Racist Underbelly
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Sun, 2007-11-04 14:32
A quote from The Sunday Telegraph, 4 November 2007
A Conservative parliamentary candidate has been summoned to meet the Tory Party chairwoman after praising Enoch Powell's infamous "rivers of blood" speech. Nigel Hastilow, the Conservative candidate in the key Midlands seat of Halesowen and Rowley Regis, wrote in a newspaper column that Mr Powell's warnings about uncontrolled immigration were right.
Peter Hain, the Work and Pensions Secretary, said that Mr Hastliow's comments exposed the "racist underbelly" in the Conservative Party. In a column for the Express and Star newspaper in Wolverhampton, Mr Hastilow wrote: "[…] of blood' speech, warning that uncontrolled immigration would change our country irrevocably. He was right. It has changed dramatically."
He also wrote: "They have more or less given up complaining about the way we roll out the red carpet for foreigners while leaving the locals to fend for themselves."
Mr Hain told BBC1's Andrew Marr Show that the Tories should "get rid" of Mr Hastilow to show that "racism, along with Enoch Powell, is banished to the past". […] George Osborne, the [Conservative] shadow chancellor, said he didn't agree with the candidate's comments. He told the BBC that Mr Hastilow had been called into an urgent meeting with Caroline Spelman, the party chairwoman, in order "to explain himself".
Racism?
Submitted by RealCanadian on Thu, 2007-11-08 18:03.
The reason i used fish in a confined area like an aquarium is that they become threatened by different fish. Crawdad i have had African and South American Cichlids,Piranha,fresh water Barracuda,but none of the fish you mentioned as their docile and not playful. All fish are beautiful but,,,,when mixed and maybe even overcrowded can and will kill each other.Thats the human race right now.
If some of the black leaders or idols inspired their people to do better rather than 'dont take dat shit from whitey' then me and my 'racist' attitude wouldnt be here now.
If dumb white people would come out of the white guilt trance their in then again,i wouldnt be here.
If everyone would be responsible for their actions then none of us would be here.
Racist is a meaningless word.
Submitted by RealCanadian on Thu, 2007-11-08 11:50.
All animals are racist, as we are. By these third world religious radical sub-human's coming to our (once) civilized corner has not only upset its stability, but caused huge tension. Of the 800 Iraqi's going to Sweden every month does anybody really think this will add to Swedish culture or make it a better place to live? I can remember when my Canada was a friendly place and people said 'good morning' and felt safe to walk home at night. Thanks to bringing all the wrong people from the wrong places this is a way of the past. Would anyone like to deny Black crime in America or Canada. Acording to people in this Baltic state capital city i live in now theres never been an armed robbery,home invasion or car jacking. Theres NO Blacks here either. Coincidence? The truth of it is these people shouldnt be here and what Powell said was true.
Beware! Those suspiciously colored worms...
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Wed, 2007-11-07 22:05.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30682
@atheling
Submitted by RealCanadian on Wed, 2007-11-07 21:07.
Ive had fish for years and i've watched smaller and more aggressive fish peck and kill much bigger fish. The reason 1 breed of fish is threatened by another is colour, which is the same natural reaction we as humans have. If you knew anything about fish you'd know that you cant overcrowd a tank, especially with different breeds. Whats the difference between fish and humans is nothing.
I lived in North America where were brainwashed to believe 'all men are created equal', and in England where immigration has ruined it. Now in Eastern Europe, 1 kind of people with the same religion which comes down to much less problems in society.In fact there is no crime as we know it.
Enoch Powell said out load what all of us know, and now its coming true. So if you want to live in denial let it be, but when your daughter brings home a black man you will hear the siren in you pc head go off.
The topic here is what Powell said, not fish. I suggest you buy a tank and put 1 little African cicilids and a big fish of your choice. Dont spend too much on the second one as he'll be floating the first morning.
@RealCanadian
Submitted by atheling on Wed, 2007-11-07 22:26.
"I lived in North America where were brainwashed to believe 'all men are created equal', and in England where immigration has ruined it."
