You have made your point forecefully and appropriately, but you went too far in paraphrasing Jacques Chirac (telling East Europeans to shut up).
I believe it was wrong for Chirac to tell East Europeans to shut up, and I think it equally wrong for you to tell the ambassador to shut up. Here is why.
A major reason why Pakistani (and muslim) culture is in bad shape is precisely that its elites do not speak up and hold up proper values for the masses. In an ideal world, the Pakistani ambassador (clearly part of the elite) would have been embarrassed by the barbaric behavior of Pakistani crowds at home in Pakistan. In such a world she would have apologised to her Danish hosts instead of admonishing Danish media.
I could understand if the Ambassador would have shut up of her own volition, given the world of intimidation that she knows. I can also understand that she speaks out the way she did, either on orders of her foreign ministry superiors or because she is trying to appease islamist forces at home. But I would not advise her to "shut up". I would urge her to speak out and do the decent thing, i.e. condemn wanton violence against 'innocent' Danish individuals and/or businesses.
Notice how the Muslims never never take the blame for their actions? It is always the "infidels" fault. Riots in the streets? "Infidel" is to blame for they "insulted" Islam. Say Mohammad is a violent barbarian, which is true, they go on a violent rampage. Again "Infidel" is to blame for they "dissed" Mohammad. Editor, film producer, author, or book publisher killed by someone of the "Peaceful Religion", well it is the "Infidel's" fault once again!!! Threats, Intimidation, Violence, Coercion, and Submission, this is the "gospel" of Islam!
For the life of me, I just can't understand liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists. A Christian wants to say a prayer in school or mention the name of Jesus and the liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists, go on a more subtle rampage themselves saying that religion, the Christian religion, has no place in the public arena, schools, and/or government. Yet they will just fawn over Islam, seeing that it is taught and spoken of in public arenas, schools, and/or government. They will promote it as an equally valid culture. Liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists will tell you that they HATE fascism, but they are having a "love affair" with one of the greatest fascist political and religious ideologies in the world today that is spreading throughout the world like a putrid cancer, i.e. Islam.
The only way I can understand this dhimmi "fascination" of the liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists with Islam, is that they and Islam have the same father, i.e. Satan, who comes to kill, steal, and destroy. Liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists, you mind think would be the first and biggest defenders of Free Speech, but in reality they are the ones who seek to stifle Free Speech under the guise of calling everything they find objectionable as "hate speech". Without "hate speech", there is NO FREE SPEECH! Freedom is rare in this world and the liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists, along with Islam, are seeking to make Freedom rarer.
I hope your country is satisfied with what your people have done to the Danish embassy and to your own people who were killed in the blast.
Mme Ambassador, I hope you are safe in your embassy in Copenhagen in the middle of a well educated, reasonable, christian population. You should be able to survive this tenure, which is less certain of the Danish diplomats in muslim countries, surrounded by illiterate, madrassa trained, salafist financed idiots. I know Mme. Ambassador that you wouldn't mingle yourself with those fanatics in your own country, you wouldn't even look at them, would you?
How many armed guards do you have at home in DHA or in Islamabad for your and your family's protection???
Mme Ambassador, I normally defend intelligent muslims against any general condemnation, but in your case, I must admit that you missed an excellent opportunity to keep your mouth shut.
Bravo, but...
Submitted by marcfrans on Fri, 2008-06-06 22:55.
@ Traveller
You have made your point forecefully and appropriately, but you went too far in paraphrasing Jacques Chirac (telling East Europeans to shut up).
I believe it was wrong for Chirac to tell East Europeans to shut up, and I think it equally wrong for you to tell the ambassador to shut up. Here is why.
A major reason why Pakistani (and muslim) culture is in bad shape is precisely that its elites do not speak up and hold up proper values for the masses. In an ideal world, the Pakistani ambassador (clearly part of the elite) would have been embarrassed by the barbaric behavior of Pakistani crowds at home in Pakistan. In such a world she would have apologised to her Danish hosts instead of admonishing Danish media.
I could understand if the Ambassador would have shut up of her own volition, given the world of intimidation that she knows. I can also understand that she speaks out the way she did, either on orders of her foreign ministry superiors or because she is trying to appease islamist forces at home. But I would not advise her to "shut up". I would urge her to speak out and do the decent thing, i.e. condemn wanton violence against 'innocent' Danish individuals and/or businesses.
@ marcfrans
Submitted by traveller on Sat, 2008-06-07 09:33.
That is correct of course, with your added accurate twist.
Always the VICTIMS fault...
Submitted by FLLegal on Thu, 2008-06-05 14:19.
Notice how the Muslims never never take the blame for their actions? It is always the "infidels" fault. Riots in the streets? "Infidel" is to blame for they "insulted" Islam. Say Mohammad is a violent barbarian, which is true, they go on a violent rampage. Again "Infidel" is to blame for they "dissed" Mohammad. Editor, film producer, author, or book publisher killed by someone of the "Peaceful Religion", well it is the "Infidel's" fault once again!!! Threats, Intimidation, Violence, Coercion, and Submission, this is the "gospel" of Islam!
For the life of me, I just can't understand liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists. A Christian wants to say a prayer in school or mention the name of Jesus and the liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists, go on a more subtle rampage themselves saying that religion, the Christian religion, has no place in the public arena, schools, and/or government. Yet they will just fawn over Islam, seeing that it is taught and spoken of in public arenas, schools, and/or government. They will promote it as an equally valid culture. Liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists will tell you that they HATE fascism, but they are having a "love affair" with one of the greatest fascist political and religious ideologies in the world today that is spreading throughout the world like a putrid cancer, i.e. Islam.
The only way I can understand this dhimmi "fascination" of the liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists with Islam, is that they and Islam have the same father, i.e. Satan, who comes to kill, steal, and destroy. Liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists, you mind think would be the first and biggest defenders of Free Speech, but in reality they are the ones who seek to stifle Free Speech under the guise of calling everything they find objectionable as "hate speech". Without "hate speech", there is NO FREE SPEECH! Freedom is rare in this world and the liberal, leftists, multi-culturalists, and/or socialists, along with Islam, are seeking to make Freedom rarer.
Amen traveller...Amen!
@ Mme Ambassador
Submitted by traveller on Thu, 2008-06-05 10:16.
I hope your country is satisfied with what your people have done to the Danish embassy and to your own people who were killed in the blast.
Mme Ambassador, I hope you are safe in your embassy in Copenhagen in the middle of a well educated, reasonable, christian population. You should be able to survive this tenure, which is less certain of the Danish diplomats in muslim countries, surrounded by illiterate, madrassa trained, salafist financed idiots. I know Mme. Ambassador that you wouldn't mingle yourself with those fanatics in your own country, you wouldn't even look at them, would you?
How many armed guards do you have at home in DHA or in Islamabad for your and your family's protection???
Mme Ambassador, I normally defend intelligent muslims against any general condemnation, but in your case, I must admit that you missed an excellent opportunity to keep your mouth shut.
To Traveller
Submitted by cephran on Thu, 2008-06-05 13:19.
Bravo!