Danish Imams Propose to End Cartoon Dispute

From the desk of Hjörtur J. Guðmundsson on Sun, 2006-01-22 21:31

Update (7 February 2006): The Cartoon Hoax

The Danish imams, who protested the publication of 12 Muhammad cartoons [see them all below] in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten last September, have announced that they want to end the dispute. For four months the imams and their radical Muslim organizations have unsuccesfully demanded government censorship. However, despite immense pressure (also from international organizations such as the UN and the EU) the Danish government refused to call the newspaper to account.

Last week a couple of Norwegian papers decided to publish the cartoons in support of the Danish paper while in Denmark moderate Muslims, encouraged by the government’s refusal to be intimidated by the radicals, have distanced themselves from the imams. The latter announced on Friday that they no longer demand apologies from Jyllands-Posten for the publication. Instead they said they just want two things: a guarantee from the Danish authorities that Muslims can freely practice their religion without being “provoked and discriminated.” And a declaration from Jyllands-Posten that the cartoons were not published with the intention of mocking the Muslim faith. “We want Jyllands-Posten to show respect for the Muslims. This can happen with an apology, but it can also happen in some other way. We will leave it to Jyllands-Posten to come up with some ideas,” said Ahmed Akkari, spokesman of the Muslim organizations. “We want respect for Muhammad restored and we want him to be described as the man he really was in history, and that he gets the respect he deserves,” Akkari stressed that Muslim organizations are still deeply opposed to the publication of the cartoons.

The Muslim organizations and Jyllands-Posten met last week to discuss the matter. “It was a good and constructive meeting. We agreed that we need to find a solution,” said Carsten Juste, editor of Jyllands-Posten. Juste stressed that the meeting was one step in a reconciliation process which the Muslim organizations and the newspaper began in December.

Some sceptics wonder whether the demands of the imams have changed fundamentally. They still insist that Jyllands-Posten admit that publishing the cartoons was wrong and make amends for it. The sceptics argue that the paper should not settle for a compromise on freedom of expression by justifying itself. Others wonder why the radical Muslims appear to be softening their demand and seem so eager to make a deal. Perhaps the decision of Norwegian papers such as Magazinet to support Jyllands-Posten by publishing the cartoons has made the radicals reconsider. Perhaps they fear a domino effect. Some Swedish papers are considering publishing the cartoons as well. If the Swedish government subsequently follows the position of the Danish and Norwegian governments, refusing to interfere and limit freedom of expression, the position of the radical Danish Muslims, who are looking for international support, will only weaken.

According to a poll taken this week among 1,047 people in Denmark 57% of the Danes support Jyllands-Posten’s decision to publish the cartoons, while 31% disagrees. Young people and men are more likely to support the decision. Almost two out of every three males and 61% of people aged between 18 and 25 years of age did so.

Meanwhile an international organization of Muslim intellectuals has threatened to mobilize “millions of Muslims all over the World” to boycott Danish and Norwegian products unless the Danish and Norwegian government condemn the publication of the cartoons, which is called an “attack on the Muslims of the World and on the Prophet.” In Saudi Arabia people are receiving e-mails and sms messages urging them to boycott Danish products “until Denmark offers an official apology.” The Organization of the Islamic Conference protested last week’s publication of the cartoons in the Norwegian paper Magazinet. The Iranian embassy in Oslo said that freedom of expression cannot justify publishing the cartoons. However, Finn Jarle Sæle, the editor of the Norwegian Christian newspaper Norge I DAG, announced that his paper is also considering publishing the cartoons. He called upon other Norwegian editors to do the same. Sæle says that so far many of them have only written editorials supporting freedom of expression but have not dared to publish the cartoons themselves.

Asked if wider publication will not lead to unnecessary confrontations between Christians and Muslims Sæle said the intention was not to provoke just for the sake of provoking, but rather to confront radical Islam in Norway. Perhaps it is necessary to provoke in order to do that, he said. Sæle wants the Norwegian imams to publicly oppose the death threats that have been sent to Magazinet’s editor Vebjørn Selbekk. According to Sæle these threats are not just directed against Magazinet. They affect the entire Norwegian media, not just one editor who dared to stand up for freedom of expression.

More on the Danish cartoon case which The Brussels Journal has been covering from the beginning: Click here (see links at end of article)

Democracy demands tolerance? Rubbish.

Submitted by Charlemagne on Sat, 2006-02-18 18:24.

Democracy does not "demand" anything except that "some" people have the right to vote as to whom governs the state. This is why ancient Venice, the Papal State, Calvinistic Geneva and many other authoritarian regimes with very little tolerance for antiChristian values and attitudes all have the right to call themselves democracies.

----------------------------------------------------Mahomet is no prophet, Allah is no faith, Islam is no religion. Christ will destroy them all.

freedom and responsibility

Submitted by kofi Adu Jibraeel on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:34.

I am not a journalist and may not fully understand what falls outside professional judgment. One thing is certain to me both as a US citizen and a Moslem- the current outcry over the cartoons of the prophet only serves to reinforce the perception that it is not just terrorists (of any creed) that are under attack post 911 but the Islamic faith itself. How do you close ranks with the one billion Moslems of the world to seek out the dangerous elements in their mist (and there are dangerous elements in every faith and creed) if you attack them collectively? If the Prophet is a terrorist then his message and followers must also be same. Those who present the issues under the guise of free press are being disingenuous. Moslems of all persuasions will not protest a paper that satirizes any contemporary Moslem politician, personage or country.
In every society there are norms of decency that guide conduct in the public arena.
In the US the major news media will not show gratuitous images of naked children, battlefield images of our dead soldiers etc…
One could not go to a movie house and scream fire! under the guise of free speech nor could one claim (even falsely) to have an explosive devise in any public arena without being arrested.
Do we have less press freedom because of these restrictions? Islam forbids any images of the prophet period. Even if the images were complimentary and historically accurate, they would still be against the faith. When the images are negative, inaccurate and intentionally provocative at a time in history when politicians and opinion leaders in the West often link a legitimate fight against terror with Islam, nobody’s interest is well served by such myopic grab at the worst in us.Remember that IRA, the ETA,the Timothy McVeigh's etc are not routinely identified with their religious creed. No decent Moslem will take pleasure at a newspaper depicting any prophet negatively. Our respect for the one God who is the source of all revelations ensures that all holy men will be treated with reverence.

to muslim hypocrisy

Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Sun, 2006-02-05 13:48.

its not "APE HYPOCRISY" its hypocrisy learn english u arab coptic khanzir :)
i know u arab coptics have too much hate for islaam dont know why
anyways stop cursing ppl n stoo winging , why dont u go to ur moma to teach u some basic manners? looking at ur texts prooves how iqnorant u r with no manners watsoever , may Allaah guide u poor soul ameen

The number system that you

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2006-02-03 08:23.