So, are you saying that some persons are "inferior" to others? That some persons who may not have the same skin color are not "as human" as others? You are treading on dangerous ground here.
Your calling me "politically correct" is laughable. Just because I believe that God created all human beings equal in terms of inherent rights and dignity doesn't make me politically correct. It makes me a Christian.
I do not, however, believe that all cultures are equal. I believe that some cultures are superior to others, and that's why I'm grateful that I'm an American living in America today.
And how do you know whether or not I'm black or white or red or yellow?
You really are a piece of work. I'm beginning to see why LGF calls the BJ "racist". Unfortunately it is becoming a magnet for white supremacists.
Well if ya wanna argue.
Submitted by RealCanadian on Wed, 2007-11-07 17:19.
If you had a fish tank you'd know size has nothing to do with why fish, or we eat each other. We are animals, and our instinct to survive is natural. When an animal of a different breed moves into the neighbourhood we react,as Mr. Powell was trying to point out.
If you dont believe me come out of your ivory tower and visit us poor white folks living with the savages.
"wanna argue"? Not really, but...
Submitted by crawdad on Wed, 2007-11-07 21:24.
If you had a fish tank you'd know size has nothing to do with why fish, or we eat each other.
Dude. Get serious.
I've had aquaria most of my life, and can tell you with GREAT certainty that if your fish are eating each other then you are doing something drastically wrong. Google the phrase "community tank" if you are actually interested. MOST fish get along just fine.
You're correct about one thing though - the determining factor is not simply size - it is MOUTH size. Platys, mollies, guppies, loaches, angelfish, small-mouth cats, barbs, tetras, danios etc. etc. all get along just fine. If you put betas or Jack Dempseys in your community tank, then yes, the result will be wellfed betas or Dempseys. If you bother to know what you're doing, though, you'll have no such problem.
Attempting to attribute family-, tribe- or species-loyalty to aquarium fish is simply an horrificly bad argument.
We are animals, and our instinct to survive is natural. When an animal of a different breed moves into the neighbourhood we react,as Mr. Powell was trying to point out.
Animals do nothing of the kind. Predators and prey live side-by-side in nature. Animals will generally only directly compete for territory with others of their own species.
If you dont believe me come out of your ivory tower and visit us poor white folks living with the savages.
Ivory tower? That's just stupidly and pointlessly offensive, to say nothing of just flat-out wrong.
FWIW, I have at times lived in places where I have been the only white person for several blocks. I have lived in several cities where white people are the minority, and know first-hand what it is like to be discriminated against because of my skin-color.
However, your "poor white folk living with the savages" comment is quite disgusting and says a lot about you, all of it unflattering.
Trying to claim (wrongly) that animals are racist as some sort of justification for racism on the part of humans is just mind-blowingly wrong and poorly thought out.
Seriously. The socialist anti-white MuKu agenda is real and destructive and wrong, but if you wanna argue against it you've gotta do a LOT better than this.
@crawdad
Submitted by Armor on Wed, 2007-11-07 22:25.
So, what you are saying is that third-world immigration does not systematically create violence and hostile environments for the Whites? Immigration is swell? Then, how come we have problems everywhere?
@Armor:
Submitted by crawdad on Wed, 2007-11-07 22:54.
Try reading what I actually wrote rather than putting bogus words into my mouth.
What part of "The socialist anti-white MuKu agenda is real and destructive and wrong [...]" did you not understand?
My biggest problem with the "Rivers of Blood" speech, aside from some unfortunate phraseology, is the bit right at the end where it is implied that the situation in America is worse than the situation on the other side of the Puddle. While there ARE certainly race problems in the U.S., the "rampaging mob burning and looting" seems a LOT more common in Europe than over here.
And FWIW, the problem is not 3RD-WORLD immigration, but rather MASS immigration.
It is frankly improper to be overly concerned with an immigrant's nation of origin, so long as they have a genuine desire to become loyal and fully-assimilated citizens of their new home.
The PROBLEM is when huge numbers come in and hold themselves separate, refusing to integrate, rejecting the customs and mores of their host-nation. THAT is what needs to be stopped.
