Danish Imams Propose to End Cartoon Dispute

From the desk of Hjörtur J. Guðmundsson on Sun, 2006-01-22 21:31

Update (7 February 2006): The Cartoon Hoax 

 

The Danish imams, who protested the publication of 12 Muhammad cartoons [see them all below] in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten last September, have announced that they want to end the dispute. For four months the imams and their radical Muslim organizations have unsuccesfully demanded government censorship. However, despite immense pressure (also from international organizations such as the UN and the EU) the Danish government refused to call the newspaper to account.

Last week a couple of Norwegian papers decided to publish the cartoons in support of the Danish paper while in Denmark moderate Muslims, encouraged by the government’s refusal to be intimidated by the radicals, have distanced themselves from the imams. The latter announced on Friday that they no longer demand apologies from Jyllands-Posten for the publication. Instead they said they just want two things: a guarantee from the Danish authorities that Muslims can freely practice their religion without being “provoked and discriminated.” And a declaration from Jyllands-Posten that the cartoons were not published with the intention of mocking the Muslim faith. “We want Jyllands-Posten to show respect for the Muslims. This can happen with an apology, but it can also happen in some other way. We will leave it to Jyllands-Posten to come up with some ideas,” said Ahmed Akkari, spokesman of the Muslim organizations. “We want respect for Muhammad restored and we want him to be described as the man he really was in history, and that he gets the respect he deserves,” Akkari stressed that Muslim organizations are still deeply opposed to the publication of the cartoons.

The Muslim organizations and Jyllands-Posten met last week to discuss the matter. “It was a good and constructive meeting. We agreed that we need to find a solution,” said Carsten Juste, editor of Jyllands-Posten. Juste stressed that the meeting was one step in a reconciliation process which the Muslim organizations and the newspaper began in December.

Some sceptics wonder whether the demands of the imams have changed fundamentally. They still insist that Jyllands-Posten admit that publishing the cartoons was wrong and make amends for it. The sceptics argue that the paper should not settle for a compromise on freedom of expression by justifying itself. Others wonder why the radical Muslims appear to be softening their demand and seem so eager to make a deal. Perhaps the decision of Norwegian papers such as Magazinet to support Jyllands-Posten by publishing the cartoons has made the radicals reconsider. Perhaps they fear a domino effect. Some Swedish papers are considering publishing the cartoons as well. If the Swedish government subsequently follows the position of the Danish and Norwegian governments, refusing to interfere and limit freedom of expression, the position of the radical Danish Muslims, who are looking for international support, will only weaken.

According to a poll taken this week among 1,047 people in Denmark 57% of the Danes support Jyllands-Posten’s decision to publish the cartoons, while 31% disagrees. Young people and men are more likely to support the decision. Almost two out of every three males and 61% of people aged between 18 and 25 years of age did so.

Meanwhile an international organization of Muslim intellectuals has threatened to mobilize “millions of Muslims all over the World” to boycott Danish and Norwegian products unless the Danish and Norwegian government condemn the publication of the cartoons, which is called an “attack on the Muslims of the World and on the Prophet.” In Saudi Arabia people are receiving e-mails and sms messages urging them to boycott Danish products “until Denmark offers an official apology.” The Organization of the Islamic Conference protested last week’s publication of the cartoons in the Norwegian paper Magazinet. The Iranian embassy in Oslo said that freedom of expression cannot justify publishing the cartoons. However, Finn Jarle Sæle, the editor of the Norwegian Christian newspaper Norge I DAG, announced that his paper is also considering publishing the cartoons. He called upon other Norwegian editors to do the same. Sæle says that so far many of them have only written editorials supporting freedom of expression but have not dared to publish the cartoons themselves.

Asked if wider publication will not lead to unnecessary confrontations between Christians and Muslims Sæle said the intention was not to provoke just for the sake of provoking, but rather to confront radical Islam in Norway. Perhaps it is necessary to provoke in order to do that, he said. Sæle wants the Norwegian imams to publicly oppose the death threats that have been sent to Magazinet’s editor Vebjørn Selbekk. According to Sæle these threats are not just directed against Magazinet. They affect the entire Norwegian media, not just one editor who dared to stand up for freedom of expression.

 

More on the Danish cartoon case which The Brussels Journal has been covering from the beginning: Click here (see links at end of article)

Re Kenneth L. Jenkins

Submitted by Charlemagne on Thu, 2006-02-16 01:40.

Kenneth L. Jenkins. A former minister eh? I understood that many US ministers are nothing but robbers and extorters of money by way of threatening people with the wrath of God if they don't pay their tithes. And many have long forsaken obedience to the word of God for gnostic knavery. I could understand that giving up that kind of thieving and lying for the sake of filthy lucre could indeed bring inner peace and relief. Admitting you are completely ignorant about God is probably the best thing you ever did!

As for God and Allah, they are opposed, to each other, for God owns Christ as his son and heir to all things whether in heaven or on earth, but Allah does not. So just don't mention Allah and God in the same breath again, O ignorant one.

Re: Kenneth L. Jenkins, he

Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 02:02.

Re: Kenneth L. Jenkins, he is the or was the Minister and Elder of the Pentecostal Church USA, he was raised by a fundamentalist preacher grandmother. And he was doing "faith healings as a jack leg preacher in tent and revival meetings" Holy Moley! He has been stealing in the name of the his former Lord Jesus Christ since he was 16. He becmae a minister at age 20. ( no wonder he liked Mohammed! They had about the same amount of training formally!) Muslims, you people can pick them! Whoa! *wiping my eyes from tears* Then he went to college and decided to go and try save Elijah Muhammad and the Black Muslims! hahahahahahahahaha I am sorry! NOW that must have been funny! The equivalent of being black and attending a Klu Klux Klan meeting in teh Deep South or visiting the local Nazi Party headquarters asking if you could hang around for a while! Get it! Hang around! Never mind!

Oh dear, you muslims dislike racists
and yet to quote former minister Jenkins
" As sincere as I knew many of them were, I could not buy the idea of God being a black man. I disagreed with their use of the Bible to support their position on certain issues>" * has it not been said that many christian view
Jesus Christ as he relates to them, asian, indian, white, black,etc.*
He finally accepted a job in Saudi arabia.. for what I cannot say. He got there and saw the women and men alldressed up etc.

Okay he is a fundamentalist pentecoastal minister before. Some of these sects of Christians, do not drink, dance, smoke, laugh, play music, listen to music..unless the music is holy. They lapse into tongues, fall onto the floor, gyrate, squirm and twitch, some going into seizure like convulsions. All because the holy spirit has filled them. I think everyone has the right to believe what they want and how they want. But if they are using him as an example. I am not sure if he was ever on the path of christianity or at least mainstream christianity in the first place. And I have to agree with Charlemagne. anyway.. For your information one and all. I could not let that go. I HAD to know!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Re: Kenneth L. Jenkins

Submitted by Charlemagne on Thu, 2006-02-16 09:57.

