interiors and beating muslims within an inch of their lives as they drag the males into the street, kicking and beating them. Then tossing them in the backs of trucks never to be seen again. Relax my friend. Their is no "Kristallnacht" for you! No crowds gathering and screaming "muuslim!" *making it sound like a foul word* That is what your jewish neighbors, those that survived the Holocaust went through, that and much worse. But that's right.. no muslim believes in that. That is a shame. Maybe, sometimes some one can show you, you should ask them. They will tell you. There are plenty of places where you can see the Showa testimony of the survivors. Relax, have a coca cola. All is well. But I seem to remember armed gangs of Palestinians roaming through Gaza searching for Europeans, especially Der Nordern! Any muslims that wish to go home I think we can help get you there. 100 krone for shipping,...anyone else want to chip in, we can tax you on the way to the railway cars to pay for the journey back to the Middle East. Please be sure to let us know if any special groups are looking for any of you. We will be glad to phone ahead. So the reception committees of the secret police can be waiting for you. We would not want you getting home and no one there to meet any of you. We can send ahead the names, we will be sure to provide to Hamas and Hizbollah the names of all the pro - israeli sympathizers.. that ought to keep some of you busy. And for the others well, little snippets of conversation re anti government and pro fanatical religious movements. Oh yes! That should keep many of you busy for a long. long while.

Hel help you.. you need it!
Odine be Praised Baldur Save Us!

To Aman.

Submitted by Balder on Thu, 2006-02-09 00:51.

It would be a waste of time to lecture you about democracy, after the election of Hamas everything felt to the ground.. The brave people of Israel knows how to handle your kind. We just need to learn from them !

Speaking of the devil: When a terrorist kills several hundreds of russian school-children in the name of Allah. What do you think this Allah looks like in our eyes ?

Is it true that you put your religion higher than seculare laws ?

The Nazis has left Europe Aman

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Thu, 2006-02-09 00:35.

Most of the Nazis did terrible things under world war II, such as kill people because of their race, religion, political views, nationality. Artist, writers and scientist's was forced to leave europe at that time.

Now a days - a lot of muslims from the arab states lives in europe. Maybe many of the immigrants from the muslim world - lives in europe, because of the same reasons - wich forced people to leave Nazi europe under world war II

To patriot! Oh yes they do believe!

Submitted by A New Believer on Wed, 2006-02-08 22:42.

Patriot! They not only believe it! They are counting on it! Otherwise all this bullshit is for nothing! Get all westerners out and then.. well you know!
But riddle me this Patriot , if the men get 72 virgins.. do female suicide bombers get 72 male virgins? ( wonders whre in teh sma hill we are going to find those there?!)

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

male virgins

Submitted by Patriot on Wed, 2006-02-08 22:53.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I think Muhammed must have made a deal with Satan for the virgins,what do ya think?

Niflhel awaits them.

Submitted by Balder on Thu, 2006-02-09 00:16.

This only shows their pervertet view of the female sex. The woman is for the pleasure of the man.

May Odin travel to Hel to pick up these terrorist sons of Loke, drown them in Slid and feed their bodies to Fenris....

To Balder!

Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-09 23:56.

Jaaaaaaaaaa! You are correct Sir! I bow to my brothers wisdom!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

CARREFOUR

Submitted by Freespeech on Wed, 2006-02-08 21:25.

Having seen on The Brussels Journal the pictures of Carrefour's boycott of Danish goods in the Middle East, I e-mailed to Carrefour Italy that neither me nor any of my family's members would ever cross a Carrefour gate any more, they replied saying that being an international retailer they do never take side in rows opposing peoples from different cultures, though their local franchisee are free to take the commercial decisions that suit better their customers' expectations : by all means a Pontius Pilate stance.

Hypocrisy...

Submitted by L Smith on Sun, 2006-02-05 20:12.