In reply to Crawdad
Submitted by Armor on Thu, 2007-11-08 00:00.
"The socialist anti-white MuKu agenda"
Who's MuKu?
"it is implied that the situation in America is worse than the situation on the other side of the Puddle""
It was true in 1968 when he made his speech.
"It is frankly improper to be overly concerned with an immigrant's nation of origin, "
If immigrants to France came from Sweden (or even China), they would not commit gang rapes or burn cars. Although it may be "improper" (?), it is a fact that most Europeans do not want any third-world immigration. What do you do when a girl lets you know she is not interested in you? do you force yourself on her?
"so long as they have a genuine desire to become loyal and fully-assimilated citizens of their new home."
But in the real world, no immigrant wants to forget his own identity. Besides, they are not wanted.
"The PROBLEM is when huge numbers come in and hold themselves separate, "
Not true. Very often, just one African or Arab pupil in a European classroom is enough to disrupt the lessons. I think that disseminating non whites among the whites would actually increase the violence. What keeps the crime rate down is the phenomenon known as "white flight". Besides, most immigrants are probably happier living in their own communities. In the near future, the Whites are scheduled to become minorities in the USA and in the big cities of Western Europe. How do you plan to force the integration of immigrants into a white society that no longer exists?
"refusing to integrate, rejecting the customs and mores of their host-nation. THAT is what needs to be stopped."
That is you opinion. But most people think what needs to be stopped is immigration. I wonder what methods you propose to use to destroy the immigrants' identities. A non-European is aware that he is not European. This is where the racial animus comes from. Even if he's lost his culture, he will try to find something as a substitute, like islam, or like the rap "culture".
Back to you, Armor
Submitted by crawdad on Thu, 2007-11-08 05:19.
It's a pretty common shorthand in german-language discussions of the topic.
On the other hand, there was a large immigration of Vietnamese (pretty legitimately designated as 3rd world) in the 70s, and the vast majority of them went out of their way to assimilate into U.S. society and had a pretty smooth transition as such things go.
Trying to ascribe such hatred and animus as an artifact of race is pretty ludicrous.
Just look at Belgium - the Flemish and Walloons are enmeshed in a deep hatred-based near-war against each other, but racially there isn't any difference between them.
I don't usually buy into the "American Exceptionalism" concept, but I swear to God this topic sometimes feels like trying to describe "blue" to someone who has been blind from birth.
I DO understand that race enters into the concept of European identity (and most of the world, for that matter) far more than in the U.S.A., but it really does seem that some folks use that as a lazy shortcut to excuse some really vile behavior.
Ethnic consciousness is NOT the same thing as racism.
The U.K. used to be a good example of this till they started accepting too many too fast and stopped demanding new arrivals to conform to their established norms.
vibrant society
Submitted by Armor on Thu, 2007-11-08 15:23.
"Me, personally - I wouldn't go where I'm not wanted and if I found that I was not welcome in the nation that granted me admittance I'd get the hell out post-haste. Of course, I'd also be inclined to think of that place as inhabited by a bunch of racist pricks. But from my experience I'm pretty sure you do NOT speak for anything like the actual majority of Europeans."
It isn't just Europeans, in fact, I speak for most people on planet Earth. You should realize that the entire planet is populated by a bunch of racist pricks like me, except for a small crazy leftist minority of high-minded people like you. And the more you behave like irresponsible idiots, the more high-minded you think you are.
If you'd like to know what people think, start by asking your family and neighbors. You can also google: immigration + opinion polls
"destroy the immigrants' identities? Do you listen to yourself?"
What I'm saying is that YOU want to destroy the immigrants's identities.
Trying to "assimilate" the immigrants = trying to destroy their own identities.
Unless you can have several identities at the same time: Haitian in the morning, Chinese in the afternoon, American in the evening ?
"Armor: A non-European is aware that he is not European. This is where the racial animus comes from.
Crawdad: Um... only if he wants to actively join in society yet is constantly ostracized by racists. If he is constantly reminded of his outsider status, not allowed to participate in society, then yes, there will be problems. But if those who wish to are allowed to join the club in good faith, welcomed rather than shunned or rejected, you'd be amazed at how well it can actually work out."