Kenneth L. Jenkins Testimony". I was right. You were a minister in a reprobate and deeply heretical sect, Oneness Pentecostalism, which has forsaken true Christian doctrine that the Father and Son are distinct persons, for the ancient Sabellian heresy that God is singular in person. You confuse the references to YHWH in the Old Testament for references to the Father, which they are not. No-one could conceivably believe that Jesus and the Father were/are the same person, or that the bible teaches any such thing. Does not the book Revelation clearly teach the presence of two persons on the throne of God? Whom did Christ pray to? Himself? You were always totally ignorant of the bible.

Also, as is usual with such cultic sects, they forsake the bible teaching on the true relations between men and women, and the orderly role of the women in church (they are commanded to remain silent - 1 Cor. 14:34) and not permitted to teach (1 Tim 2), for their own libertinism.

You are correctly state in your testimony that the sect is riddled with hypocrisy. Nearly all pentacostals are antinomians, forsakers of the true law of God. A filthy cultic heretical sect.

As for your holy roller meetings - what does that have to do with the conduct of the church meetings as taught by the apostles?

The apostles taught that only those tried and tested in the faith should become elders - you were merely an enthusiast, and you failed the test.

Kenneth L. Jenkins --> you are a nerd who never knew anything of true Christian doctrine. No wonder you converted to Islam.
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Mahomet is no prophet, Allah is no faith, Islam is no religion. Christ will destroy them all.

What Church in Indiana, USA ...boy?

Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 01:01.

What Church in Indiana, USA? We need a name. saying a church is like saying a needle in a haystack...or you have not been to Indiana..boy! You do have a name. do you not, boy?

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

"Can't we all just get along?"

Submitted by blukat on Wed, 2006-02-15 20:02.

How can Islam be a religion of peace when Muslims are killing Muslims and non-Muslims alike in the name of Allah? The Islam of the Koran and Hadith is a contradiction to what Muslims profess to believe publicly. It is a religion of violence and terrorism.

It's true that Catholicism, via its human agents, committed its share of atrocities way back when...but it does not encourage the likes of Eric Rudolph today. And Catholicism may not preach contrary to the Gospels. If Catholics do so, they are wrong and sinful. All Christian denominations have made a lot of mistakes; humans do that. They do it still. But, the idea is to make progress in understanding and living Christ's faith, no matter one's denomination.
Islam preaches violence; Christianity preaches love, even for one's enemy. The latter is often more difficult, but that is Christ's teaching.

If Evangelical Christians want to go back to the Reformation to stoke their fires of hostility against the Catholic Church, and do not accept Catholic Christianity at least as a valid faith, they are no better than the Muslims who haven’t gotten over the Crusades and still fight among themselves, Sunni vs. Shiite, etc. Look at the nonsense Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell preach. They preach politics, not Christianity. Jesus himself said that God and the Church are not the same province. I grew up with a number of Evangelical Lutherans--they were as much a pain in the arse as Muslims are today! My Catholic mother taught me to work on understanding them as well as my own religion. Today I live in SD, a state heavily populated with Norwegian Lutherans. They are very cordial and we find a lot of similarities in our respective faiths. I have found Lutherans who display a family rosary on their walls. I have found Catholic priests who say that Martin Luther was right, and I, too, think he was, about many important things. We don’t hate each other at all. We get along very well. Often our families intermarry and we share relatives with each other’s faiths. Sometimes we can reconcile our differences, sometimes we can’t, but we love and respect each other, anyway. Often, faith is a journey we are called to take.

Islam has it all wrong, to a Christian. It teaches the opposite of what Christ taught. Do you know what “the opposite” means, Biblically? The word is “Satan.” That says it all.

Muslims have called the US the Great Satan. I have observed that Muslims appear to have a malaise called “Projection.” They project on Christians what they, themselves, are guilty of. They hide their own beliefs and behaviors and blame us. That is human, too. But it is a sickness, all the same. We are wise to be aware of it.

to bob

Submitted by peace on Wed, 2006-02-15 14:13.

yes you are alright islam is perfect ..well done..
those people are like a gang here and it seems that Bob is their head .
they all use the same nasty words then they calim they are civilized hahahh.
if we just compare between words and comments used by muslims and non muslims here everyone will now who is the really civilized strong one.....

ONLY SOLUTION TO ISLAM

Submitted by antimuhammed on Wed, 2006-02-15 10:48.

NUKE, NUKE, NUKE, EXTERMINATE MUSLIMS AND THE WORLD WOULD HAVE LESS PROBLEMS.
THE MOST RACIST GROUP OF PEOPLE EVER ARE MUSLIMS!

THE MOST COWARDICE GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE MUSLIMS.

THE MOST OPPRESSIVE GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE MUSLIMS

THE MOST HATED RELIGION IN THE WORLD ARE MUSLIMS.

THE LEAST FEARED ARE MUSLIMS
WHO WANTS TO FEAR SISSY SCUMBAGS WHO CAN'T FIGHT!

SO THE SOLUTION IS TO EITHER NUKE OR JUST GO AN ALL OUT CONVENTIONAL WARFARE EXTERMINATION OF MUSLIMS AND BURN ALL THE KORANS OR RECYCLE THEM AND MAKE PORN MAGAZINES.

DRAW MUHAMMED WORLDWIDE IN THE SHAPE OF A DICK WHICH HE IS, A DICKHEAD!

MAKE IT AN INTERNATIONAL TO DEPORT ANY MUSLIM WHO WILL NOT ABIDE BY HOST COUNTRY'S RULES OR LAWS. ANY VIOLENT ACT BY ANY MUSLIM COUNTRIES IS TO BE NUKED!

EITHER NUKE THEM OR GAS THEM!
NOTHING BETTER THAN TO USE RAID ON THESE COCKROACHES OF THE PLANET!

THE NEW PRO WESTERN MUHAMMED

Themurky picture is still murky...

Submitted by blukat on Wed, 2006-02-15 07:58.

I am learning all about Islam, but not from Muslims. Muslims do not appear to want to discuss Islam. If the Muslims from this forum are any example, they refer non-Muslims to pro-Islamic sources, but never speak any truth or knowledge from their own points of view and experience.
I think they do not discuss Muhammad because they are ashamed of what he said and did. To discuss him is to make such things known. That is why, I think, Muslims resent his image--it causes people to consider his many faults and deceptions. I think Muhammad himself is the greatest weakness of Islam, and Muslims must know it.
As to the freedom of demonstration in Muslim lands, how do we know it is freedom of expression? Maybe Muslims are threatened by terrorists that they will be killed if they don't demonstrate.
I have noticed that in the US, cults that preach end-times usually visit a kind of Armageddon on themselves (David Koresh, the Heaven's Gate people, etc.). That's called self-fulfillment of prophesy. I see it happening in Islam, for Muslims are killing Muslims shamelessly.
But, when I lived in Minneapolis, MN until a few months ago, most Muslims there seemed to be nice people, minding their own business, and working hard. Islamic culture appears to discourage women from working outside the home and even driving cars, but Minneapolis Muslim women are busy doing it all! Mulim men were happy and hard-working, too. Are Muslims different in the US than in Europe? These Muslims were Somalis. They seem to be happy in the US. I'm sure some are malcontents, but, I have to say, I think the Muslims in Europe, judging from this forum, are pretty mean and ignorant. I can understand why Europeans get their dander up.
I can tell you a couple of things that I have observed about Muslims: When Iranian women come to the US, Islam goes out the window! They love American men and don't let Islam stand in their way. Muslim men who have married American women do well in the US, but teach their children to hate Jews. That's sad, because Jews in America are very nice people and deserve better than that. However, lots of Muslim men drop religion altogether and work on getting along on their way to the American dream.
Well, that's what I have observed, anyway.
With all the tension in Europe, I don't see how the EU can bring in Turkey. The secular state there is almost an artificial entity and does not represent the people. What happens if the EU brings in Turkey and then Islamists seize the government? It could happen. Besides, Turkey hasn't owned up to its genocide of the Armenians. Al Qaeda and Muslim terroists seem to have quite a following--one never hears Muslims criticize them.
Well, I'll keep watching. See what happens.

islam not tolerant or codymega a big liar?

Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Wed, 2006-02-15 12:24.

Question :

How can we prove to non-Muslims that Islam is a tolerant and easy religion?

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Islam is the religion of mercy and kindness, the religion of tolerance and ease. Allaah has not burdened this ummah with more than it can bear. Whatever good it does, it will be rewarded for it, and whatever evil it does, it will have to bear the burden of that sin, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned, and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned”

[al-Baqarah 2:286]

Allaah has spared the Muslims any difficulty or hardship in all that He has enjoined upon them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He has chosen you (to convey His Message of Islamic Monotheism to mankind by inviting them to His religion of Islam), and has not laid upon you in religion any hardship”

[al-Hajj 22:78]

Every sin that a Muslim commits because he makes a mistake, or forgets, or is forced to do it, is forgiven by Allaah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Our Lord! Punish us not if we forget or fall into error”

[al-Baqarah 2:286]

And Allaah says: your prayer is granted.

The Muslim will be brought to account for what he does deliberately, not for what he does by mistake, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And there is no sin on you concerning that in which you made a mistake, except in regard to what your hearts deliberately intend”

[al-Ahzaab 33:5]

Allaah is Kind and Merciful. He sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with ease and the tolerant monotheism:

“Allaah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you

[al-Baqarah 2:185 – interpretation of the meaning]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded.” (narrated by al-Bukhaari, 39).

The Shaytaan is man's greatest enemy. He makes him forget the remembrance of his Lord (dhikr) and makes his sin attractive to him, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Shaytaan (Satan) has overpowered them. So he has made them forget the remembrance of Allaah. They are the party of Shaytaan (Satan). Verily, it is the party of Shaytaan (Satan) that will be the losers![al-Mujaadilah 58:19]

What one’s own nafs (self) says has been forgiven by Allaah, The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has forgiven my ummah for thoughts that cross their minds, so long as they do not speak of them or act upon them.” (Narrated by Muslim, 127)

Whoever commits a sin then Allaah conceals it, it is not permissible for him to speak of it, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “All of my ummah will be fine except those who commit sin openly.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2990).

If a person commits a sin then repents, Allaah will accept his repentance:

“your Lord has written (prescribed) Mercy for Himself, so that if any of you does evil in ignorance, and thereafter repents and does righteous good deeds (by obeying Allaah), then surely, He is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful” [al-An’aam 6:54 – interpretation of the meaning]

Allaah is Generous and Kind, He multiplies the reward for good deeds and forgives bad deeds, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, narrating the words of his Lord: “Allaah has decreed hasanaat (good deeds) and sayi’aat (bad deeds), then He explained that. Whoever intends to do a good deed then does not do it, Allaah will write it down as one complete hasanah; if he intends to do it then he does it, then Allaah will write it down as between ten and seven hundred hasanaat, or more. Whoever intends to do a bad deed, then he does not do it, Allaah will write it down as one complete hasanah; if he intends to do it then he does it, Allaah will write it down as one sayi’ah.” (Agreed upon; narrated by al-Bukhaari, Kitaab al-Raqaa’iq, 81)

From Usool al-Deen al-Islami, by Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem al-Tuwayjri. (www.islam-qa.com)
direct link > http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=10590&dgn=4

codymega liar exposed

Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Wed, 2006-02-15 14:10.

hi their can u pls stop copying and pasting ur lies , whatever reference u giving I urge any sincere non Muslim to look in to it from Islamic sources not the lies u r attributing to islaam and im sure if the reader reads everything u pasted from ur molesting priests , they will disagree with ur claims , pls everyone thr read this Christian fanatic carefully , he may belong to the satanic denomination of Christianity called “speaking in tongues” this particular sect get possed by the demons and talk in languages which was never known to them b4 durring their praying session , how scary aouthubillaah “I seek refuge in Allaah from satan the accursed”
plss all read this guy carefully and than read those refrences meaning look in to Quraan and sahih al bukhari that he is quoting and see fot urself wat a liar n a twister he is
thanx
may Allaah guide u poor soul amen

To Cody Their intolerance exposed may work to our advantage!

Submitted by A New Believer on Wed, 2006-02-15 15:33.

CodyOmega, you are wasting your breathe! It is a dead, done deal. They will never learn and never listen! They are Paranoid and believe we are all in a racist plot. My father said never make a liar out of anyone! If they keep it up there may come a day when scenarios they never want to think about are imposed, as well as sanctioned, by the west. Close your eyes and think of it. The western world bands together and forms the NEVER ALLOW ALLAH AND MUSLIMS TO ZEALOUSLY PROSELYTIZE ON EARTH EVERYWHERE- now that is a little long so let us say that we use the initials instead - NAAMZPEE Party! Dues are nominal at first.. We will more than make up for it in taxes later. First agenda the systemic rounding up and repatriation of ALL muslims in western countries. I know! I know! It will cost..but listen, not as much as you think. Each muslim must report to the police in every town that they are in. They must have all documents and identity papers handy, they must register. They get a new stamp on their papers. They have to pay for the stamps. Sections of the cities can be cordoned off for them. After all we cannot have terrorist elements roaming the street willy nilly..just anytime and anywhere they please. It is harsh. But remember, this is what they want. They have been screaming and demanding censorhip for the press, and free speech ( which actually will work out to our advantage, we can monitor them better.)

1. All muslims must register with the police units in their towns.
(failure to register, they will be shot)
2. All muslims are under curfew. 8pm wordwide.
(failure to keep curfew, they will be shot. technically if your police force wishes a little fun, it could be 8 pm elsewhere when they are shot! )
3. All muslims must be identified.
green and white armbands will be handed out. ( this is their prophets colours)
(failure to wear or to be caught without your armband - you know it by now.. they will be shot)
4. Nationalization of all muslim owned industries, banks, services, restaurants, licquor stores (amazing what the prophet will let you traffic in,though not drink. yes)
(do not worry, if they refuse to give them. up. they will be shot)
5. owing to the need to maintain better protection of course for them, and to allow our respective authorities ease in monitoring their movements. Section of the cities should be cordoned off and made entirely available to them. Not to worry. citizens displaced by such hardship will be recompensed by the new detainees, I mean new transferees own tax fund.
(failure to comply, they will of course be shot)
6. new transferees, please, will of course help in the war effort. Daily releases from the transferee sections to appropriate factories as well as industries will commence and salaries renumerated at a rate the governments in question, will of course have approval over.
7. repatriations back to their respective countries will commence on a weekly basis, of course, taxes will be
charged and collected at the departure area before boarding ships and railway areas. So they will feel comfortable, eypgtian cruise lines will be given a contract to help in the removal I mean repatriation back to their homes.
( refusal to pay the tax or enter the railway or ships..of course they will be shot)

well that does not sound like fun to me, and hopefully it will never happen. but if they want it to. I suggest they keep running their mouths with regard to freedom of speech, supporting silently terrorists and violence against thh west. Because I do not think they truly realize how close the right wing elements in the respective nations are coming. And .. sad to say. many moderates are starting perhaps to feel the same way. Their intolerance and creation of a growing group of Islamophobes in the west, is pushing the envelope.