I find some interesting parallels to the outcry over the "cartoons." I liken the terrorists to the Nazis of WWII. To the terrorists, it's either my way or we'll blow you up...all in the name of God. The Nazis thought they had a divine providence, also. Hypocrits can always find a divine rational for their behavior. When are the rest of us, moderates of any location, going to get tired of the hypocrisies of all radicals and make them stop? The Nazi attrocities came to past because most rational people said and did nothing. Is the world going to stand by and let the terrorists dictate their moral heresies? I hope not.

Disgusted and Appalled at ALL

Submitted by Appalled on Sun, 2006-02-05 19:56.

Being a muslim myself, I have to say that even though I did take great offense to the cartoons, I am absolutely disgusted at the "violent" and foolish reactions of some of the muslims. Have u not failed to understand that violence is by no means the answer!! There are so many other ways to bring a point across than acting like mad uncivilised people ( i hate to say this but I view it that way). Had we protsted in a peaceful and "debating" manner and then if no result was reached, just implemented the boycotts (it is our right not to deal with nations that have no repsect for us), I feel that we would have conveyed the message in a far better manner and upheld the teachings or OUR own religion. Furthermore, look at the threads of conversation taking place on here by both muslims and non muslims. Seriously people, grow the hell up and stop bickering like elementary school children ( we invented this and u didnt lala la la laaa...seriously what the hell??!). Finally, I dont care what justification the Danish govt. has given for the cartoons, they r OFFENSIVE regardless and if promoting offense and "hate" comes under freedom of expression and democracy, then maybe a review of this so called democracy is necessary - a democracy that is obviously targeted at securing the rights of some and ignoring the rights of others to be respected, if no harm is to be done through that respect. Besides, this democracy that we so strongly wish to uphold now a days, has failed us time and time again and is only viewed by i dunno, half the world maybe or less, as the "way to be". There is no saying of what is right and what is wrong, just cuz one nation or group views something as right does not mean that it is, however, some issues remain basic and need no further study or interpretation and that is the respect of others and tolerance.

Re: Disgusted

Submitted by Lode Runner on Fri, 2006-02-10 05:27.

"Finally, I dont care what justification the Danish govt. has given for the cartoons, they r OFFENSIVE regardless and if promoting offense and "hate" comes under freedom of expression and democracy, then maybe a review of this so called democracy is necessary - a democracy that is obviously targeted at securing the rights of some and ignoring the rights of others to be respected, "
A so called democracy that gives women equal rights hated in the Muslim world. Securing the rights of some? Ignoring others? Look at your hypocracy. The Muslims are the masters of that. They ignore suicide bombers, but want to kill the authour of "The Satanic Verses". In Afghanistan is was a death sentence for a woman to lose her husband. They still perform female circumcision on the Bedouins in Egypt- a very barbaric practice. How many Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, ect. suicide bombers do you know of? NONE. They are ALL MUSLIM, and THAT is where the Muslim Clerics need to teach their people to stop. I'll start to believe you "moderate" Muslims when that starts happening. Until then, I don't believe it will ever happen. All I ever hear from the Muslim community is intolerance and suicide bombings. I've seen so much wonderful things from other religions. It's a shame. A few people have told me that the Muslim religion is supposed to be peaceful. Do you think I trust their opinion anymore? No, not at all.

Thank you

Submitted by Lode Runner on Fri, 2006-02-10 04:47.

Thank you for that response. Just have to ask, did you feel equally indignant to the 9/11 attacks, of the continuing suicide bombings? If so, please post a response. Some of us out here seem to think that a cartoon causes a little less shrapnel ripping into the lives of innocents than a cartoon does. If you disagree, then I'm certainly more indignant than you are, holy believer.

Dumb muslims

Submitted by foster on Sun, 2006-02-05 15:46.

Muslims are just plain dumb. They are barbarian and anger people who should just stay in their dusty ugly little countries and leave the rest of the world alone. I for one do not tolerate other religions that practice violance. Islam isn't the way to truth, God, or Mohammed. Mohammed was just a normal man, who dreamed up all this crap. The Koran is not a holy book, but merely the work of a mere mortal. Islamic countries rule by force, slavery, and fear. You call that religion? I feel so bad for the poor people in the middle east and how terribly they are treated by these so called religious leaders. These muslims want world acceptance and want us to be tolerant of them, but yet they can't tolerate our fundamental beliefs or freedoms. These people remind me of Hitler's regime. Long live Denmark, Britain, USA, and any other country that hopefully will have balls to stand up these idiots.