The number system that you refer to may be called Arabic but was in fact invented by the Indians and it was the concept of zero not the digit one that made it unique. Surely you cannot possibly defend the intolerant and fanatical response to these cartoons.

please take the time to read this even if u dont agree in start

Submitted by religions r cause of war (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 20:59.

though i sympathise with ur pt i jst wanna point out that 0 and 1 was invented by the indians from where it traveled to mesopotamia or modern day middle east over the arabian sea... and this development helped in the invention of computers...realizing that we cannot take away from the westerners the invention just because they built on that base...it has its own merit.(by the way the first calculation device was built in the far east called the abacus.) also i would like to say that...i am a indian myself and i do not belive in any religion cause over the centuries it has been the most frequent pretext for war and death.in india we have all the religions u might think of ...but the minorities suffer here as well none the less...dont u think the way a person relates to god must be kept in the homes and hearts of the pious and not in the streets and the govt.also if we got to fight with the westerners why not on their own turf ...i mean intellectually .we indians are already on the move stealing their jobs and driving them homeless etc...in our own country as well as going to their own countries and outdoing them.please join our effort irrespective of any religious divide and lets make us "iraqies " (used in a derogatory manner by them for all ppl of brown colour) the most powerfull force in the world and defeat them in this manner so that it is a complete victory from which they can never recover...
urs truly
a friend in this struggle

The appex of the Islamic

Submitted by An American Student (not verified) on Wed, 2006-02-01 06:15.

The appex of the Islamic Civilizatrion was hundreds of years ago. Are you really going to try to take credit or demand respect for achievements that are centuries old? If you wish to follow that train of thought then consider the fact that when the Romans where building roads and an Empire the "Arabs" and the precursors to Islamic civilization where squatting around camels in the middle of the desert. 50 years ago thats still what you where doing and in 100 years, when the world is less reliant on oil, you will be again. Your religion is grotesque and backward, no matter how tolerant you wish to make it seem. Freedom of speech is one of the most sacred rights western democracy has imparted on Human civilization. You are ignorant, your religion is backward and I can not wait for the day when your people are assuredly put back in their place, squatting in the desert where we found you. Filth.

to american student

Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Sat, 2006-02-04 14:11.

American student u idiot u think all Muslims r Arabs?? N we all live in the desert?? N r u truly a student or a patient in a mental hospital ? bgtw where exactly u come from ?? n how did u arrive in america? Have u read ur own history?? Ur ancestry comes from those criminals n bastards who went to America n stole America from its original ppl (red Indians n other like Arabs) do u know Arabs went to america way b4 u but none of them killed red Indians or did injustice to anyone unlike u the barbaric bustards who entered countries like Australia n America , stole it from its native ppl n did all sorts of injustice in the name of Christ
Thanx for setting an example of “a true American student” haha

may Allaah guide u ameen

to islamisimperfect

Submitted by Patriot on Sat, 2006-02-04 14:18.

Have you always been so ignorant??

Re: Western hypocrisy by anonymous on Tue, 2006-01-31 13:12

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2006-02-01 05:06.

Either get yourself an education, or get on your camel and go back to your goat-herding in the mountains. What a brinless idiot you are!

Are you really sure?

Submitted by Marc (not verified) on Fri, 2006-02-03 02:09.

First to say: excuse my bad english, i am german.

Are you really sure, that all that rubbish, you are populate here is of any sense?
I personally don't care in ANY WAY what nation or culture my friends do belong - I don't care, if they are proud of anywhom or not. If you explicitly have to decide which nation is cooler and which nation is smarter - beware of the indian culture which was destroyed by the conquerers. They had knowledge of the world which partially was higher than our knowledge is today.

And, after all, this is one little world you guys should better take each others hand instead of trying to find snippets which show you as a better man than the other. This is poor - so poor. And IF you need those discussion for profiling yourself - take thing YOU did - not things, anyone did in the past - it is not relevant who invented flying - after all it was NO arabic which first thought about that...

If you want to profile yourself - take it with Bob Geldorf - make poverty history - THAT'S IMPORTANT!

Regards, Marc

cant this muslims think the

Submitted by tosin (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 15:12.

cant this muslims think the EU provides funds of about 600 million euros to the palestinian Authority...yearly not one arab contry donates to the so called muslim brotherly state. I blame west for indulging those bastards.
Why when there si catastrophy in those arab world the only place they think of coming is europe why not saudi arabia? coz they all hypocrit bastards. Arabs are camel Fuckers thats for real. NERMIN

support danish and norweigian economy

Submitted by Ron Schultz (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 16:19.

Buy anything you can to support those countries that don't back down from economic blackmail.

Any Danish or Norweigian company that cowers and apologizes for the actions of a free press, yes we should boycott THEM.

Boycott the products of any country that does not respect the freedom of expression. We might have to cut down on oil and dates.

why would i mind having a

Submitted by islamisperfect (not verified) on Wed, 2006-02-01 14:31.

why would i mind having a camel for a ride?????do u ?? after all camel was the best way for traveling in the olden age but as far as the present time is concerned i have a nice porsh n i love driving it:)) cheers n hmm calling me an idiot lol wat can i say to an arrogant fool like u???? who seems to love speaking from pure iqnorance. my advise to u is go to hell :)) n yeah i decide as to where i should live , if i happen to ask u for advise abt it than u open ur trash mouth for now pls keep it to urself thanxx <<<<<<<>>>>>>>

you might as well print swastikas or wave the stars and bars

Submitted by Justin Sarma (not verified) on Wed, 2006-02-01 08:27.

I'm not muslim, so I'm not offended by this, but I am amazed at what a paper will do to get a bit of attention. Would it be furthering free speech to print swastikas all over your paper? I don't think so. I respect your right to publish these cartoons, but I don't respect your decision at all. We all have a right to live in a free society, but that right is constantly threatened by conflicts between groups who choose to use that right to foment conflict.

Binary numbers

Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2006-02-01 00:30.

the very computer u r using today which only understands binary language (01) was invented by the muslims in Arabia.

I think not! Binary numbers were used long before that! And Roman plumbing was simply awesome...

Bob Doney

Binary Numbers

Submitted by Adalazie (not verified) on Fri, 2006-02-03 10:34.

Bob Doney,

Yes, the claim that the Arabs invented the zero is certainly contestable (though the Arabs undoubtedly contributed much to mathematics, not least Algebra, itself an Arab word).

I believe there is a good deal of support for the theory that the Greeks invented the zero, necessary for shipping, in which, of course, the Greeks engaged long before the Muslim golden age.

The Politics of Confrontation

Submitted by dag (not verified) on Wed, 2006-02-01 02:56.