I think if ugly ostracizers like me had managed to prevent mass-immigration, there would not be a problem now. The idea that immigrants become violent because I don't love them enough is ludicrous. If I was made to feel unwelcome in China or Africa, I would not turn violent.
"Trying to ascribe such hatred and animus as an artifact of race is pretty ludicrous."
It doesn't really matter to me why immigrants cause violence. I just like to speculate. I think that Europeans and East Asians are simply less naturally violent than other people. But I think that violent attacks by immigrants on Europeans has also a lot to do with racial animus. The victims of racist violence are the Whites.
"Just look at Belgium - the Flemish and Walloons are enmeshed in a deep hatred-based near-war against each other, but racially there isn't any difference between them."
There isn't a deep hatred between the Flemish and Walloons. There are only a set of grievances. Flemish nationalists hate the Belgian system, but not people.
--
And now, please explain why you want immigration to continue !
Because you want a more vibrant society ?
further thoughts on race and immigration
Submitted by Armor on Thu, 2007-11-08 16:43.
A contradiction
How can you claim that Europeans are racist but in favor of immigration?
If most Europeans love immigrants and immigration, why would any immigrant complain of European racism, and of not being loved properly? Do you think that a tiny minority of racists is enough to make immigrants feel unwelcome and turn to violence as a result?
Another contradiction
I already asked the question on another thread. What is the point of bringing immigrants to Europe if we ask them to assimilate? Why not allow them to remain themselves? If not, why not raise our own children?
Rapes
I think that rape is usually caused by a sexual impulse and a lack of concern for the victim. But in the case of gang rapes committed by immigrants against white girls, it is hard not to see it as a form of racial violence directed at the Whites.
Ditto
Submitted by atheling on Wed, 2007-11-07 23:23.
"And FWIW, the problem is not 3RD-WORLD immigration, but rather MASS immigration.
It is frankly improper to be overly concerned with an immigrant's nation of origin, so long as they have a genuine desire to become loyal and fully-assimilated citizens of their new home.
The PROBLEM is when huge numbers come in and hold themselves separate, refusing to integrate, rejecting the customs and mores of their host-nation. THAT is what needs to be stopped."
AMEN to that, crawdad! You hit the nail on the head.
@Real Canadian
Submitted by atheling on Wed, 2007-11-07 19:20.
I don't live in an ivory tower, and you must be joking if you don't realize that what fish eat does depend on size. I can't believe we are debating this issue.
Anyway, it's true that human nature (like animal nature) has that reaction to anything outside the familiar. However, not all that is unfamiliar is bad, and not all that is familiar is good.
I agree with many people's concerns that we have runaway immigration and that we are not demanding the full assimilation of immigrants into our society. I am speaking as an American, not as a European, not as a Canadian, etc...
It appears that for some Europeans here, the issue is not culture, but skin color or race. As an American, that's not an issue. We demand that anyone who comes here should fully become an American, no matter where he comes from. I guess that's a contributing factor to the vast gulf between Europe and America.
@Atheling
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Wed, 2007-11-07 16:57.
When RealCanadian suggests that I might be one of 'the chosen',I don't think he's referring to the fact that I am a Christian,do you?
btw
Isn't it good to see that Armor has found a new buddy?
;-))
@Armor
Submitted by RealCanadian on Wed, 2007-11-07 16:02.
Cheers Armor but im here to comment on articles written, not argue with other members. Atlantic might be one of 'the chosen' which would explain his insults at a dumb Goy like me.
Mr Powell was right and im a racist,that much i know.
ok then RealCanad???
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Wed, 2007-11-07 15:56.
1 The word is DRIVEL.
2 I trust and pray that you are a person who keeps their promise.
3 But don't worry,if you're not,I'll be the first to remind you.
Ok then Atlantic???
Submitted by RealCanadian on Wed, 2007-11-07 15:38.