Sounds like a plan yes. Hmm! I wonder has anyone written the "Protocols of Islam" yet. *cracking fingers together* How soon do we need that now!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

islaam is racist or codymega is a bigg liar?

Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Wed, 2006-02-15 12:14.

Codymega why are you delebretly lkying and giving false refrences , you scumbag and pathetic liar if muslims are racist or islaam teaches racism than how come every year in hajj the world sees thousands of muslims praying side by side in same clothing black nand white European and asian all next to eachother in the same place??? Please don’t confuse islam with Christianity , uyou see in the bible they clai jesus called the non isreali “dogs) u remember the story of a genetile woman bringing her bl,ind daughter for jesus to cure and what was jesus’s respond?” shall I take the bread out of the childrens mouth (meaning isrealis) and give it to the dogs(meaning the genetile woman) u dumb head how dare you confusing islaam with other religions. In islaam racism is a big sin <<< look down moron n read for urself with proper refrences to proof you a liar >>>>These forbidden and innovated celebrations stir up tribalism and racism, and imply approval of what the colonialists did by dividing the Muslims’ land and making it into scattered states and peoples.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who has At‑Taqwa [i.e. he is one of the Muttaqoon (the pious)]. Verily, Allaah is All‑Knowing, All‑Aware”
[al-Hujuraat 49:13]

Allaah created Adam and Hawwa’ [Eve], and made their offspring into peoples, tribes, races and colours. All people come from Adam and Hawwa’, and no colour or race is superior to another. Rather all of them are equal before Allaah with regard to their origins, and the one who fears his Lord the most is the best and most honourable before Allaah.

However people split after this into nations, countries and races, is only like the splitting of a single family, brothers from one father and one mother.

This ‘asabiyyah (tribalism) that is appearing nowadays in most countries, where people form factions on the basis of race, colour or homeland, is akin to the ancient tribalism that existed between the tribes of Aws and Khazraj; it is one of the leftovers of jaahiliyyah [ignorance].

There had been many wars between Aws and Khazraj during the Jaahiliyyah, with a great deal of enmity and hatred, and intense fighting, until Islam came and they entered therein, and became brothers by the grace of Allaah.

After Islam had set their affairs straight and they had become united, a Jewish man passed by a gathering of Aws and Khazraj, and he was bothered by their friendship and unity. So he sent a man who was with him to sit amongst them and remind them of the wars that used to be waged between them. He did that and kept doing it until they were provoked and became angry with one another, and they got riled up and started shouting their slogans and calling for their weapons, and threatening to go out to the Harrah (a place in Madeenah) to fight. News of this reached the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so he came to them and started to calm them down, and said, “Are you issuing the calls of the jaahiliyyah when I am still among you?” Then he recited to them the following verse (Interpretation of the meaning):

“And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e. this Qur’aan), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allaah’s Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allaah makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:103]

When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited this verse to them, they regretted what they had done, and they reconciled and put aside their weapons.

Fourthly:

Islam does not forbid a Muslim to love his homeland or the country in which he lives or grew up. What is reprehensible is basing one’s feelings of loyalty and disavowal on that, and loving and hating on that basis. A person who belongs to the same country as you is not closer to you than a Muslim from another land, and the reason for your loving or hating others should not be whether or not they come from the same country as you. Rather loyalty and disavowal, or love and hatred, should all be based on Islam and piety.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to love Makkah because it was the most beloved land to Allaah, but he did not love the kaafirs who lived there, rather he fought them because they fought against Islam and killed Muslims. Neither he nor his companions ever gave precedence to their love of Makkah over the laws of Allaah, so when Allaah forbade those who had migrated from Makkah to go back to it, except for Hajj and three days after it, they adhered to that and did not stay there for longer than that period. Their love for Makkah did not make them disobey Allaah, let alone do anything that was worse than that.

Today you see that tribalism and devotion to one's country has gone to such extremes that places of shirk are venerated just because they are in one’s country; the flag is venerated because it represents the country, so the people stand and salute it with a reverence that is absent in their prayers when they stand before their Lord.

Fifthly:

Using passports is not regarded as a kind of ‘asabiyyah (tribalism) or jaahiliyyah (ignorance) because the purpose is simply to identify a person and the country of which he is a citizen. If it so happens that some people use them for the purpose of boasting and acting superior to others, or to express tribalistic pride in his country, this is something blameworthy.

Sixthly:

We have mentioned that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) loved Makkah and that he gave precedence to obeying his Lord over his love for Makkah.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Makkah, “What a good land you are, and how dear you are to me. Were it not that my people drove me out from you, I would never have lived anywhere else.”

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3926; classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi and by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5536.

You can also find similar stories of the Sahaabah and those who came after them, by reading their biographies. It seems that the love of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Sahaabah for Makkah was because it was the most beloved land to Allaah, as it says in another report narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 3925: “You are the best land of Allaah and the most beloved of the land of Allaah to Allaah.” Classed as saheeh by Ibn Hajar.

But the natural love that a person feels for the place where he grew up is something that is not regarded as blameworthy by sharee’ah, so long as that does not distract you from acts of worship and obedience which are more important. Hence we see that the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them), Muhaajireen and Ansaar alike, left their homelands and went out to other lands, spreading the call of Islam throughout other countries. They went out for purposes that were nobler than their attachment to land and buildings.

And Allaah knows best.

EMEDA30

Submitted by antimuhammed on Wed, 2006-02-15 10:38.

SUCK ON THIS!
KEEP ON PERPRETRATING YOU LIES ABOUT ISLAM, IT IS UNFOUNDED AND YOU HAVE NO HARD EVIDENCE.
HAVE YOU ACTUALLY COUNTED THE TOTAL MUSLIMS. ANYONE CAN MAKE UP A FIGURE WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE GOOD AT!

YOU ARE BOLD FACE LIAR AND A SCUM OF SOCIETY ALONG WITH YOUR FELLOW BIAS MUSLIMS.

YOUR WHOLE REPORT IS NORMAL MUSLIM PROPOGANDA AND BIAS.