Europeans and modernist Westerners generally do not seem to understand the very word Islam, and certainly not the concept: "submission."

We in the modern world are revolutionaries. We do not recognise that generally. We are revolutionaries and those Muslim populations in the world are not. Our revolutionary lives, no longer stuck in the endless cycles of subsistence agriculture and feudal social relations, are so utterly different from those of the majority of the world's populations that they and we have little in common, certainly almost nothing intellectually in common. Perhaps more important than anything else, we in the modernist world do not "submit." Rather, we think, we analyse, we critique, we grapple with ideas. Muslims submit. They do not think. They accept. That is something we must accept. Muslims are unlike us. We, on the other hand, are so different from the world at large that we are revolutionary.

Free speech is not a long term concept in Human history. Private property is not an old concept. And the right to own ones life as ones private property is new.

To combat the reactionaries of the greater world and to continue our revolutions in the Western world we must continuously strggle against the primitivism of old, especially as it is now expressed in Islam. Modernist adherents to the concept of free speech are a small minority of the world's people. If we do not struggle successfully to retain our modernist rights, then we will sink back to the days of old and submit to the will of Irrationality, as do the populations of Islam.

Our postion here is that to make the situation clear to all involved, particularly to ourselves in the modern world, that Islam is old and stable and until 250 years ago the rough model for all the world's people, we must confront ourselves by making the Muslim world confront us without pretense. We must see the Islamic world as it is-- without illusions. We must understand that our modernity is in conflict with the Irrationalist world of the majority of the world's people. We try to bring that conflict into the open by producing, for example, graphics of Mohammed that are calculated to insult Muslims to the point that they are forced to confront their own reactions to the trivial, and so that we are forced to confront our reactions to our own commitment to Muslims as they are. We are modernists, Muslims are not. We cannot continue to pretend we are alike. We must find our clear differences and deal with them as they are. We can do so by publishing cartoons. Muslims then must deal with reality squarely, and we with their reactions. Then we will know.

http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/

Viva la Evolvution!

Submitted by Emma on Sat, 2006-02-04 20:16.

Sorry, I have nothing yet to add, just thought that Dag's ingenious post deserved another airing.

Submitted by dag (not verified) on Wed, 2006-02-01 02:56.
Europeans and modernist Westerners generally do not seem to understand the very word Islam, and certainly not the concept: "submission."

Free speech is not a long term concept in Human history. Private property is not an old concept. And the right to own ones life as ones private property is new.

Muslims invented the computer? Hahahaha

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2006-01-31 16:36.

"thanks to the muslim world the very computer u r using today which only understands binary language (01) was invented by the muslims in Arabia"

How amusing. You invented the number system and now are taking credit for inventing the computer? Please tell me how many common household products you use that are "made in Arabia by Muslims".

I don't see any Arabic cars on the streets of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar or other Muslim nations. There aren't any televisions, airplanes, DVD players, computers, or other household items invented and built in Arabic nations that they can export to other nations.

So what exactly do Arabic nations export to other nation? Only one thing. Oil. And they can't take credit for inventing that!!!

oh fuk off just b cuz the

Submitted by MUSLIM AND PROUDD on Thu, 2007-03-29 00:26.

oh fuk off just b cuz the ppl from ur home counry dont make shits u dont have to 'try' and put down other coultrie... if ur frum china thats different:P i guess wut im trying to say is dont hate.

cartoon

Submitted by JH (not verified) on Wed, 2006-02-01 21:12.

Would anyone email me a copy of this cartoon?

arroqant fool

Submitted by islamisperfect (not verified) on Wed, 2006-02-01 14:24.

looooooooooooooooooool dats because Arabs r too rich n have better things to do than to build cars n make housework products else wat wil u be doing in the west????? do u get me?? Arabs pay the west to do their jobs :)))) else the poor west will die from hunger if it wasn’t for the money of the Arab world n if u don’t believe me read in to the American economy n see for urself as to how this 'great America' is surviving with the investment of the rich Arabs. Once again why should Arabs waste time in building cars n making housework products when u guys do it for them?? lol n yeah u fool binary language consist of 0s n 1 is the computer language so if the Arabs dint invent this 2 numbers how could the west come up with the binary language which enables fools like u to have a magical appliance called computer?? Ha ha ha u seem to love laughing now laugh plsss n keep laughing n sleep on it aswell <<<<<>>>>>>

Still laughing....

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 13:56.

The only reasons arabs are rich is because of oil. Look at how rich arabs were before the discovery of oil in the early 1900's. How rich were they then? They weren't. Your entire civilization profits from oil, nothing else.

to Anonymous from nermin

Submitted by nermin on Thu, 2006-02-02 14:12.

that i s why you are malicious because god blessed arabs with oil ..which appeared to your knowledage not as you said after we get rid of all french and english occupation from the area not in 1900 as you claim..otherwise..they would hav e never gone..
yes god blessed us with oil and to your teasing saudi arabia which contain our most holy places contain the biggest reservoir of oil in the world..

Why?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 14:25.

The why do you guys come to Denmark, or ever Europe for that matter? Go back to your oil, get out of Europe!

to Anonymous

Submitted by nermin on Thu, 2006-02-02 15:02.

Your are really bastard..i tried to be polite with you but you donot deserve that anymore…so your are happy and proud with the jews who killed your savior Christ while you say that you are Christian…how hypocritic fool are you….
You dare to mention 7 day s war .what about 1973 war when goldamaer cried on the phone to uSA president saying that Israel is dying so he sent her ready jets with pilot to fight the Egyptian army …if Israel is strong why uSA and Europe support her. and why uSA gives her the apatchi and f16 …
Yes tehfinal batl ewill be ours and ask jewish rabbi ..also ask natura karta group which has site on internet and how know better than you that fate of Israel will be death..here is their site mr fool…… http://www.nkusa.org/.
Also here is a useful site for where you canfind how women are mentioned in your facked bible. http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links
And donot forget to be always on the side of your beloved jews whom you burnit in your damned land and whom you say they killed your Christ savior..hhhhhha

nermin drops the veil again

Submitted by grumpy (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 18:33.

Nermin, in some of your interventions you preach that islam is the most tolerant of religions, that JC is a prophet for you as well, that islam has nothing against jews etc...
And the next moment "we no longer deserve" you to be polite (just polite, not honest? just diplomatic perhaps) and we are fools, bastards, we will be killed and the bible is "facked" (surely you typed too fast there).
You think you are doing "the fastest growing religion" a service by your many interventions, but honestly you are opening some people's eyes in a totally different way.
Also I have experienced that when I use arguments in the discussion you no longer reply. Which is fine with me, but gives to think.
I would strongly suggest to all participants on this blog no longer to reply to your interventions. You are not looking for a discussion, you just enjoy a rant and slow the site down.