It's not about persons, it's about ideas

Submitted by Michaël Bauwens on Sun, 2006-02-05 11:46.

I deeply respect Paul Belien for the way he informs us about this case, but I do hope that this 'Role Reversal' will show him that there are in fact no 'Roles' at all. It's never about the 'good guys' vs. the 'bad guys', Mr. Belien, not about the anglo-saxon world vs. the 'franco-german' alliance or something like that. Leaving that somewhat archaic 'person/country A vs. person/countryB' discourse for a 'idea A vs. idea B' type of discourse will, I think, not only in the long run be far more succesful, but is also philosophical more correct.

To Balder

Submitted by JASJ on Wed, 2006-02-08 20:36.

The story you posted about an attack on a Dane turned out not to be true: "News from Denmark:Musim attack against Dane in Copenhagen"

If you follow this link:
http://www.jp.dk/indland/artikel:aid=3543126/

you can see that the "sausage seller" is now being charged for false accusations.

JASJ

Muhammad cartoons have been there all the time

Submitted by VHfc on Sun, 2006-02-05 08:41.

And far worse than the 12 friendly thingies of the Posten. Zombietimes.com has an overview on http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/
Also have a look at the work of infidel artist D.T.Devareaux http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/
And what about Islamcomicbook.com? http://www.islamcomicbook.com

I made some stuff myself, both in tempore suspecto and non suspecto http://vhfc.blogspot.com/2005/11/double-standards.html and http://vhfc.blogspot.com/2006/02/whats-so-special-about-allah.html - what's so special about Allah?

VHfc

Muslims need a sense of humor

Submitted by Lorna on Sun, 2006-02-05 07:42.

While reading over the previous comments, it became clear that the muslim writers are full of hate for everything that is not Muslim. Everyone else has a sense of toleration and is genuinely looking for understanding.
Lighten up you angry young men. Mohamed and Jesus are probably in bed smoking a joint laughing at all of you making a mountain out of a mole hill.
What is Man that he would understand anything about eternity?

To Muslims,

Submitted by mtk2006 on Sun, 2006-02-05 07:12.

If all you see in the west is bad, why do you stay?

When the temperature outside gets too cold, I go inside.

Why do you stay in or visit the west?

Jack...

Submitted by Lee on Sun, 2006-02-05 06:52.

I don't know the age of the imported Dutch guy. But what I know is that he is representative for the bunch that Europe should send back. As he posted something about Japan and China, I suggest to get him send to China. They know how to deal with people they regard as a danger to their non democratic system. Get hin in a court there and if the verdict is guilty he will be honoured with a neckshot, unless he has money, in which case he will be honoured ...hanging from a rope.

Cheers to Denmark.

To nermin and bashar

Submitted by mtk2006 on Sun, 2006-02-05 06:29.

It's all about the type of response relative to the offense.

The Religion of PEACE uses VIOLENCE when insulted. Does that not seem like a contradiction to you?

I remember something from Jesus, another prophet highly respected by Islam, that said something about "turning the other cheek". How do you explain how two prophets from Allah could have two significantly different messages?

Bottom Line:
We non-Muslims may get offended and boycott or burn flags or whatever but we do NOT kill because of being offended.

The Muslim protests and threats of suicide bombers/death threats are now nicely demonstrating where the cartoonist's idea of showing Mohammed with a bomb on his head originated from. I don't believe mankind had bombs back in the 7th century!

Or how would you explain where the cartoonist's could ever have gotten this idea?

When Muslims put the Prophet on a pedestal, they are engaging in idolatry. The point of monotheism is to worship one God, not one of God's emissaries. Which is why humility requires people of faith to mock themselves - and each other - every once in a while. The difference between Muslims and non-Muslims is that when Muslims are offended, THEY THREATEN TO KILL!