WE IN THE WEST KNOW ALL ABOUT YOUR LIES. ALL OF US NON MUSLIMS KNOW THAT THE LIES PERPRETRATED BY ISLAMIC ASSHOLES LIKE YOURSELF ARE FROM BEING TRUTH. THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC DATA TO SUPPORT YOUR STATITISTICS. IT IS NOT AN INTERNATIONAL RESEARCH. IT IS THE STATISTICS OF MUSLIM FANATICS LIKE YOURSELF.

MOST HUMANS WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR PATHETIC RELIGION. EVEN THE FOOLS ACCEPT ISLAM IS ONLY BY NAME BUT DON'T EVEN READ THE KORAN.

I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND MENTALLY DERRANGED CRIMINAL!

NOTHING YOU SAY IS VALID BECAUSE LIKE NERMIN, YOU ARE ALL TWISTED IN YOUR FABRICATION OF TRUTH. IT IS BASED ON MIDDLE EASTERN ISLAMIC INSANITY.

DON'T EVEN INCLUDE US ASIANS IN YOUR STUPID DATA. ONLY THE INDONESIANS ARE THE MAJORITY MUSLIMS IN ASIA. THE REST ARE SIMPLY NOT RELIGIOUS AND THE MAJORITY WHO ARE ARE EITHER HINDU, BUDDHIST, CHRISTIAN AND NON RELIGIOUS.
YOU'RE A SICK IN THE HEAD AND NEEDS TO BE SLAPPED BITCH SLAPPED CAUSE YOU ARE A BITCH.
PLENTY OF AMERICAN LESBIANS WOULD BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF YOUR SILLY ASS!
GO CRAWL IN A HOLE SOMEWHERE...
DR. LOSER!

EMEDA30 THE REAL TERRORIST

Submitted by antimuhammed on Wed, 2006-02-15 06:24.

INTELLECTUAL INSANITY FROM EMEDA30 IS A FORM TERRORISM...
SHE ACCUSES EVERYONE OTHER THAN HER PATHETIC MIDDLE EASTERN CAMEL JOCKEY ISLAMIC GARBAGE OF BEING BLAMELESS AS IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS AT FAULT.

THE MUSLIMS USE PSYCHOLOGICAL BRAINWASHING AS A FORM OF TERRORISM THRU THEIR INTELLECTUAL JUSTIFICATIONS OF THEIR PHYSICAL VIOLENCE TOWARDS THOSE WHO ARE NOT MUSLIMS.

DROPPING BOMBS, USING WEAPONS AS IF THE IDIOTIC MUSLIMS AREN'T USING AK-47, I.E.DS. RPG'S, KNIVES/SWORD TO BEHEAD PEOPLE AREN'T USING THESE.

WHAT A FUCKING HYPOCRITE EMEDA30 AND NERMIN IS..THESE ARE MUSLIMS LESBIAN BITCHES CALLING EVERYONE TERRORISTS WHEN THE VERY WORD MUSLIM IS EQUATED TO BOTH TERRORISM AND HYPOCRISY.

SO THE IDIOT EMEDA30 IS SAYING EVERYBODY IS A TERRORIST, THAT INCLUDES HER OWN KIND ACCORDING TO HER DEFINITION OF WHAT A TERRORIST IS. WHAT A FUCKING MORON.

SO RUSSIA,CHINS, INDIA AND NORTH KOREA ARE ALSO TERRORIST ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ACCORDING TO HER BUT NOT MUSLIMS...

THE WORST TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS WHO INFLITRATE OUR SOCIETIES AND ATTEMPTS TO BRAINWASH PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING THEIR PATHETIC RELIGION. THE RELGION OF INTOLERANCE, HATE, HYPOCRISY, OPPRESSION, DEVIANCE, STUPIDITY AND DOWNRIGHT LIES.
IT'S A RELIGION OF MURDER, THEFT, VIOLENCE OF ALL KINDS AND THE MOST TOTALITARIAN RELIGION IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERS, MORE DICTATORIAL THEN
THE DARTH VADER'S EMPIRE!

THE WORLD NEED TO START BUILDING CONCENTRATION CAMPS FOR MUSLIMS...

GIVE THEM A CHOICE, EITHER BEHAVE AND BUILD DISCOS! OR MISBEHAVE AND BUILD BOMBS AND END UP IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS.

JUST MAKE PROFESSIONAL HOOKERS FOR THEIR SO CALLED EDUCATED WOMEN LIKE NERMIN AND EMEDA30...I THOUGHT I SAW BOTH OF YOU WORKING ON THE CORNER BAHGDAD SOLICITING SOLDIERS ON ILLICIT SEX...

I SAW A PORN VIDEO TITLED:
"EMEDA30 DOES BAHRAIN!" IT WAS A MUSLIM GANGBANG FEST IN HONORING MUHAMMED!

I ALSO SAW A PORN VIDEO MADE BY NERMIN....NERMIN DOES HOLLAND, sequal to debbie does dallas 2...

and both did "BEHIND THE GREEN KORAN" sequel to behind the green door 2 ! ha..ha..ha..!
guess who produced it...?

MUHAMMED with his 72 virgin actresses..

allah ahkmed, JIHAD GANGBANG!

TALIBAN ANAL ORGIES!

Islam: Religion of Peace??

Submitted by denimini on Wed, 2006-02-15 05:17.

I seriously doubt if Islam is a 'religion of peace'. Do they mean peace as in 'you will be at peace with muslims if you don't cross us'? It seems to me that Muslims always try to find a reason for violent acts. They always look for ways to vent their hostilities to someone else. Maybe it's because of the promise of virgins in paradise... now tell me, who in their twisted, perverted mind won't die for something like that?

Is Islam a disorder?

Submitted by blukat on Wed, 2006-02-15 03:04.

If any Christian, whether saint or sinner (and all men are sinners), condemns women as evil and stupid, he is not following Christ. Jesus was respectful of women’s rights as equal human beings with men and respectful of their intelligence. He forgave women who were repentant as well as men who were repentant. He engaged in intellectual discussion with women (see the story of the Samaritan woman at the well, for one example). He considered that if a woman divorces her husband, she would be committing adultery as surely as a husband would be committing adultery if he divorces his wife. Anyone who professes to be a Christian but believes or teaches counter to the Gospels is exhibiting a cognitive dissonance disorder, as the very least of explanations. But, of course, it happens.

Ghandi made an amusing comment on the Christian propensity for being imperfect: “I would have become a Christian, if only I could find one.” (Paraphrased, more or less.)

Unlike Jesus, Muhammad believed that women were “deficient in intelligence” and should not be given equal rights under Islamic law. He also taught that the majority of people in hell were women. On the other hand, the depiction of women in Paradise is most degrading, for their only purpose is to satisfy the sexual urges of men , chained to different corners!

After the manner of Ghandi, I would reflect: “ I would like to understand Islam, if only I could find a Muslim to explain it.” I marvel at the absurdities my inquiries invoke. However, after many disordered responses, I am ready to invoke Ocham’s razor: If it quacks….

none are so blind as those who will not see...

Submitted by blukat on Tue, 2006-02-14 23:12.