Narmin its time to pray!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 17:35.

Narmin, you used foul language like "bast.." this indeed reflects where you come from and the teachings you preach!. Either you go for prayer and give us a break from your VALUABLE statements or have a bomb belt around your waist as you may be anxious to have 72 virgins! As for me I was moslem and now is seeing how ignorant moslems are! Few cartoons are leading to such anger and hatred in the moslem world who is utterly dependent on the west. You need to read about the truth of your religion. Rest assure that ignorance will never lead knowledge and one day many moslems will realize the fallacy of Islam..

ok i'm a 21 year old

Submitted by shady (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 18:24.

ok i'm a 21 year old egyptian and i claim that i have the enough knowledge to have a quite clear idea of what islam is ...and i 've never heard something got to do with 72 virgins in islam!!!what's that Mr. anynomous who could only make fun of some spelling mistakes or even some foul language !!what's wrong with not having enough and fluent english yet she has the courage to defend what she believes in??? u clain that u were uslim before ..i just want you to tell me the defintion of islam, what it calls for...very basic knowledge ..i'm sure u'll fail in every answer...and PROVE ME WRONG..
i kinda respect anon11 who seems to be a guy who actually thinks ,speaking from background knowledge at leaSt..even though i totally refuse his endless misconceptions about islam...but sadly i find that most of the people on this forum are just ignorant,airheaded ,close-minded wannabes...i'm really sorry to say this but apparently u guys just wanna have an opinion about everything ..about a religion u don't even know .slow down with watching cnn & nbc and start reading for a change.. and PLZ STOP GENRALIZING THE ACTS OF SOME MUSLIMS claiming they're acting according to islam...they simply don't!!!!!!islam doesn't encourage any inequality between men and women,completely forbid taking lives..i can go on and on... i'm sure u all have the absolute wrong picture of islam...i mean before u judge a religion followed by 1.6 billion people ..get some basic knowledge of what u're talking about.this is truly the core of the problem ...wrong information of islam from all the wrong sources.. !!

Answer from Anon11 to shady

Submitted by Anonymous11 (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 19:09.

"kinda respect anon11 who seems to be a guy who actually thinks ,speaking from background knowledge at leaSt"
Thanks... I think.

"!what's that Mr. anynomous who could only make fun of some spelling mistakes or even some foul language !!what's wrong with not having enough and fluent english yet she has the courage to defend what she believes in???"

You're not talking to me I hope?
If I remember correctly I merely pointed out that I was not sure what Nernim was saying at one point, possibly because of Nernim's less than perfect grasp of the English language.
I then proceeded to add - tongue-in-cheek - "(no offense, my Arabic is no doubt worse)".

"even though i totally refuse his endless misconceptions about islam"
Feel free to correct me, i.e. feel free to refute any statement I have made by offering evidence to the contrary.

"but sadly i find that most of the people on this forum are just ignorant,airheaded ,close-minded wannabes"
You're only referring to those who do not share your point of view, but I'd like to reiterate my previous point: Both sides - as represented on this forum - are making biased uneducated statements. Calling the Jews greedy, comparing them to rats, calling the West morally bankrupt or referring to Muslims as camel fuckers does not promote constructive dialogue. Who knew!
Perpetuating unfounded stereotypes is the antithesis of civilized debate, but, sadly, this is an acitivity numerous posters - Muslim and Western alike - do not care to engage in.

to anon... i kept typing a

Submitted by shady (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 21:25.

to anon... i kept typing a reply to you for the past half an hour clearing things up and i can't believe i lost it!!..i'll try to clarify once again few points

1)"You're not talking to me I hope?"

no, i wasn't talking to u there was this guy who was mocking nermin for her mistakes using this to show that arabs are actually an ignorant illiterate inferior race..

2)"Most other religions are static and resistant to change, some even reactionary."

i'm not sure how islam can be resistant to change and static..and on what basis are u willing your religion to change...can't u see all the contradictions in the MANY !! bibles u have nowadays resulting from continous change over the decades..i can shock you with all the contradictions which is opposing to the core and the spirit of christianity..

3) "Do you have any idea how much relief and aid developing countries receive from the West? "

once again here you are referring to the actions of human beings in charge of strategic positions like EU..now u're talking politics...i'm not saying u're wrong..but u're actually off point..the main problem is the lack of understanding of the islamic tradition leading to our present crisis..

4)"Jyllands-Posten were entitled to publish those cartoons and YOU are free to demonstrate and call them disrespecful fools for doing it"

you have to understand that there are red lines we cannot cross..and without these red lines the world would be in a crazy chaotic state..full of hatred and wrath..let's say we're friends and everything and all of a sudden i start mocking everything you believe in ,making fun of all that is sacred to you..how would u feel about me??drawing the prophet(pbuh) was a huge mistake ..just drawing a good picture of him is actually something that is totally prohibited and forbidden in islam..it was initially banned to avoid idolatry as in the case of christain nowadays ..instead of worshipping the god who created jesus christ (peace be upon him) and believing in the message he delivered they practically worshipped jesus the creature forgeting about the creator of all things..

5)stop jumping to conclusions upon watching CNN,stop relating lunatics' words claiming they know anything about islam to the true traditional islam..it's only a matter of knowledge..so plz start reading..

Pictures of Mohammed

Submitted by Bob Doney on Thu, 2006-02-02 23:21.

just drawing a good picture of him is actually something that is totally prohibited and forbidden in islam

I thought that pictures of Mohammed are freely available in many Islamic countries. Is this not true?

Bob Doney

to Mr Bob from nermin

Submitted by nermin on Fri, 2006-02-03 11:56.

for how many times should we say that we don’t have any photos of the prophet in our countries. is that amazing to that extent to you…you should have realized from the that big outrage about these photos that it is the first time that muslims see such drawing.
No matter what some people here says that there are drawing in some countries long time ago but this is not logic because I challenge any of you if anyone could find such photos presented, shown and of course sold in any Islamic country.
I challenge you to find any type of pictures or statues in any mosques ..so donot fool yourself more….
This total ignorance will not lead to anywhere.

to Mr Bob from nermin

Submitted by nermin on Fri, 2006-02-03 11:51.

Total ignorance

Submitted by Bob Doney on Fri, 2006-02-03 11:59.

so donot fool yourself more….
This total ignorance will not lead to anywhere.

I asked a question, Nermin. You answered it. But do you have to be so rude?

Bob Doney

Applaud your idea

Submitted by US_Marine_vet on Sun, 2006-02-12 07:30.

You got the right idea. Civilized, evolved intellects don't need to throw nasty little names and get people feeling defensive. The world is getting smaller...We have to live with each other. tolerence is good; cooperation, compassion, hear hear, lets bring back the days of morals and ethics.

