Bye Bye Holland

From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Sat, 2006-11-11 13:40

A quote from Expatica, 10 November 2006

In the first nine months of this year, almost 100,000 people left the Netherlands to settle elsewhere, 12,000 more than the same period last year. […] The net effect means the Dutch population was reduced in the 2004-06 period by 75,000. In the preceding three years, there was a positive net migration of 75,000. Despite the dramatic reversal, the number of immigrants is also on the increase.

@ peter vanderheyden

Submitted by Frank Lee on Tue, 2006-11-14 05:03.

You wrote:

"We Europeans are flat on our belly for more then sixty years now in admiring thankfulness for the US and Stalinist USSR help against the Nazi’s. The question is, how long do you want us to stay in this position? Can you give us a clue on the moment you think we can get up again?"

 

Might I suggest that you could stop feeling grateful to the United States the moment the Europeans take responsibility for their own national defense?  Sixty years after the end of the Second World War, the Germans still pretend they're too ape-shit crazy to be trusted.  Likewise, the rest of Europe acts like they still need someone to take care of them.  The next time hundreds of thousands of refugees threaten to spill over your borders (like those from Bosnia and Kosovo), you and your European comrades should do the honors of bombing civilians and wasting hundreds of billions of dollars and risking the lives of your airmen and leave America out of it.  Then you could stop feeling grateful to us.

To Peter V

Submitted by Flanders Fields on Tue, 2006-11-14 02:04.

"beleave me, we Europeans are flat on our belly for more then sixty years now in admiring thankfulness for the US and Stalinist USSR help against the Nazi’s. The question is, how long do you want us to stay in this position? Can you give us a clue on the moment you think we can get up again?"

Yes. You can arise five times a day for prayer. You can pray that the US comes to your aid. Other than that, you are welcome to stay in your natural position.

@FFlaw...

Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Mon, 2006-11-13 15:46.

Thanks for the internet link...so am I right in assuming that you wrote that article ("Soft on Terror")?

Not the Author of that article...just chose to use pic

Submitted by FLLegal on Mon, 2006-11-13 16:21.

Dear Kapitein Andre:

No I lucked out when looking for a pic. I just Googled to find a pic of the Pilsbury® Doughboy and one pic (the one I chose) was with the article which looks pretty good. I figured maybe not everyone knew who the Pillsbury® Doughboy was or what he looked like is why I referenced it.

Cute little feller ain't he. I giggle too when you push on my belly! :)

From Krisof to Zoe, Fllaw, and Frank Lee

Submitted by krisof on Mon, 2006-11-13 07:04.

Hey Zoe, I am closer to being a libetarian, not a "leftie," not a "rightie," nor any type of a PC lapdog. Also, I can be characterized as a spiritualist, not religeous nor anti-religeous.

Fllaw, Constitution? What are you talking about? Oh, that piece of paper bush tore up with a smirk on his face? Good luck finding it, because it's been trashed... I'm a patriot, like you, but against blind nationalism; I'm neural to religions, but againt those who preach without consent. Isn't there something in your bible, that say to the effect: though shall not judge, or ye shall be judged? Walk your talk, Fllaw.


Frank, you are an academic, I am also an Ivy League educated academic. So, I say you should know better. I will give you an example. Have you read the MCA 2006 just signed into law? That one effectively takes the bill of rights out the window, right under your nose - do a search on it see why the major media remains silent on this law that could take us (US) into tyranny.

The only ememy to our freedom is our government.

I am also an Ivy League

Submitted by Voyager on Mon, 2006-11-13 15:40.

I am also an Ivy League educated academic.

Your spelling shows that............mind you Larry Summers did complain about grade inflation at Harvard, but I guess you were actually marking the papers !

It is pointless quoting the New Testament simply because it fits with the old Testament and The Talmud; Jesus was a rabbinical Jew and Torah Observant which tends to put a crimp in the stule of New Age Pagans quoting Scripture. Krisof with your approach you seem perfect for The Episcopalian Church of the US - they have a love of "diversity" and someone who is ignorant of the Bible and cannot spell sounds perfect for their needs

An engineer in Seattle, US, looking to emmigrate to somewhere with more personal freedom.
They're going to miss you Krisof.................somewhere

Krisof: Shouldn't teach politics or Christianity - PT 1

Submitted by FLLegal on Mon, 2006-11-13 10:26.

