"Muslims are less of a problem than Islam itself" is what I myself said pointing to Quran.

In this info age, Miriam Madam has proved with concrete truths and factual evidence, there are indeed people more ignorant than one previously thought.

Secondly, what happens in India impacts everyone even when I limit my visit to India. My plane may be hijacked as one from Nepal was really hijacked by talebans. The tools used by muslimes has had direct implications on my fellow citizens of USA that suffered immense loss in WTC. In fact, the box-cutter 9/11 method of terrorizing passengers was perfected first in that Nepali hijacked savagery.
The ransome money from the hijack was perhaps used for WTC massacre too. Even as we speak/write, many robberies of jewelry shops in India are taking place that might end up as funds supporting jihadi savagery in USA/UK/Europe.

Miriam Madam is as calm as I am and even cheerfully illuminating. If someone is perturbed or agitated easily from being weak minded, it is not her fault.

Truths if unpalatable are bitter. But some are more than bitter as they are shocking too. Such are the factual evidence from Asia generally and India specifically. I bet you did not know about all those riots quite unrelated to any Hindus who can roll with the punches and indeed "savage serial mass murders" unlike the Euro wuss.
Given the Euro naivete and apathy, I won't be surprised if partition of Europe befalls in Spain, Italy or France. Then, Indians will be saying this: "You need to find a political solution of your own, even if that means more partitioning."

Your sympathies are not what the poor and terrorized Indians want but rather cooperation and monetary support via a donor conference. That'd send a strong signal to the pakki fascists too. No one is lecturing anyone here.

Your mission is impossible if you continue to prefer being ill-informed and so too passive and naive..

Miriam and invite_jesus … the two of you need to calm down and break off. Your way is not the way we debate issues here in European countries. I realize your Indian government has been clamping down hard on Indian blogger sites very recently. Perhaps this is why you have found your way over here?

Let me say I sympathize with much that you say, but not with its over-emotional and shrill tone. Some of us in Europe do pay attention to what is going on in India. We are not as ignorant as you seem to think.

I think it is about time you Indians dropped this hackneyed reference to Britain draining of India of its wealth. That is hogwash, which Americans fell for long ago. If it were not for the British and their Raj, your Muslim problem would be a lot worse than it is today.

Your constitution confirms you are a secular nation; and Islam will take advantage wherever it can. You are a big country. You need to find a political solution of your own, even if that means more partitioning. But, Indian Muslims are less of a problem than Islam itself. Attack the philosophy or creed of Islam without pause, but don’t pick on innocent Muslims just because they were unfortunate to have been born into it. Although, Arabs might be a different story.

I followed the cartoon affair closely on US conservative blogs and noone wrote that the cartoons have been published in any major US outlet; in fact, they all complained that they had not been published. So I should be excused if I don't know that they have been published by Time and Newsweek.

Meanwhile, at Wikipedia, Time and Newsweek magazines are still missing from the list of publications that reprinted the cartoons. I encourage you to add the information about publication in Time and Newsweek in the Wikipedia entry.

Muslimes come in packed only in 2 types-
* "savage serial mass murderers" that India and indeed most other nations of the globe have witnessed largely originating in "fakistan's" hate mills;

* mafia extortion practiced by muslime communalists in the rest of the community.

and there is no moderate or nice kind at all.

Kudos and bravo to Miriam Madam whose endearing "my dear friend" appellations fell lost on wasted souls. I love her comments as below:
"What more factual evidence you want? Is the *evidence* not clear, compelling, concrete and overhwhelming?

Worst of all, most of these riots [*totally* unrelated to Sena or any Hindu or Hindu leaders] caused no large naturally expected backlash or revenge.

Not even "savage serial mass murders" by islamic blasts in temples of Varanasi, Gujarat Akshardam, Delhi markets, Bombay trains, buses, cinema halls..etc etc etc."

Yes her list of riots has been totally unrelated to any Hindu leader, entirely unconnected to any Hindu, completely with no link to any Hindu org.