Pictures of Mohammed

Submitted by Adalazie (not verified) on Fri, 2006-02-03 10:56.

"I thought that pictures of Mohammed are freely available in many Islamic countries. Is this not true?"

No, it is most definitely not true. *Any* depiction of Mohammad is considered utterly blasphemous in the Muslim world.

Italics on this page

Submitted by Adalazie (not verified) on Fri, 2006-02-03 11:01.

How you post text in italics here? I've tried it but it doesn't work.

Italics

Submitted by Bob Doney on Fri, 2006-02-03 11:26.

Use the HTML "cite" tags:

"cite" This is in italics "/cite" - only use <> instead of "!!!

Bob Doney

I'm a christian

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 23:30.

Since we're talking about religion...

The difference between christianity and every other religion,

is that our God died for us.

To the angry arabic chap from the first page:

Submitted by Si Brandon (not verified) on Fri, 2006-02-03 11:52.

To the posters - Arab and Western - bickering about who invented what: you are missing the point entirely.

Arab fellow - "How dare you, you have no respect, you are all hypocrites, so-called democracy, etc etc"

Your position isn't tenable if you profess to have no respect for liberal European values. Your argument becomes: I don't respect your values. How dare you disrespect mine.

Tolerance - and freedom of speech is a huge part of this - works both ways. We need to respect each other, but shoudln't we also all be strong enough in our beliefs to disregard the opinions of those who make fun of us?

And to I'm a Christian: Sanctimonious rubbish. I think what you mean is "We believe our god died for us". Statements of fact like that have always been part of the problem.

paranoid personality

Submitted by nermin on Fri, 2006-02-03 12:01.

In this site some people suffer from paranoid personality…the same one says that he is secular .after few seconds ,he says that he is Christian and hid god died for his own eyes..then after a minute he says that religions is the origin of all problems and wars and that no need for it..then he says that all ideology about god is faked.
I hope there is here an archive for every user to just collect his comments together and laugh a lot…

To Christian. . .

Submitted by TLS (not verified) on Fri, 2006-02-03 09:13.

"The difference between Christianity and every other religion is that our God died for us."

Did you get that off of a bumper sticker?

That would be so poetic, so sublime and so all-inspiring in its simple perfection. . . if it only was remotely true.

Pick up a world history book sometime and look up the 11th and 12th centuries. . . then, start looking for references to the Catholic Church and Jerusalem. You will find that the church hierarchy was quite upset because Jerusalem was inhabited by infidels: Muslims. Of course, remember that the Muslims (descendants of Abraham via Ishmael) came into possession of Jerusalem by conquering the former inhabitants, Roman Christians, who had taken it from the Persians, who had taken it from the Christian Romans who had converted to Christianity a few hundred years earlier after killing Christians for sport for a few hundred years before that - that is, after they had taken it away from the Jews (descendants of Abraham via Isaac) who had taken it from the Pagan Romans who had taken it from the Jews (probably the great-grandparents of Jesus) who had taken it from the Pagan Greeks, who had taken it from the Persians (who may or may not have fully accepted the monotheistic teachings of Zoroaster), who had taken it from Babylonians (golden calf). . . etc.

You getting the picture yet Christian?

Anyway, turning the page, you will find an order known as the Knights Templar who fought in these things called the Crusades.

Does any of this sound familiar? Hello?

If you read a full accounting of what happened, you will see that it ends with a religious/ethnic cleansing worthy of Hitler (another "Christian" who thought that Jews, rather than Muslims, should all die because they killed Jesus even though Jesus himself was a Jew). You will find accounts of the rape and murder of Muslim men, women, and children and scorched-earth pillaging of every place along the way - all in the name of the Christian God.

If that was too complicated for you, how about this one: During what became known as the Passover, your loving and infinitely merciful god personally executed all of the innocent firstborn Egyptian children as they slept in his own name. How's that boastful pride of yours doing right about now?

You're so wrong that you're almost right again - you willfully ignorant, pathetic, ridiculous fool.

ALL religions have killed, currently kill, and will continue to kill members of other religions in the name of God/Allah/Yaweh. Religions represent the worst in humanity - conduct based on blind faith in absolute assertions of law, moral values, historical fact, and life beyond organic death without even the slightest influence of thoughtful inquiry and questioning on which to hinge their so-called truths.

The Quran, The Bible, The Torah - All 100% Unnecessary Rubbish. None of them teach any worthwhile moral that can't be alternately derived from the thoughtful, empathetic human experience while all of them necessarily teach hatred via the exclusion and ultimate judgment and destruction of non-believers. Proclamations of absolutes outside of the framework of universally informed HUMAN emotion will undoubtedly lead to irrational exuberance and belief in one's relative superiority over others. This leads to a test of wills between sects falsely justified by that same delusional notion of holy entitlement.

If you're all so enlightened, why have you been fighting each other for 2,000 years? Why is it that 3 religions that profess loving acceptance of humanity can't even muster the will to keep from killing each other ad infinitum?

While the three of you fight it out, the rest of the world suffers. Resources that could go to elevate all of mankind, to educate, to feed, to clothe, and to cure are squandered on death and destruction - all over a single city, all over dead dinosaurs covered in sand, all over your juvenile, spiteful, arrogant, pathetic little gods. That's it - keep pointing your fingers at the other guy. . . bastards.

I'm a christian

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 23:29.

Since we're talking about religion...

The difference between christianity and every other religion,

is that our God died for us.

This is entertainment

Submitted by TLS (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 23:09.

I stumbled on this whole fiasco this morning and just HAD to see just how far the tempest in a teacup had spilled out of its banks.

muslim: quit making fun of my god or prophet or whoever - that hurts my feelings so i'm going to kill you by blowing myself up. you're mean and we're great because we did so much 1400 years ago and i know i'm right because it's in this book written by dead guys about imaginary guys so that we're not scared to die and we can control people, especially women.

jew: quit making fun of my god or prophet or whoever - that hurts my feelings so i'm going to keep you poor and miserable by taking away your rental housing. you're mean and we're great because we did so much 3000 years ago and i know i'm right because it's in this book written by dead guys about imaginary guys so that we're not scared to die and we can control people, and world markets.

christian: quit making fun of my god or prophet or whoever - that hurts my feelings so i'm going to kill you with the latest and greatest weapons money can buy. you're mean and we're great because we did so much 1000 years ago and i know i'm right because it's in this book written by dead guys about imaginary guys so that we're not scared to die and we can control people, and world culture.

zen buddhist: come back later, i'm meditating - did you hear that?

hindu: come back later, i'm "tantrically engaged" right now - did you notice that quantum experience?

humanist: this is all so sad, can't we all get along and nurture the best in ourselves and others? binary doesn't give mankind enough choices, so we don't use it.

agnostic: piss off (1010100101 in binary).