Krisof,

I wouldn't expect you to know the Bible. You stated, "Isn't there something in your bible, that say to the effect: though shall not judge, or ye shall be judged? Walk your talk, Fllaw."

Said ploy to silence Christians is typical of many like you.

You've taken it out of context AND failed to understand what Jesus Christ was saying:

Here is what He said in MT 7:1: "Do not judge lest you be judged. 2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 "And why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 "Or how can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

What Christ was instructing was/is that "for in the way you judge" you too will be judged". He was instructing a Christian to be careful in their judgments and examine themselves first before making judgments. Don't be a hypocrite, i.e. condeming someone for the very same thing you are doing. See also Romans 2:1-3.

But Jesus Christ was NEVER instructing a Christian to stick their heads in the sand and/or be brain dead. Just that when you JUDGE use a RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT.

Jesus said in John 7:24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

Krisof: Shouldn't teach politics or Christianity - PT 2

Submitted by FLLegal on Mon, 2006-11-13 10:29.

Dear krisof (con't):

The following two verses Jesus criticizes people for NOT taking on their own initiative to judge what is RIGHT!!!

Jesus said in LK 12:56: "You hypocrites! You know how to analyze the appearance of the earth and the sky, but why do you not analyze this present time? 57 "And why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right?"

1CO 6:1 Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, matters of this life?

Whether you like it or not krisof, if you aren't a Christian, Jesus Christ, along with His saints, will judge you, if not in this world, than we will do so in the world to come.

Krisof: Your ploy will work on many gullible Christians who don't know much of the Word, but you won't get this Christian to "shut up" by your misquoting and misunderstanding scripture as you spout your ideology lacking wisdom based on ignorance.

Very telling how you said, "something in your bible".

Very telling indeed.

Converts

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-11-13 10:34.

Blimey, FL, I bet you make a lot of converts with your easy, tolerant, conversational style.

Bob Doney

Thank God it's the Holy Spirit's Job to Convict not Mine

Submitted by FLLegal on Mon, 2006-11-13 12:15.

Dear Bob:

:)

Actually I'm much nicer than I write. Behind the "tough exterior" is a empathizing Pillsbury® doughboy! :)

See my pic at: http://www.republicanvoices.org/soft_on_terror.html

I did fail "charm school" and failed to get a diplomatic post because I was deemed to be to scary for the French!!!

I should have not had Tom Bolton as my favorite instructor! ;)

@krisof

Submitted by USAntigoon on Mon, 2006-11-13 03:08.

Too much rain for you in Seattle...It will affect your judgment after a while..

@ krisof

Submitted by Frank Lee on Mon, 2006-11-13 01:08.

Would you mind eleborating on what you mean when you say that the United States has become one of the most oppressive nations on earth?  I'm a gay man living in Ohio, and I'm feeling no more oppressed than before.  I wish we had gay marriage, of course, but we never have had gay marriage, so my present situation is not exactly a step backward.  Can you give us specifics?

Stop Whining!

Submitted by krisof on Mon, 2006-11-13 00:05.

You guys crack me up. Holland is one of the most free countries in the world. On the other hand, US has become one of the most oppressive nations in terms of personal liberty. People from US go there find freedom and happiness. And they do.

As to "Islamic Invasion," I can only say this: I'd rather live next to a nice muslim family in Europe than live next to a flag-waving-chest-pounding-bible-thumping-bush-loving-war-mongering fat morons in USA.

The only ememy to our freedom is our government.

Hey Kristof....

Submitted by oiznop on Mon, 2006-11-13 14:10.

You say "People from US go there find freedom and happiness."......

Not true....People from the U.S. go to the Netherlands to smoke pot and inject other hallucinogens into their body without being arrested.....If that is freedom in your eyes, then we have a serious problem.....

Also, as for this: As to "Islamic Invasion," I can only say this: I'd rather live next to a nice muslim family in Europe than live next to a flag-waving-chest-pounding-bible-thumping-bush-loving-war-mongering fat morons in USA.

You do that, and (depending on who's in the majority) we will see which of the two is more likely to chop off your head ...I don't know what part of the world you live in, brother, but you better thank God, yes that's GOD, not ALLAH, that we flag waving chest pounding bible thumping bush loving war mongering fat morons in the USA are around...otherwise you might be wearing a swastika on your arm, or answering to a guard at a Siberian gulg if we weren't!......