You see how the domineering fascism of ugly muslimes shows up again and again riot after riot, century after century, naiton after nation.

The smiling muslime assassin, mohd ali jinah, caused many barbaric riots too during Raj period and called it DIRECT ACTION. Go figure who is hateful. All your spin, hype and Hitlerian lies are a mere hogwash.

Check your statement for fact-content [not fat content - quality not quantity, ie!], my dear friend! You have been around those islamofascists for too long, it seems like!

In dowry deaths, it is kerosene and not acid that is used, acid being the norm of the fascists in that whole region. Do google on this, as it takes just a few seconds!

Mr Belien is right! India has the maximal # of "unassimilated minority" left dumped on Hindus as an economic and criminal burden as the list of very *recent* riots categorically proves:
-> Riots for Bush visit
-> Riots for Daniush Cartoons
-> Foul remarks of Jerry Falwell
-> Riots for temporarily missing relics of islam in Kashmir in places far removed from Kashmir
-> Caliph driven riots during Gandhi's days
-> Riots for already banned books of Salman Rushdie and recently Nasreen etc etc etc.

What more factual evidence you want? Is the *evidence* not clear, compelling, concrete and overhwhelming?

Worst of all, most of these riots [*totally* unrelated to Sena or any Hindu or Hindu leaders] caused no large naturally expected backlash or revenge.

Not even "savage serial mass murders" by islamic blasts in temples of Varanasi, Gujarat Akshardam, Delhi markets, Bombay trains, buses, cinema halls..etc etc etc.

Your flippant and less than responsible remark about F-16 plane is a skewed one. They are getting it plus at least 3 bil and as much as 15 bil for everything put together. Case is closed.

Mr Traveller, Again, you are exposing your confused mind or is it ignorance or both? To top it all, You are flippant too, being not very responsible in your banal and puerile responses.

You q'd my tolerance. If Christians were tolerant, Saddam was fine, right? No one can be tolerant against liars and sadist killers that savage muslimes like Saddam are. If Christians were tolerant, none of holocaust, soviet purges, or crusades woyld have happened. Learn first Jesus was a student of meta-physics of India from where he got many of the lessons he later preached and evangelists like me preach.

To force the issue, you bring in, irrelevant facts like truck-drivers..etc that all are making Miriam's case stronger and yours weaker. Dont you see that?

Both poverty and long tradition of dowry system is causing a few occasional dowry deaths mostly among refugees from "fakistan". In contrast, acid throwing is the regional tool among the *muslimes*.

To pursue your logic (or lack of it) why do the turks in Germany murder by HONOR KILLING though they have nothing to do with Hindus? See how wrong you are!

"Indian political culture of the modern times" is largely a result of Western apathy and siding with the muslime savages. Ie why I have been advocating their conversion into Christian fold and its civilizing influence.

How foolish to think, the same muslim is ok in one part of the earth, but is an evil devil only in the West! They are evil whether in Thailand, Lanka, India, Phillipines or the West! It is from their book called Quran that teaches hate towards and mass murder of the infidels. So simple yet so hard for some to get it.

I like Palestinians, arabs and non-arabs..in that order! Last are the least trust-worthy as we see pakkis duping us on delivering binLaden as our "key ally" despite getting truckload of our money.
In contract, the Serbs have delivered a whole lot more and yet we have done very lil for the Serbs, the Christians.

In ref to, "Unfortunately the peaceful Muslims are silent with few exceptions. Why? They risk their lives or exclusion from the Muslim community. Self-preservation is a motivation that I can understand. However, it is only them that can truely save the world from spiraling into another World War.

Where is that peaceful Muslim leader that will encourage people by the thousands to march against all those terrorist groups out there creating chaos for not only Westerners but other muslims?" I must say that the moderates are less 20% and are also complicit in this drama as activie supporters of jihadi savagery. Every muslime journo writes, "If you gives us more money, our youths would be leave you in peace!!" as if such yielding and appeasement is gonna make 100% peace guarantee! I see it as mafia intimidation and extortion racket. We have given tons of money.