Please explain the Islamic teaching of reacting with violence to personal insult. Even when Mohammed has been insulted.

By the way, is it an insult to respectfully depict Allah in a picture?

Or how about Mohammed in a respectful a way?

I am sure the Quran must thoroughly explain the answers to these very important questions. So please feel free to give details.

As honorable Muslims that I know you must be, I am sure you will answer my questions.

Thank you!

Respectfully,
mtk2

If you don't like who and what you are ...

Submitted by Jack Straw on Sun, 2006-02-05 06:42.

If you don't like who and what you are, just go blow yourself up, Bashar.

Only, go do it somewhere away from the rest of us.

Good luck on the 72 virgins.

FOOL, do you realize how lucky you are not to be living under the Iranian mullahs?!

Oh yeah, you're blond, you're Dutch, you've got the freedom to act like an obnoxious little prick.

You're just a spoiled kid, posing, acting out your bad attitude.

I wish you could realize how freaking lucky you are to live in the West, where diverse opinions can be expressed, where people can disagree without blowing each other up.

What, are you about ... 14 or 15?

BOOK OF GUIDANCE

Submitted by SERVANT OF GOD on Sun, 2006-02-05 04:52.

"And if ye are in doubt As to what We have revealed From time to time to Our Servant, then produce a Surah Like thereunto: And call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, If your (doubts) are true.
"But if ye cannot-And of a surety you cannot-Then fear the Fire Whose fuel is Men and Stones-Which is prepared for those Who reject Faith."

Al-Quran 2:23-24)

To SERVANT OF GOD,

Submitted by mtk2006 on Sun, 2006-02-05 06:37.

"And if ye are in doubt As to what We have revealed From time to time to Our Servant, then produce a Surah Like thereunto: And call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, If your (doubts) are true.
"But if ye cannot-And of a surety you cannot-Then fear the Fire Whose fuel is Men and Stones-Which is prepared for those Who reject Faith."

Al-Quran 2:23-24)

Can you please explain what the above verse means to a devout and true Muslim?

Thank you.

Respectfully,
mtk2006

Cartoons and the Muslims

Submitted by hmercer34 on Sun, 2006-02-05 03:26.

I find it rather ironic that after the postings of these cartoons the Islams resorted to violence. How strange and unusaual. Although I do not think of Islam as a violent religion, I find that many in the mideastern world believe that violence is their right, in the name of their religion, how sad for all of the Islams around the world that practice this religion, peacefully. As a war was inflicted on us on 9-11 by some of the radical Islamists, it does not suprise me of the reaction, they can behead people in cold blood, but a cartoon offends them. I say go ahead and publish what you can, the truth is the truth!!!
Shrub

Freedom of Speech, Good Judgement and Bad Taste

Submitted by Darwin1800 on Sun, 2006-02-05 02:08.

Basher, my friend, we have freedom of speech but it should be moderated by good judgement. If you are offended by what someone says or writes: you can respond - but within the bounds of good taste. 

Your replies are as provocative as the comments you deplore.

There's no reason to be distasteful - even if someone else already is!

There are many Chinese people who would sympathise with you. No need to glory in death.
 

Obviously religion

Submitted by DanishDynamite on Sun, 2006-02-05 02:05.

Obviously religion influences culture to an extreme extent. The more religious the populace, the greater the influence of religion.

I think it's safe to assume that the Qur'an, or atleast the current interpretation of it, bears much of the blame for the actions of muslims. They can not claim islam is a peaceful religion, when it's obvious it's influence of them is anything but peaceful.

Islam is only peaceful as long as everyone bows down to its "superiority". Challenge it, how ever slightly, and peace flies out the window.

This is such a hypocritical

Submitted by DanishDynamite on Sun, 2006-02-05 01:45.

This is such a hypocritical farce.