@oiznop

Submitted by peter vanderheyden on Mon, 2006-11-13 15:30.

beleave me, we Europeans are flat on our belly for more then sixty years now in admiring thankfulness for the US and Stalinist USSR help against the Nazi’s. The question is, how long do you want us to stay in this position? Can you give us a clue on the moment you think we can get up again?

@Peter V

Submitted by atheling on Mon, 2006-11-13 22:14.

"beleave me, we Europeans are flat on our belly for more then sixty years now in admiring thankfulness for the US and Stalinist USSR help against the Nazi’s. The question is, how long do you want us to stay in this position? Can you give us a clue on the moment you think we can get up again?"

Flat on your bellies, huh? Bullsh*t. Right after WWII you yellow bellies were already conspiring on how to undermine America and American interests (see Charles de Gaulle), and now the EU is reaping the fruits of that labor. Enjoy your dhimmitude.

@Peter Van....

Submitted by oiznop on Mon, 2006-11-13 16:50.

Hi Peter....RE: The question is, how long do you want us to stay in this position? Can you give us a clue on the moment you think we can get up again?

I would answer that that all depends on Europe an the avenue which it pursues....History has show that Europe can't get up without the U.S...it was proven during WWII, it was proven during the Cold War, and it will be proven once again with the onslaught of radical Islam perforating Europe's nations...The reason being is that Europe, thru it's one valition, has gone in a politcally correct leftist direction that has seen record numbers of unemployed individuals, socialized welfare states, out of control immigration, and a cowardly appeasment policy toward it's own defense....In short, Socialism (at the behest of the people?) is what has lead to this....When can Europe get up again without American help?....That my friend depends on Europe taking a hard look at itself and looking at what direction it wishes to go......

Europe Mad - U.S. won't Sign Their Suicide Pact - Part I

Submitted by FLLegal on Mon, 2006-11-13 18:19.

Dear oiznop:

The U.S. contributed to the socialism in Western Europe. Since WWII to the end of the Cold War and beyond, we, the U.S., carried pretty much the defense burdon and associated costs of western Europe.

The Western Europeans were able to take what monies that normally would be used for defense and used them for the "socialist utopian".

As an American I am tired of footing a large portion of the world's defenses, i.e. Japan, Korea, and Europe. I think we need to ween Europe off of our subsidizing their defense and they have to make the hard choices, i.e. guns versus butter, and in what proportion. Then live with the consequences.

As far as WHEN Europe can quit being ungrateful for our saving their asses in WWII? Oh the various governments stopped being grateful sometime ago and only lend lip service. Their actions and Anti-Americanism has been endemic in their societies for some time.

Europe Mad - U.S. won't Sign Their Suicide Pact - Part II

Submitted by FLLegal on Mon, 2006-11-13 18:20.

Dear oiznop (con't):

As far as Western Europe is concerned, I don't really consider any of them a true U.S. ally nor are they dependable when U.S. asks for help. France I consider an adversary more than an ally. Only Great Britain is a nation that I still hold any affinity to and I fear for her both as to surrendering her soverneignty and the internal Islamic threat.

I guess what is frustrating is that Western Europe operates as if it is under a strong delusion blind to what really is going on in the world. In fact, their approach to the world is the same as that prior to the rise of Hitler. They rather appease than fight. They rather stand on convenience that principle. They rather continue to ride their socialist "dream boat" which is sinking. Even IF socialism were all that it was "cracked up to be", demographics alone will corrupt it (as if it could be further corrupted) and further bankrupt it.

I think what makes the Western Europeans mad, is that the U.S. won't buy into their "suicide pact". They are like an "addict" that gets mad because we won't partake into their way of life and take "hits" with them.

But who knows, if the Democrats have their way, we soon will join their suicide pact and "happily" all go down together.

Euroweenie says: U - NITE !

Submitted by Jari on Mon, 2006-11-13 21:52.

Flaww, and some other Americans: take - a - break. There is no such thing as 'THE Europeans'. And for anti - americanism: take pride in your sky high tree, shivering from the winds it catches.

For your whining about US expenses in favour of western Europe: they were and still are an investment for the US. For it's trade, it's weapon industries and it's power.

You can not judge Europeans ONLY because their governments are lead by sheep that are waiting to be eaten by foreign eagles.

You have a problem with Holland: I - DARE - YOU !