Many greetings from Saint Louis, Missouri, USA, home of at least person who loves seeing a battle between two sides who, no matter how much they try, will never convince the other of moving their position 1 millimeter - check out the yank using the metric system!

by the way,i don't know if who invented what is really important at this stage in the game, BUT i would like to extend many props and even some well-deserved snaps to the japanese for their wonderful electronic products. don't despair those in the EU, i own an harman kardon reciever and love jamo speakers and use many other european products. as far as my fellow muslim humanoids, i love the oil under your countries - keep it coming my brothers in fossil fuel - i hope you continue to develop your high-tech industries so that one day i may be driving my european car with my asian girlfriend, listening to my jihad electronics (JE) martyr-series amp and subs. . .

peace and love, incorporated

From Anon11 to Shady

Submitted by Anon11 (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 22:15.

The Brussels Journal is apparently having problems handling this much traffic so I'm sure it's not your fault - I've had the same annoying(!) thing happen to me. But you missed some of my questions so if you get the time ...

"i'm not sure how islam can be resistant to change and static"
I believe I already detailed some of the contributing factors directly and indirectly by citing some of the qualities of the West (and Christianity) as well as a Muhammed quote. If need be I'll elaborate, but for now I'll mention another important factor related to this issue:
the theological youth and thus "inexperience" of Islam coupled with the lack of an equivalent of the Protestant Reformation.

"i can shock you with all the contradictions which is opposing to the core and the spirit of christianity." I seriously doubt it. I've studied many of these contradictions in relative detail so I'm familiar with quite a few of them. One of the many reasons Christians do not tend do dwell on them is because we realize - as I mentioned - that the Bible was written by men who by definition are fallible. Muslims, on the other hand, consider the Quaran a holy book that is beyond all doubt.
Thus I suggest you check out the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, which is freely available online, if you like reading about such contradictions, but I urge you to check out their "walkthrough" of the Quaran as well.

"you have to understand that there are red lines we cannot cross..and without these red lines the world would be in a crazy chaotic state"
That is where our paths diverge, my friend. Those red lines are already clearly outlined in Western legislation. If you take issue with a statement made in a society with freedom of speech you report the matter to the police. It's a matter for the courts.

"stop jumping to conclusions upon watching CNN,stop relating lunatics' words claiming they know anything about islam to the true traditional islam..it's only a matter of knowledge..so plz start reading."
I have no idea what you're referring to here. If I have said something factually inaccurate, please point it out to me.

I have a question: Could you point out the exact place in the Quaran which explicitly forbids depicting the prophet? (I was not able to find it myself).

to anon11

Submitted by shady (not verified) on Fri, 2006-02-03 05:15.

"the theological youth and thus "inexperience" of Islam coupled with the lack of an equivalent of the Protestant Reformation"

i think this whole statement is absolutely irrelevant to islam ..and sounds extremely weird to me.!!! inexperience of islam??!!

"I seriously doubt it"
plz refer to http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.h...

first of all i would like to stress on the fact that i believe in the bible just as i believe in quraan ..it's part of my islamic belief and it's a must in order to be a believer in the first place.. now tell me if u can explain all of these contradictions..it's really weird how can i ever trust anything the bible says if i have only one contradiction..how can i follow a book written by human beings ,altered throughout the decades and it's supposed to be the most important book of my life..!!!which one shall i follow ??one bible says something and u can read the exact opposite in another one.and i'm not talking about the little things..i'm talking big issues like the nature of christ ,his destiny , his mission.. .i've read sooo much contradictions..i also heard debates between priests and imams ..i've listened to how uncertain and weak points the priest were able to make regarding the very basic pillars of christianity ..on the other hand it only takes a pure heart and a brain to figure out that the ARABIC words of the quraan can not be human!! .and when u think of it that was the greatest miracle of islam..coz at the age of muhammad (pbuh) the arabic language was at it's peak..arabic was very very sophisticated and proffesional..so coming up with a linguistic masterpeice with absolutely 0% mistakes in terms of grammar,amazing style, holiness ,science(some scientific facts in the qura'an were recently discoverd in our age) ,history and most important a path to walk on leading to everything people dream of achieving nowadays through human rights legislation and all of this..coming up with such words from someone who doesn't even know how to read or write is truly beyond ur undersanding..acoordingly i'm also sure u've never experienced the pleasure of absolute certainty that you 're reading the words of the creator of all things..i simply can't explain..we can argue forever about which religion is the best but it's pointless ...the religion is very deep inside of us and we'll never accept the fact that one of us is right...

that was an advice to all the non-muslims reading my comment

"Could you point out the exact place in the Quaran which explicitly forbids depicting the prophet?"

remember i'm not a scholar or a sheikh or anything ..i'm just a guy who tasted a little bit of how magnificent and amazing this religion is...i experienced certainty,peace,an elevated state of mind which i couldn't find with anything else..
as for sal3m ...it's really sad to see someone hiding under a pile of lies and manipulated information..u have a deep sense of insecurity u have to work on dealin with that...the sites u're introducing is amazingly stupid..this doesn't even worth the effort to reply to..thanx anon for being much more civilised than then most of the people around here...

religion is garbage

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2006-02-03 05:32.

It is pretty obvious by now that religion is total garbage.

The Muslims are just the latest in the display of god-bothering hypocrites that demand bloody revenge for their imaginatry deity being dissed.

Every other religion has had a go at this role.

Come on! We know by now about Darwinism, and we know that a secular society is the most peaceful and prosperous.

Muslims of course get to appeal to the idiotic political correctness that Europeans ahve had shoved down our throats by traitors in our midst who would lie to us and screw us in taxes to pay their salaries as advocates of the oppressed when it is us ordinary citizens who are oppressed.

Please people let us fight for secularism and freedom, like our ancestors fought against intolerance and oppresison. We thought they won the battle for us but it stil goes on.

Mr 21 yrs

Submitted by Sal3m (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 22:28.

Not only you seem ingnorant about 72 virgins, but many facts about Islam that we were intentionally barred to see and learn about. You need to open your eyes and read other writings rather than calling for the west to become as blind as people in the moslem world.
Go and visit these websites as I am sure you cannot access them in the moslem world. Islam has to be seriously rectified otherwise goodbye alibabab!!
maybe oneday you & other moslems will be grateful to sal3m for these websites!!

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/mariyah.htm
http://www.islamundressed.com/#_Toc113793210
http://answering-islam.org/index.html
http://www.ladeeni.net/pn/index.html

A Question About Islam

Submitted by LoPull on Thu, 2006-02-02 22:13.