It has worked. They have won time after time. But we have not fully bought peace yet, as we are asked to pay gazillion more installments and zillion more payments till all our children perish. And only their children remain. [one other thing, they use stoning/lynching and burning as tools too, as Ganesh festivities are lynched year after year in Bombay and other parts of India; a train car load of women and children were burnt alive in Godhra, near Bombay. For one unused bldg in ruins called 'babri', they caused deaths of >1788 innocent civilians].

A followup to VDH's theme:

'Israel's elimination is being planned, plotted, scheduled' 

by Denis MacEoin, Arabic and Islamic Studies in Fez, Newcastle and Durham University

"I do believe that the elimination of Israel is planned, plotted, and even scheduled with great care and seriousness in more than one country. And I am convinced that, if Israel disappears, the consequences for all of us will be fearful."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/012556.php#comments

Another little interesting tidbit that also follows up a previous entry of mine.

Reuters Doctoring Photos from Beirut?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21956_Reuters_Doctoring_Photos_from_Beirut&only

If we wanna learn abt islamofascism, it is simple. Simply study the old case of India. How the fascists have been gradually using every trick in the books to rob, rape and riot (3R tactics as known in India). Mr Belien's ref to "ongoing vandalism in France’s lost neighbourhoods" is an off-shoot of this global drama.

Traveler, I am afraid I am with invite_jesus on this one. Church burning, acid attacks are additonal tools they use besides 3R tactics in and around India. Do a 'google' search on acid throwing that is commonly used in bangladesh, afghan and pakki lands besides India.

Indians in general and Hindus in particular are being persecuted [like shiites of iraq, like blacks under apartheid] for one more century 'cos the brits goofed [as we do currently] as they did in palestine, iraq...etc.

Mr Gordon Brown wants to donate tons of money to africa instead of India whom the brits plundered as the "jewel" of their empire despite the poverty level and AIDS level is just as serious in India [70% of Indians are poor acg to Bush's figures that said 30% are middle class already buying mostly western goods - 1 bil - 30 = 70!]. Case closed!

Amsterdamsky:

While I am not religious either, I do believe in religion.  Religion does provide solace for many people, whether they are Christian, Jewish, Hindu and yes, even Muslim.

It is not the 'religion' per se, but religious leaders who from time to time go off on a meglomaniac, religious zeal and take their adherents with them.

Mission Impossible:

I believe that radical feminism is an off-shoot of the leftist ideaology of late 60's, 70's and 80's.

That being said, I do not believe that all feminism is bad.

Why do I visualize you as Ralph Kramden from the Honeymooners?

Then came Christ and told everybody: DO UNTO EACH OTHER AS YOU WANT THEM TO DO TO YOURSELF. I have enough with that one phrase. I don't care if Christ was born of a virgin or is the son of God. This one sentence is not traceable to any other religion or philosophy and if you don't understand that this is the start of democracy and real socialism than you go back to kindergarten.

I don't want to start an argument on this, but what do you call

"thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" (Leviticus 19:18)

Or

"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor." (Hillel, 1st Century BCE).

Hillel's version, which is given in the passive, seems to be more the essence of democracy than Jesus's more active version. You are allowed to do whatever you wish as long as it does not impinge on your neighbor's (fellow, etc) rights and privileges.

Islam In Europe

"truth serum on Sat, 2006-08-05 13:13.

Amsterdamsky:
Despite your claim of...."I feel ALL relgions are a threat to the way I would like to live my life." you constantly attack Christianity.
"

Jews seem to think I am always only attacking them so it must be in the eye of the beholder. In regards to not addressing the point you are probably right.  I get trashed so much for my anti-religious opinions on other sites I am just starting to go to the concluding arguments.

from Traveler

"I never met a Palestinian I liked and for your information, no other educated muslim likes them either"

And you call my posts a collection of idiocies.  I have never met a Palestinian I didn't like.  They have been very good immigrants in the US and have assimilated very well. 

Mr. Hanson habitually writes powerful pieces; this one may be considered one of his classics. Some thoughts.