Why you chose to attack what i said im not clear on,but thats your choice. Im not trying to be a prophet as you seem to have that cornered o wise one. You link to this child diddler makes as much sense as you do, keep puffin'!
I wont respond to any more of your dribble.
@RealCanadian #1
Submitted by Armor on Wed, 2007-11-07 15:47.
If Atlanticist is pestering you,
don't hesitate to be rough with him.
It takes gruff men to calm down an atlanticist !
@RealCanadian #2
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Wed, 2007-11-07 15:00.
7 I don't breed fish or live in a zoo
8 I am not an advocate for the multi-culti ethos.
9 I don't consider you the next prophet
10 Hence,the ridicule.
Goodbye.
@Real Canadian
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Wed, 2007-11-07 14:11.
Comments:
1 I don't smoke pot
2 I didn't write the poetry
3 You didn't do your homework or you'd already know this
4 You appear to be unfamiliar with the name Khahlil Gibran,who he was etc
5 Consequently,the name Kehlog Albran will be completely beyond your
comprehension.
6 Funny you should mention fish...
http://rsidd.online.fr/profit/index.html
It's not rocket science is it?
Submitted by RealCanadian on Wed, 2007-11-07 13:40.
Anyone who's had a fish tank knows if you put fish of different breeds in the same tank,they'll eat each other. What would happen if you mixed the animals in a zoo? It doenst take a brilliant mind to see disaster of this multi-cultural pipe dream.
Thanks for your comments on a sad world but smokin' too much pot will make you write stupid poems.
@RealCanadian
Submitted by atheling on Wed, 2007-11-07 16:42.
There is a difference between man and animals: man has reason and is not entirely driven by instinct.
Secondly, I think Christianity is the force with which people of different cultures can harmonize.
If you're not a Christian, I guess you wouldn't understand...
... and quit picking on Atlanticist.
It's not aquaculture either, apparently.
Submitted by crawdad on Wed, 2007-11-07 16:42.
Um, RealCanadian -
Anyone who's had an aquarium knows that while there are SOME kinds of fish that cannot get along with others due to inherent aggressiveness, by and large the rule of mixing is SIZE not breed.
Big fish eat little fish regardless of species, and parents will readily eat their children unless they can hide (general rule, there are exceptions).
Further, there are few things more boring than an aquarium with only one kind of fish in it.
Pisciculture is in no way a suitable metaphor for nationality, immigration, diversity, or any other aspect of human behavior or politics.
While the MuKu regime is indeed harmful, there are no lessons to be learned by such a false comparison.
Re: Sad World #2
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Tue, 2007-11-06 18:11.
A woman asked (the same wise man),
Which way does the Wind Blow?
And he said:
The Wind is invisible but strong like Vodka or bad breath.
The Wind is a friend.
The Wind is an enemy.
The Wind is neutral,like Canada (or was it Switzerland?).
Sometimes the Wind will blow down a tree.
Other times it won't.
There is no telling with the Wind.
Which way will the Wind blow tomorrow,the woman persisted.
He answered:
The Wind is free and unpredictable,like a bird.It is impossible to guess which way it will blow.
She who would ask such a question would be a fool,and he who would attempt to answer it,a greater fool.
I understand,the woman said,but which way will it blow?
North,he replied.
Re: Sad World
Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Tue, 2007-11-06 17:41.
As a wise man once said, "The world as seen through the window of an insane asylum is the same world as seen from the window of a dentist's office".
Sad world.
Submitted by RealCanadian on Tue, 2007-11-06 13:54.
Ive only answered questions in this world recently enough to know theres a great power hiding and using white politicians as puppets. I suspect they were always there and will always be as the west supports their illegal state in the dessert. I wonder if Mr. Powell was pointing the finger at the same crew? To watch the destruction of my people by my people themselves as though brainwashed to believe 'all men were created equal' is tiring. I appreciate what pet85022 said as the planned outcome and for that reason no longer live in the west. God bless all the stupid white people.
Sad World, or missed meds?
Submitted by crawdad on Tue, 2007-11-06 16:40.
Waiter, there's a great power hiding in my pudding!