“Thank you sister nermin , emeda julien and jews4jesus I think you guys are the very few on this website who don’t bad mouth or act dumb the rest seems to be very rude and uneducated prime example is amyscout
I thank you all for your well said point of view.
May Allaah bless you all ameen”

“u find here people…really crazy ,paranoid, ,mad and shaken people .”
Submitted by nermin on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:51.
those ugly peopel say it is lies and gave us a dose of tehir ugly mouth who dripps only with nasty words..
“Who ever makes a DIRECT link between Terrorists and Islam is an idiot…Thats just plain stupid (no link no, reason no, excuse).”
Submitted by Jews4Jesus on Mon, 2006-02-13 01:35.
Don’t bad mouth and don’t act dumb????

mark

Submitted by nermin on Tue, 2006-02-14 15:13.

Hamza Yusuf
Mark Hanson

Hamza Yusuf started life as Mark Hanson in Walla Walla, Washington, USA. The son of two US academics of a Catholic and Greek Orthodox background, he seemed destined not for Islamic scholarship, but for Greek Orthodox priesthood until a near-death experience in a car accident, and reading the Quran, diverted his attentions towards Islam.

It was this sudden confrontation with his own mortality that Yusuf has described as being the defining moment that gave " someone who was introspective, perspective." Although, numerous factors interplay in any individual's conversion, it was this vista in particular, that opened up a path of enquiry and reflection that ultimately led to his conversion to Islam in 1977, a few months before his 18th birthday. His brush with death had sparked an intrigue into the afterlife, causing him to study various traditions' views on death. Islam, he found, offered the most detailed account of all.

Furthermore, he found that many of his own values only served to harmonise with Islamic belief. His father, a Humanities Professor and his mother a Berkeley graduate, were fairly active in the civil rights movements enabling a strong awareness of social struggle and justice in the young Mark. "As a westerner, the child of civil rights and anti-war activists, I embraced Islam not in abandonment of my core values, drawn almost entirely from the progressive tradition, but as an affirmation of them."

Simultaneously, the arguments put forward in the Quran drew parallels with many of his own musings. From a young age, he was very much aware of being a product of his environment. The Quran prompted reflection on his perception of life, reality, and religion. Just as his parents were Christian, he had been raised as one, yet the Quran offers many parables of those following the religion of their forefathers without question. The Quran prompted him to look beyond what many take for granted.

After his conversion he left for England where he embarked on private study which was to instill a desire to learn the tradition from its source. It was during this time, in which he was beginning to learn Arabic, that he met Sheikh Abdullah Ali Mahmood of Sharjah who was in England at the time. This meeting was to prove pivotal in Yusuf's life providing him the opportunity to further his studies in the United Arab Emirates.

We will pray for Mark daily

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 15:17.

We will pray for Mark daily to return to his senses and soon, that he may no longer be corrupted by an evil defiler of human beings.

May he return to the churches he came from

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Jeffrey Lang

Submitted by nermin on Tue, 2006-02-14 15:11.

Jeffrey Lang

Dr. Jeffrey Lang is an Associate Professor of Mathematics at the University of Kansas, one of the biggest universities in the United States. He started his religious journey on Jan 30, 1954, when he was born in a Roman Catholic family in Bridgeport, Connecticut. The first 18 years of his life were spent in Catholic schools, which left him with many unanswered questions about God and the Christian religion, Lang said, as he narrated his story of Islam. “Like most kids back in the late 60s and early 70s, I started questioning all the values that we had at those times, political, social and religious,” Lang said. “I rebelled against all the institutions that society held sacred including the Catholic Church,” he said.

By the time he reached the age of 18, Lang had become a full-fledged atheist. “If there is a God, and he is all merciful and all loving, then why is there suffering on this earth? Why does not He just take us to heaven? Why create all these people to suffer?" Such were the questions that came up in his mind in those days.

As a young lecturer in mathematics at San Francisco University, Lang found his religion where God is finally a reality. That was shown to him by a few of the Muslim friends he had met at the university. “We talked about religion. I asked them my questions, and I was really surprised by how carefully they had thought out their answers,” Lang said.

http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/june02_index.php?l=42

We will pray for Dr.

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 15:18.

We will pray for Dr. Jeffrey Lang daily to return to his senses and soon, that he may no longer be corrupted by an evil defiler of human beings.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

paranoid

Submitted by nermin on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:51.

the west abandoned religions and fight islam as islam is fast growing and the are afraid of its spread...
one proof is what u find here in this site..you find peopel who say that they are atheist but they defend christianty and any other but attack islam..
u find here people say that they are not christian or jew and not athesist but also attack islam defend everything and attck islam.
they all share one thing which is their endless love toisrael only because israel is killing muslims on their behalf..
really crazy ,paranoid, ,mad and shaken people .

To Paranoid schizophrenic

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:54.

To Paranoid schizophrenic with other psychotic delusional disorders Makamnaya ( Nermin)! Tell us the truth..Are you still taking your Halidol and your Thorazine?

Because Damn! Your psychiatrist really needs to up the dosage!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

to Bob

Submitted by nermin on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:43.

you only mock and crtisize muslims when they post articles as copy and paste and u call these things rubbish. and u mock them by saying taht they dont have their own opinion and whne they post their opinion u say you want documents and if tehy do you mock them and those ugly peopel say it is lies and gave us a dose of tehir ugly mouth who dripps only with nasty words..
can u dare to say one word even blaming those people u know here for using teh most low standard words one can ever hear..you blamed me on ewhen i say to some one that h e is out of his mind although i was replying to his ugly nasty crazy words
what can u say about yourself excpet that you adopt double standard measure in everything regarding muslims even in here.
your animosity id thousand s years ago and it is very clear..
you want us to leave u this forum for yourself to talk to your self and exchange your ugly words as you like .
really you are not able to open any respected dialogue with others.
you are just ready made for hetrede and black hearted and blindnes.

Hateful, blackhearted and blind

Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2006-02-15 00:08.

really you are not able to open any respected dialogue with others. you are just ready made for hetrede and black hearted and blindnes.

You're not my biggest fan then!!

It's up to you whether you want to converse with me. It's no problem to me whether you do or whether you don't. The main thing I comment on is where people say things which don't accord with the facts.

And no, I don't like people posting chunks of stuff they've copied from somewhere else without giving the author or the link to the source material. If you've studied history you'll know that the source of information is just as important as the content.

The main reason I don't usually comment on postings from people who use foul and abusive language is because they don't encourage dialogue. They tend just to have an angry rant, which I don't find helpful or persuasive.

By the way, if you'd been a user here for more than a couple of weeks you would know that I've frequently been criticised for being too much in favour of Muslims. Strange but true.

Bob Doney

To Bob...sorry about

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:51.