Muslims are burning the Danish flag in protest, knowing full well it carries the cross, and thus insulting every christian in the world. Last time I checked, there were more than 2.5 billion christians... Now who's insulting who? The hypocrisy is obvious to everyone; you can't go about protesting a religious insult, by perpetrating a religious insult... Or maybe you can if you're muslim?

SMS messages urging people to meet for an "anti muslim demonstration with burning of the Qur'an" were reported, in Danish media, to be circulating. Nothing came of those messages though. No flags were burnt, no Qur'an was burnt...

You see muslims, Danes are civilized. We don't attack and burn down embassies based on rumours...

What I saw on TV today, with muslims going nuts and smashing furniture, simply reminded me of posturing apes... Smashing things into the ground in order to look and feel big...

Even Apes have right's

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Sun, 2006-02-05 01:56.

It was'nt a pretty sight - looking at the burning embassy's in Syria.

Monkey's in "Gods" free nature - are more civilized.

How do people get such manners - the Qur'an ? or do they just not know how to behave ?

hey ninja shit head

Submitted by bashar on Sun, 2006-02-05 01:44.

remind you how the japenese a small nation did fuck you chinese bad and they are nothing in population infrontt of china quantity is for ants MAU TSE TONG said so go shuffel a suchi up your asina momy pussy becuase the jap did you very badly

To: armyscout43

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Sun, 2006-02-05 01:40.

You forgot the flower-power movement in your Country .... "Make love not war".

Here in Denmark - we prefer to solve problems over several gallons of beer ;-)

Bashar

Submitted by Jack Straw on Sun, 2006-02-05 01:11.

If you are so fundamentally opposed to European values -- and obviously you are, at least as best I can understand your incoherent ranting -- then you shouldn't live there.

your problem

Submitted by bashar on Sun, 2006-02-05 01:22.

that i shold think like you other wise i do not belong to europpe you are doing worst than muslims you accuse them with
shall i imigrate to usa i am blond type blue eye fellow

To Bashar

Submitted by Slim shady on Sun, 2006-02-05 20:38.

Here's some information for you:

Denmark saved all of its Jewish citizens during the Second World War by getting them out of Denmark and into the neutral and safe Sweden.

Denmark was the country who sent the most soldiers to Bosnia to save the Muslims. Bill Clinton has made a big deal out of this and thanked the Danish people for its help. Something you would know, if you had read a book or followed the news once in a while.

Do you know, there's something called the UN? Do you know, there's something called NATO? Who the fuck do you think is a member of both, and fought in Bosnia with other members of the UN???

You little ignorant, don't you EVER tell me about Danish history.

to Slim shady

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-05 21:05.

ok it is fine of you that you danish peopel saved jews...taht i sfine of you..
but donot talk about bosnia because it was shame on europe to let what happened happened to bosnian and wait watching all thes time till that massacres killed all those and made graves still tobe discovered daily..
it was hame on europe not to interfer from start an d early enough to prevent killing o f those innocnet women and children .while we are in the 20 th century..and it is a europeab country and those are native people ...

Nermin

Submitted by Slim shady on Sun, 2006-02-05 21:15.

But we went, didn't we? We put our soldiers' lives at risk, didn't we?

And before you start pointing fingers, why didn't you go into Iraq, when the Kurds were slaughtered by Saddam? Where were you?

And now we're digging up bodies of Muslims killed by Saddam, and for 30 years you did nothing.

Milosovic is captured and standing trial. Where? Europe! You've saved no innocent children and women ever, and still you attack my country, who did go to Bosnia. SHAME ON YOU!

to slimshady from nermin

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-05 21:22.

and i didnot say we are right not to save kurds or others even those in bosnia.
i say atht muslims now liv ein their decline ages but you claim to be civlized countries and advanced too so what made you silent till all that massacres hapended.
in th epast during our golden days , a muslim women was insulted in far east was protected by the muslim ruler at that times personally.
her plea reached him when there was no mobile no media no anything....
but what delayed you mr advnaced who live in your golden ages now

Nermin

Submitted by Slim shady on Sun, 2006-02-05 21:28.