It wasn't so long ago that virtually every Muslim on the planet was outraged by reports that US troops had desecrated the Koran. I'm not here to debate if that did or didn't happen, only observe the result of the reports and table a question about them.

For days there were protest, flag burning, threats against the west and the US in particular. Some of the marches in Islamic countries (oddly enough) even ended in the deaths of some of the protestors. There was no middle ground only universal condemnation by Muslim countries.

Then, within days, I read on AlJazeera's web site about a car bombing at a Shiite mosque in Bagdad. In this explosion 84 people were killed, many of them at the entrance to the mosque. Of these 84 most were women and children. Sunni's took credit for the attack.

My questions are;

Does anyone think that even ONE copy of the Koran was desecrated, say... with the blood, brains, and torn and burned flesh of any of the women, children, and entire families slaughtered at the mosque?

Why is that acceptable? I suggest acceptable because those very people and countries that were lined up in their shrill and self rightous condemnations against the west and the US, were strangely silent. Why is it ok for Muslim to kill Muslim and women and children to die in those sectarian attacks? Sunni's and Shiite's killing each other in the name of Islam... I suspect that both sides have very strong feelings about why THEY reflect the REAL Islam.

Islam should clean it's own house and moderates once again take control of their religion. For milleniums Islam survived in it's purest form. Now, hardliners are practicing a form of Islam that wouldn't be recognized only a decade ago. They have hijacked the worlds biggest religion and Muslims don't seem to care.

TO ANONYMOUS

Submitted by shady (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 20:47.

to anynomous...shall i now judge your religion to what u just said..."kill them all" what kinda stupid mentality is this???the biggest extremist in the muslim world .. i think the one who hates the west the most much more than u hate muslims, the most wanted man on earth(Osama bin laden) can never make such a statement ..!!i don't even like they guy or anything...but u sound just as crazy as him...i recall prophet muhammad when he was greatly offended ,insulted by his own people after god revealed the message of islam to him..and in the middle of the battle when his face was all injured from spikes in the ground and his shield penetrated his face...in the middle of his weakest point ...the scholars were begging him to ask god to help them against the disbelievers as they were greatly outnumbered ...and the prophet was answered by god in every single occasion he prayed him for something...but he didn't ask god for anything ..HE ONLY ASKED GOD TO FORGIVE THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH.. PRAYING THAT SOMEDAY THEIR DESCENDANTS WOULD WORSHIP THE ONE AND ONLY GOD (ALLAH)..this is the man u're insulting today ...this is muhamad (PBUH)..ofcourse i don't blame u as you clearly show signs of complete madness and brain malfunction ..my advice to you is to get yourself a pshycological expert..

from nermin to shady about this anynomous

Submitted by nermin on Thu, 2006-02-02 21:05.

let you from this anynomous...he is mentally retarded and doesnot deserve your attention or to waste time with him..total ignorance to such person is thewise thing.....
once the chrsit passedd by some jews so he greeted them saying peace they replied saying curse so he said everyone spent from what he have.
hitler is considered innocent compared to this anynomous .
you can check what he sai dtoday if those posting are still present.
h ewanted hitler to kill muslims instead of the jews....
he knows arabic very well but h eis hiding his original identity but i know his reality so well.

Answer from Anon11 to shady

Submitted by Anonymous11 (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 19:07.

"kinda respect anon11 who seems to be a guy who actually thinks ,speaking from background knowledge at leaSt"
Thanks... I think.

"even though i totally refuse his endless misconceptions about islam"
Feel free to correct me, i.e. feel free to refute any statement I have made by offering evidence to the contrary.

ok i'm a 21 year old

Submitted by shady (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 18:23.

Dint

Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2006-02-01 15:17.

u fool binary language consist of 0s n 1 is the computer language so if the Arabs dint invent this 2 numbers

They dint.

Non-Arabs 1, Arabs 0.

Bob Doney

to don

Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Sat, 2006-02-04 14:01.

don u should change ur nick to donkey :) cuz u seem to have a problem as far as talking sense with an intelligent mind is concerned , im not in a way trying to put u down by calling u a donkey im rather insulting the donkeys here by calling u one , because im sure even donkeys could think better than u :) ur numeric example is nothing but an example of the state of ur lil mind , u cannot seem to think much n thus keep going on n on abt 0s n 1s lol get over it pls may Allaah guide u the poor soul ameen

They dint.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2006-02-01 15:27.

They dint.
Non-Arabs 1, Arabs 0.

haha, well said.

from m nermin to Bob , why you didnot reply tome

Submitted by nermin on Wed, 2006-02-01 15:22.

i think you donot have eanything to reply to me , right?

Reply? To what?

Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2006-02-01 15:25.

i think you donot have eanything to reply to me , right?

What about? You don't seem to have posted any message in this thread?!!!

Bob Doney

the real problem

Submitted by Ron Schultz (not verified) on Wed, 2006-02-01 15:50.

I agree with the muslim: christians, hindus, buddists and other superstious fools are just as stupid as the muslims. Most religious people are hypocrites, they can be violent even though their religion talks of peace, they break most of their holy teachings rules when other religious people are not looking, and basically they have chosen, by obsessing on their supersitions fantasies, to be ingorant people. Ignorant, unintelligent people tend to react violently when confronted with ideas that are different from their own. And these superstitions are prevalent in nearly every corner of the earth.

to lars from nermin

Submitted by nermin on Wed, 2006-02-01 15:29.

James A. Michener, "ISLAM: THE MISUNDERSTOOD RELIGION," in READER'S DIGEST (American edition), May 1955, pp. 68-70.
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."
Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33.

from m nermin to Bob , why you didnot reply tome

Submitted by nermin on Wed, 2006-02-01 15:22.

i think you donot have eanything to reply to me , right?

the arab and others

Submitted by f (not verified) on Tue, 2006-01-31 22:41.

you may say that we are useless (as i understand from you ) but can you live without the oil
yes we dont have tecno products to expot
but know this we are a grate nations we have our history and glorry from over than 1400 years
we invented the airplan(the first one thought about flying was a muslem)
we know that the earth had the egg shape from over than 1400 years
we have thousnts af men and women that went to abroud and make the dreams come trought
so i guess we are proude of what we had and proude of what we are

to F

Submitted by antimuhammed on Wed, 2006-02-15 06:41.

YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT LIKE NERMIN AND EMEDA30...

THE WRIGHT BROTHERS FUCKING MADE THE FIRST AIRPLANE. THE CONCEPT WAS CREATED BY LEONARDO DA VINCI...
YOU ASSHOLES ARE THE LIKE THE RACIST BLACKS IN AMERICA WHO CLAIM EVERYTHING CAME FROM AFRICA WHICH IS DIRECT INSULT TO THE MANY RACES WHO DEVELOPED DIFFERENT THINGS.