.. to come over and discover (like other non - pot smoking Americans) a visit to my land is most - refreshing. Skip the big cities, though.

Jezus is a jogi

Skip the cities of Holland Jari? Good Advice

Submitted by FLLegal on Wed, 2006-11-15 08:28.

Jari stated, "Skip the big cities, though."

Why skip the cities?

I know why for the cities of Holland are MORE like Ridyah, Tehran, & Damacus now with the Muslims having "conquered" the major cities of Holland. Already true Hollander's (non-Islamic ones) are fleeing the cities for the countryside. Others are choosing passage to Canada, U.S., New Zealand, and/or Australia.

Good advice Jari and sadly true.

I was there, Jari.

Submitted by krisof on Tue, 2006-11-14 03:21.

Hi Jari,

I was there in Holland, Jari. I remember people gathering at a local bakery in the country, meeting new people, talking about nothing, creating new friendships, and saying good bye with genuine smile. I remember the puffy cloud formations that line up along the sky, only in Holland.

I felt a sense of peace, a sense of being connected to the people and nature, and that I was never alone.

Then I came back to my country (US). I go to a grocery store (that's where the bakeries are) and started talking to someone. I got a blank stare as if saying "what do you want from me?" I said, "excuse me" and walked away.

I am not saying Holland is a utopia, I am not saying US is a hell. It simply was my personal experience.

BTW, Jari, can you elaborate when you say, "Jezus is a jogi?"

Holland, Krisov and La-La Land

Submitted by Flanders Fields on Tue, 2006-11-14 13:29.

"I was there in Holland, Jari. I remember people gathering at a local bakery in the country, meeting new people, talking about nothing, creating new friendships, and saying good bye with genuine smile. I remember the puffy cloud formations that line up along the sky, only in Holland."

I'm glad you enjoyed your two day visit to Amsterdam. Nothing makes a fat virgin more poetically inclined than a sixty dollar prostitute and a five dollar joint smoked in a cluttered, peaceful coffee house. That is, until you discover the bakery that is so quaint under the rosy sky. It is such a shame to have to go back to the US, where the grocery stores have such an abundance of everything except no "coffee house" next door.

I'm not disparaging Amsterdam which is a nice place. I am disputing your naive stupidity, which doesn't allow you to get past your self-induced haze of delusion about what is real and what is attractive because you just had a visit to La-La land. Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't just visit- you live there.

five euro's ? a rip - off !

Submitted by Jari on Tue, 2006-11-14 21:48.

I can't remember refering to Amsterdam, careless reader.

And to add to your annoyment: you want to know WHY i forsee a bright future under the big sky of Holland, Flanders Fields?

we Europeans are flat on our

Submitted by Voyager on Mon, 2006-11-13 15:35.

we Europeans are flat on our belly for more then sixty years now in admiring thankfulness for the US and Stalinist USSR help against the Nazi’s

The British are just grateful Hitler declared War on the USA in December 1941 as we had nothing left to sell the US for weapons. All Britain's investments in the USA were liquidated, gold reserves, leases given on Caribbean islands, it is hard to know what else the country could sell to buy weapons from US on "Cash & Carry" basis which was all Congress would permit.

How impressive, Kristof!

Submitted by Zoe on Mon, 2006-11-13 04:45.

Congrats, you are the very definition of what it means to be a Useful Idiot. Been swallowing the Leftie-Politically-Correct drivel quite well, haven't you.

Just so you know, I'm a non-American Atheist.

"Fat morons"

Submitted by FLLegal on Mon, 2006-11-13 03:07.

Dear krisof:

If you love all the "freedom" socialism brings, then Holland is the place for you.

And just where do you rank the U.S. as "one of the most oppressive nations" krisof?

Iran? China? Saudi Arabia? Bahrain? Egypt? Gaza? Lebanon? Syria? Said comment of "most oppressive" is ludicrous.

Drug user krisof? Is that the oppression you are talking about? Lot of people love the free drugs there that is for sure.

"flag waving"? You have something against patriotism krisof? Are you upset that America does not become like Europe and join your "suicide pact"?

"chest pounding bible thumping"? Got a problem with Christianity krisof?