So why didn't you save them? You say you are compassionate, caring and peace-loving people.

Why? Because you're rascists when it comes to the Kurdish people. Not even Turkey, that wants to be a member of the EU so badly, can hide it.

to slimshady from nermin

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-05 21:42.

are you ignoring what i say or you are fool or what.here again what i said above..
by the way saldin was kurdish and we donot hav einisalm anything like any discrimination like you used to do.the prophet said there no differnace between an arab and non arab excpet in pious.no differnace between black and white or any ethnic groups in islam..to you rknwldage ,arabs are only 18% of muslim population which are present wordwide and belong to all ethnic groups...and i didnot say we are right not to save kurds or others even those in bosnia.
i say atht muslims now liv ein their decline ages but you claim to be civlized countries and advanced too so what made you silent till all that massacres hapended.
in th epast during our golden days , a muslim women was insulted in far east was protected by the muslim ruler at that times personally.
her plea reached him when there was no mobile no media no anything....
but what delayed you mr advnaced who live in your golden ages now

Bashar -- his own words -- from his own profile

Submitted by Jack Straw on Sun, 2006-02-05 01:34.

Here's what this brilliant Renaissance Man has to say -- I'm now quoting his profile in its entirety:

"asshole you shit europpen" (sic)

There you have it.

So, Europe and Europeans:

Stand up to the Islamo-Fascists!

Do not be ashamed to be masters in your own house.

If Europe doesn't adhere to and defend its own civic and cultural values, someone else is ready and eager to take over and be your masters.

In America, we have our own problems with Christianist bigots.

Don't let the Islamo-Fascists dictate how you may live in your own house!

Just as Christians and Jews in Islamic countries must behave according to Islamic laws and customs, Moslems should respect European values in Europe.

There is nothing else that can legitimately be said about this, though I'm sure there's a non-European anus out there who will have something else illiterate to say.

Cowardly Politicians

Submitted by Deep Keel on Sun, 2006-02-05 00:30.

The recent actions of cowardly politicians in the US, UK, Poland, and others show exactly why it was necessary to publish these cartoons.  We can not appease murdering Islamist thugs and retain our freedom.  The publishing of these cartoons was a protest against increasing Muslim threats and violence in the West. More threats and violence will bring even more opposition and criticism from the West.

Respect for whom - a comment from a dane !

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Sat, 2006-02-04 23:50.

Many muslims are talking about respect for their religion - because of 12 harmles drawings in a danish newspaper. Because of 12 drawings - many muslims are feeling offended.

Well some of the drawings - are not drawings of Muhamed, but drawings of members of the danish parlement. So who should be offended ? Even the danish imams - should know - that several of the persons in the drawings, are drawings of public persons in Denmark.

Danish imams are still feeding Arab papers with their lies. The Saudi Gazette quotes the Danish imam Raed Hlayhel for saying, "Every day pictures and articles are printed, which are even more serious and dangerous than those that were printed in September. During the past 3 months - we havent seen any cartoons of muhamed in the printed press in Denmark.

The only one in Denmark - who are showing those drawings - are "The Danish Islamic Community" who have travelled the Middle East with false Mohammed drawings, which are far worse and far more blasphemous than anything ever published in a Danish newspaper.These drawings appeared on the BBC, where imam Abu Bashar was showing the false drawings to official representatives from the Arabic League

The media in the muslim world and the media in UK and USA (f.ex CNN) has chosen to not show the real 12 cartoons in respect for Islam. Nice going, They won't show the 12 relatively innocent drawings - in respect for Islam - but they *will* show several minutes video of fanatic Muslims burning Danish flags, burning pictures of the danish Prime Minister and now The Danish embassy in Syria - in respect for whom.