I SEE WHAT MUSLIMS ARE DOING AS AN ACT OF WAR AGAINST ASIANS THAT ARE NOT MUSLIMS WHICH IS THE MAJORITY...
DEATH BE UPON YOU FUCKED UP MUSLIMS. MUSLIMS DIDN'T INVENT ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR TERRORISM, HATE AND MURDER, CAUSE YOUR FATHER IS THE DEVIL, SATAN!

THE FIRST MUSLIM TO FLY WAS FROM AN EXPLOSION. HE FLEW ALRIGHT STUPID DICKHEAD!
NO WONDER WHY YOU MORONS LOOK LIKE FUCKING GOATS!

MUSLIM WOMEN ARE UGLY, MIDDLE EASTERN WOMEN THAT ARE NON MUSLIMS ARE BEAUTIFUL...AND SEXY....ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE WESTERN!

MUSLIM MALES, THE UGLIEST PIECE OF SHIT ON EARTH AND OTHER PLANETS. YOU ALL LOOK LIKE GOAT SHIT!

MIDDLE EASTERN MEN WHO ARE NOT MUSLIMS, EDUCATED, BODYBUILDERS, ATHLETES, AND PRODUCTIVE...
SO WHY NOT BE LIKE THEM INSTEAD OF DESTROYING YOURSELVES WITH A FUCKED UP RELIGION. MUHAMMED SUCKS, ALLAH SUCKS, CAUSE THEY ARE BOTH DEMON AND DEVIL!

Muslim cartoon reaction....

Submitted by anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2006-01-31 16:25.

If a muslim did print a picture "of denmarki president sucking other men’s bottom n showing his wife helping him by doing so??" nobody in Denmark would call for bombing the muslims house and place of work. Only muslims respond in such a barbaric and uncivilized manner which should give everyone in the world who is not a muslim reason not to trust them.

ya im sure tht even if the

Submitted by sumera on Thu, 2006-02-16 06:55.

ya im sure tht even if the news paper had publised a cartoon showing "of denmarki president sucking other men’s bottom n showing ur wife helping him by doing so??" u wouldnt bother.
BUT this is not about a president it about OUR BELOVED PROPHET MUHAMED.

So watch it when u talk.

Big Mo's Show!

Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:46.

I hate rap music.. not a friend of hip hop either..but decided to write this song! ( My apologies going out to all rappers black, hispanic, asian, white and native american. I May not like your music.. but YOU do have the right to write it, sing it and play it! So I hope they will take this tongue in cheek, as well as being free expression. I think will!)

BIG MO's SHOW!

chorus:

Excuse me. Excuse me! We doan care bout
Mohammed 'n his floozies! 72 word
Excuse me. Excuse me! We doan care bout
Mohammed 'n his floozies! 72 word

muslims on brussels journal always throwing down,
tellin us bout mohammed another muslim clown.

talk bout mohammed put fatwa on ya ass
sayin they capping anyone who doan believe they way

hitting on little children ya know that that's a sin
den ya yaself an olda honey, try to get it up agin

bringing down a caravan just ta get the bling
killing all the peeps who his praises dey woan sing

followers running round like da crips 'n bloods ya see
doin suicide drivebys ta get them on TV

cryin 'n lyin 'n sayin it ain't fair
making islamophobes 'n now they wanna care

number 'n dey religin they allus changing
see
dey was a lil over 1 billion now they say it 43 ( billion served) word

no drinkin, no funnin, no happiness ya see
dey womens get no lovin, 'n dey men is all UGLY!

da mullahs 'n da imams lyin beotches all ya see
ifn ya doan believe me ask Danes, dey tell ya free

da mullah o da imam he gets a fire in his ass
den dey callin fo da followers to blow up on ya ass

but da followers of MO hammed dey aint
prejudice ya see
cause de killing eveybody, je like you'n me

puttin down some heavy bullshit in the press 'n on tv
cause they doan wans people talkin bout bads bout MO hammed doan ya see

two young homies in thailand, set ta music getting down
some words from da quran they thought
was kinda sound

in da cd dat dey cut was no cursin or lewdness
now de muuslims in Thailand wants ta chops off dey bizness

like dey wasna makin fun dey was jes diggin it ya know
word up! dey was singin bout it bein a stone groove

now they runnin fo dey lives
damn man!
good or bad wit dese muslim ya allus gonna loose

slayin paintahs 'n cartoonists, writers 'n all de peaceful peeps
makes ya wanna bitch slap dat MO hammed
n hiz crazee freakin peeps

imams tellin peeps we wuz wipin asses wit
korans on tv
cause I heard it on al jazeera on da 6 o'clock ya see!

lyin 'n dyin'n bringin peeps down, but he ain' writ no quran, cause he couldn' put words down

like da rumor game it wuz written 'n I show ya all about
cause he say the words came from god to hiz mouth

then de passed onta samir, n ahmed n jaleel, n achmed n yusuf n tommy n jibreel

we gots no clue as ta what was first said
cuz fifty of them arabs been writin down instead.

the beginnin of the prayer, they wuz facing jerusalem, den his peeps in his tribe said wait a minute slim

dey had a little somepin at da Ka'aba going down. running tickets n shows fo one o dem old gods in de town.

so da prhpeht he wen 'n changed it, so they visitin at da ka'aba evey year
last year a couple hunnert trample in da groun I hear

so if like religion wit lots of juicy stuff
lyin n' cheatin' pedophilic stuff
MO hammeds waitin at da mosque wit all da bs stuff

UP HIZ! WORD!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Perfect solution to this problem

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 06:01.

Nuke all of them ..
Hitler should have focused his energy on muslims ..and not the jews .
Have you noticed, they are the biggest problem makers in every corner of the world..

to Anonymous from nermin ( you realy have shown yourself)

Submitted by nermin on Thu, 2006-02-02 10:22.

you really have shown yourself quite well..i am happy taht you cannot hold yourself and make your true color appear..this hither reached laedersgip in germany through th edemocrasy you are giving us a headacke about and he is a result of the western civilization you are proud of..you should be ashmad of yourself......but as i said before you inherited the genes of hate and black heart from your ancestors

Muslims living in Denmark are

Submitted by nanat (not verified) on Tue, 2011-08-02 05:30.

Muslims living in Denmark are obviously not a homogeneous group, but originate from many different countries, speak different languages, have different cultures, adhere to different lines of Islam, and as all other Danes have different levels of religious activity. Nevertheless they are very often perceived and described in the media as one group, mainly due to their visibility among ethnic Danes.

As we have seen there were many reasons that twelve cartoons could lead to a crisis with world wide consequences. Okay I agree, the freedom of speech is universal but the exercise of the freedom does not take place in a space without a societal context.

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