To Bob...sorry about Mkamanaya ( Nermin) this morning, I guess Bashar is not here and she is not getting any today! * shrugs shoulders* Must be hard on Valentine's Day, no flowers, no candy, no dinner, no dancing, no honey, no sex either.. wow! Pay not attention to her.. She is just mad cause a house landed on her sister BoB! *smile*

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To new believer nermin is ur godess

Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Wed, 2006-02-15 11:49.

hi New believer you went abit too far this time ((Must be hard on Valentine's Day, no flowers, no candy, no dinner, no dancing, no honey, no sex either.. wow! ))my sister nermin isnt like you
She doesn’t come online so she can find a man like you did by finding ur late ex Muslim hubby from Syria
Why do you assume all women are like you? Plus in your religion having sex b4 marriage is fine and your religion is quite flexible as far as filth is concerned so u may beable to do your dirty work with ur brethren like amyscout and don but you see nermin is a muslimah(female Muslim) and she fears her creator and she refrains from sins such as committing adultery because if she was to be found guilty of this evil sin(adultery) she will be punished severely unlike you , your religion is too free on such things soooooooooo plssssssssss don’t accuse a Muslim woman of your own deeds thank you . stop telling us how your ex muslim hubby followed you cuz the proof that you went and lived in syria with him shows that you followed him as a cheap wh... n i guse thats was he ended it when he saw who you realy were . All men like to respect women who respect themselves unlike you , sooo dont you dare to accuse nermin of ur deeds , go on bob don n amyscout is there for women like you and im glade my muslim brother got ride of you :) lying bit.... go find another guy thru the net , ohh i got an idea amyscout43 is perfect match for you , wal ghabithoona lil ghabeethaat ( the filthy male are for the filthy female) in your case amyscout43:))))))
bye dear:))

Dating

Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2006-02-15 12:55.

go on bob don n amyscout is there for women like you

Thanks for your intermediary services, IslaamIsPerfect. Does your religion recommend this sort of attempt to encourage adultery and fornication? If so, I'm surprised. Anyway I'm much too old for all that sort of carry-on.

I'm very impressed by the purity of your thoughts, by the way. Keep at it.

Bob Doney

u most welcome bob

Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Wed, 2006-02-15 13:52.

hey bob I can happily say that my religion is million times better than yours at least I am not a lying hypocrite contradicting myself
U see u and that new believer and amyscout seems to be very close friends and u all stand by each other , plus ur friend new believer seems to always call on u when in trouble and was telling u earlier abt nermin and basher n accusing her of adultery when its quite normal in ur religion not in nermins religion
N no my religion doesn’t promote adultery unlike yours
If you r too old to commit adultery r u saying u would of if u were young? Interesting response tells us soooo much abt u n ur faith

u see if I was u and a Muslim I would reply to u as this”no thanx I don’t indulge in adultery its against my religion”
take care bob n try to reconsider ur faith b4 its too late
may Allaah guide u poor soul amen

u most welcome bob

Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Wed, 2006-02-15 13:52.

hey bob I can happily say that my religion is million times better than yours at least I am not a lying hypocrite contradicting myself
U see u and that new believer and amyscout seems to be very close friends and u all stand by each other , plus ur friend new believer seems to always call on u when in trouble and was telling u earlier abt nermin and basher n accusing her of adultery when its quite normal in ur religion not in nermins religion
N no my religion doesn’t promote adultery unlike yours
If you r too old to commit adultery r u saying u would of if u were young? Interesting response tells us soooo much abt u n ur faith

u see if I was u and a Muslim I would reply to u as this”no thanx I don’t indulge in adultery its against my religion”
take care bob n try to reconsider ur faith b4 its too late
may Allaah guide u poor soul amen

Questions

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:05.

The question now is whether the US will decide to continue with its current policies of blindly supporting Israel or decide that Israel must not be above the law and must obey international laws like the rest of world!

Well, that's one of the questions. Another one is whether Iran is going to get nuclear bombs and try to sweep Israel into the sea in a sort of above-the-law kind of way while America blindly looks the other way.

Bob Doney

To CodyOmega

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:41.

To CodyOmega, you are more than welcome. I am going nowhere, no matter what they say or call me. Have some pastries. I am a very excellent chef! :) And the same back to you, I find your articles very informative!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

to the most idiot in this world

Submitted by nermin on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:08.

the christ said i didnot coem to change the laws but to complete..and the holy bible u know contains old and new testament..
if u are embarrassed.in fact there are so many embarrssing things i found that i cannot post here about women in your faked books..
you can direct yoru words to the jews not to us muslims.....
also why you defend christianty ,judaism if you are not ..are u defender of faiths as charles or u just malicious who is ready to defend anything on expanse of islam....
also for whom who said these laws are not applied in Uk..
i want toask him from when it is not aplied...
and this mean s that christianty and juadsism cannot be applied on human life...which indicate ther corruption .
before u start save your mouth dripped ugly words..
and take into consideration that every vulgar words you say will mean you ....
is taht your faiths teach u.
is taht your way to show civilization ..only speak words taht cannot be said in TV infront of children or in any public respected places..
it really refelect teh culture and environment u come from ....

Makamnaya(Nermin) Is the most Idiot - but which one of the 3

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:26.

Makamnaya (Nermin) which one of you is puttin this out here today. Because it certainly is not the educated, english speaking one. When you decide which one of you is talking, then post. We are getting tired of watching you slip and slide all over the slope.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Are Muslims civilisation builders?

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2006-02-14 12:50.

The Islamic Empire took less than 100 years to build -- the shortest such emergence in recorded history. It took the ancient Romans about a millennium to accomplish the same feat.

It took Alexander the Great about a fortnight to build his empire, with a couple of thousand hairy Macedonians, and Genghis Khan not much longer to build his. So what?

I found it very sweet of the author to say that Christianity had a "significant influence" on a few historical trends and events. He's obviously been reading up on such matters.

It's a shame that your heading shows that you don't appear to have read what you post. The author says that Muslims WERE civilisation builders, and COULD BE again, not that they ARE. Did you notice the sentence where it says: "This has resulted in a widespread malaise of defeatism, political fatalism, and the tragic loss of cultural identity"? What do you think he had in mind?

Bob Doney

Dear New Believer

Submitted by Gorm on Tue, 2006-02-14 11:08.

A chilling account of how life is for women in peace loving Islam. Especially the parts which you only vaguely hint feel almost surreal to me and just prove what a gruesome medieval unjust primitive system Islam is.
I do feel with you and it is VERY important that women like you make your self heard in the public debate and stand up to Islam. How about contacting Nonie Darwish?

The Islamization of the west must be stopped at any cost!

I just found this one - the grotesque realities of Islam.
"A True Story on the Lives of Saudi Women"
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/Khaled60130.htm

All the best
Gorm

Where the hell are all the

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 2006-02-14 08:58.

Where the hell are all the moderate Muslims? why cant they take a stance and denounce the more radical muslims? Them radical buttheads would surely be outnumbered if you moderate muslims just take a stand and tell em shitheads that they're being silly over this whole suicide bombing and terrorists shit. Cant you guys get over yourselves and speak out for all the moderate peace-loving muslims in this entire universe because I think only by that way would at least we get a change. Who are we kidding? A non-muslim cant do nothing no matter what they say or do because a non-muslim would always be considered as an 'outsider' and it'll only trigger more problems between the radicals and non-muslims.Where is the 'good' version of Osama Bin Laden and the holy quarter version of 'Al Qaeda base camp'?Come on. If you claim yourselves to be peaceful muslims, at least do that on CNN right on those fucked up terrorists's face.Religious civil war among you moderates and radicals...At least they'll be getting it from their own so they'll butt off

 

in response to posts:

Submitted by rightasrain on Tue, 2006-02-14 07:02.