Should we danes - also walk in the streets, yalling "death over ..." burn flags, pictures in disrespect for other countries and people. I don't think so. Maybe the muslims all over the world - should think, before they act !

hi danish ffrom spain

Submitted by halleluya on Sun, 2006-02-05 00:10.

we are all danish these days and support you
the best you can do is expulse all those imans and mullahs to their countries,
there they kill them,do us a favor and deport them.
those people are against denmark
saludos

Cartoons

Submitted by culandun on Fri, 2006-02-10 20:42.

I think that in future, the prophet should be represented by the image of a hedgehog.

final solucion halleluya

Submitted by bashar on Sun, 2006-02-05 00:42.

do with these imam like hitler did with the jew the final solucion yes you feel better always the german nazi blood hitler left in your sorry motheres sisters is ticking better than deportation problem will be solved quicly

Hey Spain

Submitted by Slim shady on Sun, 2006-02-05 00:21.

Ha ha, even though you beat us in semifinal handball. I'll cheer for you tomorrow.

why you are upset about your flag

Submitted by bashar on Sun, 2006-02-05 00:03.

we have the right to burn it even in denmark why now suddely you do not take that as a funny jock remember freedom of speech and in syria is freedom of act go out of the arabic peninsula at least accept my comments as funny comments but you see sir how does it hirt it hirt you burning the flag well it hirt us these funny danish style cartoons

Bashar's comments

Submitted by Jack Straw on Sun, 2006-02-05 00:26.

Check out Bashar's profile, and you can see where he's really coming from.

It seems to me that there is no logical reason why Moslems should be entitled to enforce Moslem rules of conduct and decorum outside of Moslem territories.

Certainly Christians and Jews are not free to speak out against Islam in Moslem countries.

The price for being a welcome guest is to live according to the rules of the society in which you are a VISITOR.

To respect your host's values, including their freedom of speech, even if you don't like what they say.

After all, you have your own countries to go home to.

The freedom that Muslims presently enjoy in Europe is far greater than the freedom non-Muslims enjoy in Muslim countries.

Think about it.

Jack Straw
Memphis, Tennessee

mr jack straw

Submitted by bashar on Sun, 2006-02-05 00:39.

i am ducth citizen born and die dutch

do not judge befor knowing people becuase i have a persian name you tought i am arabic or iranian you see how ignorant you are i am proudly ducth.....or a ducth citizen can not say that....tell me

Bashar

Submitted by Jack Straw on Sun, 2006-02-05 00:59.

So you're Dutch?

One of the Dutch who is proud of the murder of Theo van Gogh by Islamists?

Have you noticed that your views are not held by a majority of your fellow Dutch citizens?

Why do you feel entitled, because you are a Muslim, to violate the rights of other Dutch citizens?

From which culture do you draw your tradition of supporting murder and mayhem, Bashar?

Maybe you should try a little harder to be Dutch.

I've never known the Dutch to be partial to random violence and the murder of innocents.

enlightening

Submitted by whosez on Sun, 2006-02-05 02:51.

Bashar is exactly what reasonable Muslims are afraid of: being viewed in the same light that Bashar has cast himself. That of being viewed as fanatic, irrational, hatred-spewing bigots against anything and everything not Muslim. It is hard to believe that all Muslims are so wildly defensive and paranoid of others' thoughts, words, pictures. Bashar, free speech would do you a lot of good if you could stand to hear it from anyone else's lips. Free speech does not mean that ONLY ONE PERSON gets to say whatever they want no matter how hateful, defamatory or illogical it may be. If you dish it out, better be ready to take it. I haven't seen the cartoons that are ticking you off, but I have seen photos of thousands of Muslims carrying placards advocating beheading people over them. Those people are screaming and yelling, burning, looting, injuring property and people when absolutely no harm was done to them by those cartoons. Then, of course, there are the videos so generously supplied by people advocating Islam, that show beheadings and executions of innocent people--not even soldiers--all for the glory of your God. I wonder if he's pleased? Mine wouldn't be.

you are sorry ignorant ass

Submitted by bashar on Sun, 2006-02-05 01:08.

where did you saw in my face or expressionthat i was ok with theo murder
why you still judge that is the problem you generalize all the same....why than do not asay the german all nazi