With the Mujahedin’s victory in Afghanistan, the formation of al-Qaida, and establishment of Iran’s Islamic republic, Islam declared war on the rest of the word. That’s a quarter century ago. We have some catching up to do.

The mainstream media is in economic trouble, and they have reacted by disseminating yet more hysterical leftism; thus conforming to Einstein’s theory on insanity.

Women have to be distanced from the political process, because the female gender has been the main conduit for the spread of left-liberal passivity we now find ourselves mired in. Feminist ideology must be eradicated. Western Men must regain their authority.

To see the machinations of Islam as it really is, in other words, to call a Muslim spade a spade, invites the rapid dissolution of the whole Left-Liberal world view. Bringing an end to Muslim expansionism promises dire consequences for US Democrats, Britain’s New Labour, and all their equivalents in Europe. The demise will be presaged by the total rejection of multiculturalism. Like a rambling rose, the remainder will quickly be overrun. Therefore, to preach peace is a matter of political survival for these left-liberals.

Left-liberalism is a mental disease, and not a cohesive philosophy. It is the suspension of reality; the desire to live life in a pink gold-fish bowl.

The official motto of New Hampshire is: Live Free or Die. Those of you who oppose the madness should watch more Samurai movies. We all die someday. It is far better to choose the moment & method of death yourself. We must become the unmerciful destroyers so that our sons & daughters may know freedom.

traveller:

So now you try your hand at redirection...not biting.

I, in fact, do understand.

Taqiyyah in action: Hilarious scenes of  Palestinian staged victimhood

Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
"the German- Syrian scholar Bassam Tibi, a Muslim reformist, is warning the West against wishful thinking in its “dialogue” with Muslims. "The dialogue is not proceeding well because of the two-facedness of most Muslim interlocutors on the one hand and the gullibility of well-meaning Western idealists on the other."
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=294

Obsession: What The War on Terror Is Really About
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6162397493278181614&q=Obsession%3A+What+The+War+on+Terror+Is+Really+About&hl=en

Hurray for VDH!  However, it's a bit rich for him to talk about European cartoonists, when almost every country in continental Europe published the Mohammed cartoons, and the USA did not.

Amsterdamsky:

Despite your claim of...."I feel ALL relgions are a threat to the way I would like to live my life." you constantly attack Christianity.

As you often do with many of the articles you dislike here and elsewhere, you never address the point of the article, but try and redirect it's readers off into another direction.

It does not matter what Christianity once was.  What matters now is how Islam is affecting the world today...........which comes back to the point of Professor Hanson's commentary.

We are on the brink of another World War where millions of people are going to die because the West is making all the same mistakes again!

call me new fashioned but I feel ALL relgions are a threat to the way I would like to live my life.  When you say jews or christians are the good guys and muslims the bad guys or vice versa I have to point out that they are essentially sects of the same religion and none have done anything other than put the brakes on scientific progress, free speech and democracy.  Don't forget that before Constantine and the subsequent fall of Rome and the Dark Ages all of Europe was pagan.  Democracy came from Greece and not Judea.

Case in point from the Catholic Encyclopedia http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04295c.htm:

"Constantine can rightfully claim the title of Great, for he turned the history of the world into a new course and made Christianity, which until then had suffered bloody persecution, the religion of the State. It is true that the deeper reasons for this change are to be found in the religious movement of the time, but these reasons were hardly imperative, as the Christians formed only a small portion of the population, being a fifth part in the West and the half of the population in a large section of the East. Constantine's decision depended less on general conditions than on a personal act; his personality, therefore, deserves careful consideration.

Long before this, belief in the old polytheism had been shaken; in more stolid natures, as Diocletian, it showed its strength only in the form of superstition, magic, and divination. "

They negect, of course, to add science for which later christians persecuted, executed and banned thus setting the course for the stagnation of europe until the Protestant Reformation and subsequent wars against the Catholic south that gave science and democracy (and I would add free enterprise) some breathing room once again.

It is the fear of unassimilated minorities at home.