"Do we have less press freedom because of these restrictions? Islam forbids any images of the prophet period. Even if the images were complimentary and historically accurate, they would still be against the faith."...kofi Adu Jibraeel, we don't have to abide by your religious laws if we aren't Muslim. I wouldn't tell you to take communion if I was a Catholic.

"islam is a nation not a country"...Untrue, julienrl - it's a religion. And that's what makes it all so horrendous when we see a religion using violence. What an oxymoron.

emeda30, you love posting links, don't you, plus reams of paragraphs copied and pasted from somewhere or other. Do you have anything to say for yourself, or do you only say what others say?...

"Leviticus 12:2-5, if a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then she
becomes unclean for 7 days."... Nermin, that's what I meant when I mentioned you live in the Old Testament - always quoting scriptures that have nothing to do with modern times.

armyscout43, please give us a break. We know it all now.

4 + More Type of Fools

Submitted by Intellectual.Zombie on Tue, 2006-02-14 05:56.

4 + More Type of Fools

Saints, Seers, Philosophers, Wizards have Discovered 4 types of Fools.

1. The 1st one is the worst kind of Fool who knows that he is a Fool and wants to learn. He is a Disgrace to the Clan of Fools.

2. The 2nd one is that who does not know he is a Fool, but if someone tells him so, he will agree to learn. And actually starts learning immediately, sincerely!

3. The 3rd one is that who is told that he is a Fool, but he is not interested in Learning.

4. The Greatest Fool ever discovered by Saints, Philosophers and Wizards is of 4th type who actually knows nothing but cocksure that he knows everything. For such type of Fool, it is said that even Creator and Goddess of Wisdom (if there are any) combined, cannot teach him.

I categorize the 4th type of Fool as, "Those who do not know abc (smallest font size) of anything, yet Argue Authoritatively on XYZ (biggest font size) on everything and will go to the extent of eliminating you if you don't agree".

Irony # 1 is, There is no dearth of 4th type of Fools. Entire history of mankind is a sad testimony to un-mindful actions of this 4th type of Fools who invented Man-Made-Calamities; like, Ill-Literacy (Negative Literacy), Confusion, Chaos, Strife, Mass murder, Wars, Misery, Poverty, Rape and Destruction of Mother Nature, and similar Extreme Negative aspects of human nature.

Irony # 2 is, All Fools of the 4th type have made their separate Gangs according to Definitions based upon prevailing local situation, circumstances and of course the level of their respective leader's ignorance to serve as benchmark.

Irony # 3 is, Contrary to general prevailing misconception that "Human beings Think from Head(Brain)", the fact is; "All creatures including Human beings, Think from Stomach".

Irony # 4 is, Conspiracy to secure food for the Gang Members, by hook or by crook, by depriving others or even by killing, is given a good name by the gang leaders; and they call it Religion.

Irony # 5 is, No Religion is Free from Utter Foolishness of its Followers.

Irony # 6 is, It is The Clash of Gangs of Fools to Safe-guard Self-Interests. There can Never be The Clash of Civilizations. Civilized Never Clash.

Irony # 7 is, To Safe-guard Self-Interests Gang Leaders have devised ways and means to increase number of Gang Members by UPS (Uninterrupted Population Supply), Kill or Convert.

Irony # 8 is, UPS method takes 9 months to increase 1 member, KoC method is instant and economical too. Now some gangs have realized that by killing they get bad publicity, so switching to Converting by 4C method, i.e., Coax, Confuse, Corrupt, Cash. This is the best method, as by converting not only 1 member of the opposite Gang is reduced, 1 member of own Gang increases.

Irony # 9 is, To retain Membership of the Gang, Licence to Kill is issues, Carnal Pleasures are ensured after Death and Death Penalty is applicable to those who even think against the Gang's Rules.

Irony # 10 is, The Gangsters in zeal to control the Gang, have converted the Members (read - Fools) into Zombies and Cannon Fodder.

The following 2 types are purely my research! There is scope for addition of more type of Fools and I expect feedback from intelligent persons to add to the list.

5. The 5th type of Fool belongs to category of persons who fail to pass-on this message containing essence of research of our Saints, Philosophers and Wizards, who discovered 4 types of Fools and my analysis.

6. The 6th type of Fool is me, who continue to send this type of thought provoking messages in expectation that one day entire human-race will be 1st class Fools who will affirm that, "I know that I do not know, hence I want to know", and will understand that, "The more I know - the more I know that how much I did not knew and now how much is my desire, capacity and utility to Know more."

after life?

Submitted by Blueblood on Tue, 2006-02-14 05:53.

has any one out there had an experience with life after death. crossing over. i would like to talk with you.

To Gorm

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 00:08.

She is my personal heroine too Gorm! Emeda30, bashar, Onenoson, Makamnaya ( Nermin), Aman, Lilly, The Lady of Shalott.. they want you to believe it is all beautiful and they are holy and right. Some are incoherent with it, some preach loftily and pedagogically,
other hides behind the quran etc. I did not have it the same as she did. Because I did not grow up in it. But I lived with them long enough to begin to doubt my sanity, to be afraid of everyone around me, to worry about simply going to buy food. You cannot leave the country unless you have three stamps in your passport. ( this is married women..does not matter if you are carrying an american, british, french, danish etc. Those three stamps have to be there) If not...they...they put you in prison. Once they do that.. you do not have the right to a lawyer. And your husband can let you linger there as long as he likes.

Islam is peaceful! Islam is protective of women.. what do you think they will do to you Gorm, if you are in .. in custody and your husband has left you there, to teach you a lesson about wanting to go home. What?

I used to think the soviets probably had it bad trailing after each other in groups. Actually I think it was not so bad. They reported on people for certain, the KGB memeber of shopping ours. But they did not spread lies, when one accidently drops a bag of cumcumbers and the saleman picks it up, his fingers touched my own in gloves for a two second interval, I was balancing packages.

Peaceful muslims, my uncle in law the imam said I should be whipped within an inch of my life for my terrible sin. I was a brazen and lewd hussy. My Scandinavian has never worried about me, nor has he ever had a reason to mistrust me. NEVER will. But he is angers by the scars I carry, that I will carry for the rest of my natural life. The scars inside and outside. Scars from peace loving people. I need to leave this now. Yes.. Nonie Darwish is my personal heroine as well.

May Freya stand beside you!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Thank you sister nermin ,

Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:21.

Thank you sister nermin , emeda julien and jews4jesus I think you guys are the very few on this website who don’t bad mouth or act dumb the rest seems to be very rude and uneducated prime example is amyscout
I thank you all for your well said point of view.
May Allaah bless you all ameen

To islamisperfect

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:30.

I have not been mean to You, islamisperfect, but then again I do not talk crap off of Makamnaya (nermin) and her syncophants. By the way, could you since you have some influence or her, get her to decide which one of them is speaking. It is hard talking to one incoherent and uneducated one moment, one sophisticated and certainly pedantic in nature and one who is a cross between the two. Thank you ever so much.

Odine be Praised! Baldur Save Us!