"Bush loving"? Well you got me there. I voted for Bush twice, but he is turning out to be a pseudo-Conservative and he doesn't have the WILL TO WIN. We need more troops. He will improve his standing with me if he fights with a WILL TO WIN in Iraq with massive troops allowing the troops to fight ruthlessly and not with a hand tied behind their backs like the Euroweenies, Geneva, or U.N. expect. Of course, perhaps we should follow the French in how they wage war, i.e. surrender.

"Fat morons" are everywhere krisof. I bet they run even in your family. :)

Krisof you stated: "The only ememy to our freedom is our government." Only a deluded blind man would not include the tyrannical political and religious ideology of Islam in that statement which is MOST DEFINITELY an enemy to our freedom.

But it is true that any government can be an enemy to one's freedom. Just look at all the Islamic states, Communist states, and socialist states. I am glad I don't live under any of the governments of Europe. AND I thank God that in this country, i.e. America, our constitution provided us the right to bear arms which makes it more difficult for a government to deprive us of our liberties like Bible thumping! :)

To Krisof

Submitted by Taurus689 on Mon, 2006-11-13 03:07.

Sure lots of Americans go to the Nederlands to be "free" to indulge in a lot of activities for which they will be beheaded when the Sharia goes into effect.

Muslims go home

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-11-13 00:44.

There was a nice programme about the British summer (!!!) on the BBC tonight - people hunting butterflies and chasing clouds - you know, the sort of thing crazy British people do when they're not invading other folks' countries.

There was a cricket team composed entirely of Muslim lads up in Yorkshire. Who the hell do they think they are? They were seen cheering the England footy team, and, worst of all, beating all-comers in their cricket league.

I'm not sure our social fabric can stand much more of this. Something must be done.

Bob Doney

Perhaps they can stay

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-11-13 00:46.

On the other hand there will be some upcoming vacancies in our rugby team shortly. Perhaps they could be persuaded to apply...

Bob Doney

Hollywood Celebrities

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2006-11-12 22:44.

No EU country accept immigrants from American?

They do. Johnny Depp, Madonna... other lefty Hollywood types have emigrated there. Now if only the whole damn group of them would emigrate that would make my day.

The Appeasers

Submitted by Carmela on Sun, 2006-11-12 06:17.

Yes, expelling the appeasers is the first step in changing this disastrous course. These cowards who refer to themselves as leaders are in for a rude awakening if they believe that their policies will be looked upon fondly by the invaders as they will be among the first to die.

Say Farewell to Europe

Submitted by Carmela on Sun, 2006-11-12 02:01.

Handing Europe over to Muslims on a silver platter is not the solution. Europeans must stay and fight for what rightfully belongs to them and do whatever is necessary to preserve our precious homelands and cultures. Do they mean so little to us that we can simply pack a suitcase and say farewell?   

1st things 1st Carmela

Submitted by Flanders Fields on Sun, 2006-11-12 02:26.

Can you change European "leadership"? If you can, then there may be a chance to stay and change the course of what is coming. Unless the Eurorats are tossed out, the people are not going to have a say in what happens to them. It is the European leftist leaders who will hand Europe over to the muslims, but the Eurorats will keep the silver platter. It should be obvious that the muslims are your problem for the future. It is the Eurorats who are your problem now.

I would be curious if that

Submitted by Amsterdamsky on Sat, 2006-11-11 19:01.

I would be curious if that number is offset by talented immigrants.  Amsterdam seems to be growing again.  The Euro just completely killed the economy here (man made recession?) but it does appear to be getting better.  Dutch people have always been travelers.  Doesn't really mean they are not coming back either.

Wait, on second read I declare shenanagens! This quote

"Despite the dramatic reversal, the number of immigrants is also on the increase."

Everything I have read refutes that. If you add the 1) number of illegal immigrants deported + 2) non-illegal immigrants denied visa renewal and deported I am sure that is much higher than 3) total immigration from non-western countries.

A simple walk around amsterdam will confirm that. Most of the non-western immigrants here seem to be legal and have been here for some time. If you add the death rate I would not be surprised if the population is actually shrinking.

As metioned in the thread about Germany....

Submitted by oiznop on Sat, 2006-11-11 18:26.

Why are so many leaving???....I.S.L.A.M.!!!!.....However, if what this article says it true, then there is an equal trade off of people coming into the Netherlands....including the Polish, Germans, Americans and native Dutch....I am not so sure I buy it totally, though....Where is there a mention of the Muslims immigrating to the Netherlands also???....hmmm????...hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil......Never fails!.....