(Cue Twilight Zone themesong)
the sun slowly sets on the west
Submitted by pet85022 on Mon, 2007-11-05 20:30.
What the "rivers of blood" speech unquestionably shows is that we are in the decline and fall of western civilization. Only whites can be racists. Blacks breaking the windows, excreta pushed through her letterbox, if she rents to a negro they destroy the apartment, if she refuses to rent to them she has a racial prejudice. The Negroes on the other hand are free to terrorize this woman. Slowly but surely the fabric of society is being destroyed be the government and the educational elite. Soon there will be no countries only waring tribes, 200 or 300 years from now a space ship from another galaxy might arrive and its crew members will look upon the great cities and monuments of this planet and wonder how these primitive tribes ever built them. The progress of mankind will come to a grinding halt. How many arabs invented a vaccine against small pox, polio or TB? How many africans invented the internal combustion engine? How many indians invented TV or the radio? All came from the west. Virtually all inventions from the 19th century on that came from 3rd world countries were aided by the west mostly through western education. All of this will soon be lost and the world will be one big tribal disaster.
Powell Was Ahead Of His Time
Submitted by Arty on Mon, 2007-11-05 03:15.
I read Powell's speech quite a few years ago. Back then I thought his predictions were improbable. What did I know as a twenty somethingish liberal?
Resigned
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2007-11-05 01:51.
Hastilow has resigned.
The Road to National Suicide Immigration, The Public Interest ..
Submitted by Bert Rustle on Sun, 2007-11-04 22:10.
You may be interested to know that the Guardian CIF apparently has the speech given by the Rt. Hon. J. Enoch Powell, MP, to a meeting of the Stretford Young Conservatives at the Civic Theatre, Stretford, Manchester at 8pm, Friday, 21 January 1977. http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_goodhart/2006/10/secularisms_w... “The Road to National Suicide Immigration, The Public Interest And The 'Uniform of Color'“.
... Throughout the last twenty years, locally at first, then nationally, one political subject has been different from all the rest in the persistence with which it has endured and the profound and absorbing preoccupation which it has increasingly held for the public. This is all the more remarkable because of the sedulous determination with which this subject has been kept, as far as possible, out of parliamentary debate, and the use which has been made of every device�from legal penalty to trade union proscription�to prevent the open discussion and ventilation of it. No social or political penalty, no threat of private ostracism or public violence, has been spared against those who have nevertheless continued to describe what hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens daily saw and experienced and to voice the fears for the future by which those fellow citizens were haunted. The efforts that were made during the 1930s to silence, ridicule, or denounce those who warned of the coming war with the fascist dictatorships and who called for the peril to be recognized and met before too late, provide but a pale and imperfect precedent.
In all this suppression more than one powerful motive can be seen at work. On the one hand there is the primitive but widespread superstition that if danger is not mentioned, it will go away, or even that it is created by being identified and can therefore be destroyed again by being left in silence. Akin to this is the natural resentment of ordinary people, but especially of politicians, at being forced to face an appalling prospect with no readily procurable happy ending. The custom of killing messengers who bring bad news is not confined to the kings and tyrants of antiquity or of fiction. On the other hand there are at work the dark motives of those who desire the catastrophic outcome which they foresee. All round the world in various forms the same formula for rending societies apart is being prepared and applied, by ignorance or design, and there are those who are determined to see to it that Britain shall no longer be able to escape. I marvel sometimes that people should be so innocently blind to this nihilism. ...
One-track ponies
Submitted by marcfrans on Sun, 2007-11-04 21:21.
Maybe, Bob Dooney can now begin to appreciate the utility of his "one-track' ponies?
Oh well, probably not..... A stiff upper lip is the (old) British way. But, probably not in the future...
Business as usual for the Tories and Labour
Submitted by Aeneas on Sun, 2007-11-04 15:18.
I think this speaks volumes about Tory and New Labour attitudes to immigration. They talk about putting limits on immigration but this to me is just a smokescreen for doing nothing. The main British parties as far as I can see want to continue with the policy of unrestricted immigration. This episode illustrates the point.