Danish Imams Propose to End Cartoon Dispute
From the desk of Hjörtur J. Guðmundsson on Sun, 2006-01-22 21:31
Update (7 February 2006): The Cartoon Hoax
The Danish imams, who protested the publication of 12 Muhammad cartoons [see them all below] in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten last September, have announced that they want to end the dispute. For four months the imams and their radical Muslim organizations have unsuccesfully demanded government censorship. However, despite immense pressure (also from international organizations such as the UN and the EU) the Danish government refused to call the newspaper to account.
Last week a couple of Norwegian papers decided to publish the cartoons in support of the Danish paper while in Denmark moderate Muslims, encouraged by the government’s refusal to be intimidated by the radicals, have distanced themselves from the imams. The latter announced on Friday that they no longer demand apologies from Jyllands-Posten for the publication. Instead they said they just want two things: a guarantee from the Danish authorities that Muslims can freely practice their religion without being “provoked and discriminated.” And a declaration from Jyllands-Posten that the cartoons were not published with the intention of mocking the Muslim faith. “We want Jyllands-Posten to show respect for the Muslims. This can happen with an apology, but it can also happen in some other way. We will leave it to Jyllands-Posten to come up with some ideas,” said Ahmed Akkari, spokesman of the Muslim organizations. “We want respect for Muhammad restored and we want him to be described as the man he really was in history, and that he gets the respect he deserves,” Akkari stressed that Muslim organizations are still deeply opposed to the publication of the cartoons.
The Muslim organizations and Jyllands-Posten met last week to discuss the matter. “It was a good and constructive meeting. We agreed that we need to find a solution,” said Carsten Juste, editor of Jyllands-Posten. Juste stressed that the meeting was one step in a reconciliation process which the Muslim organizations and the newspaper began in December.
Some sceptics wonder whether the demands of the imams have changed fundamentally. They still insist that Jyllands-Posten admit that publishing the cartoons was wrong and make amends for it. The sceptics argue that the paper should not settle for a compromise on freedom of expression by justifying itself. Others wonder why the radical Muslims appear to be softening their demand and seem so eager to make a deal. Perhaps the decision of Norwegian papers such as Magazinet to support Jyllands-Posten by publishing the cartoons has made the radicals reconsider. Perhaps they fear a domino effect. Some Swedish papers are considering publishing the cartoons as well. If the Swedish government subsequently follows the position of the Danish and Norwegian governments, refusing to interfere and limit freedom of expression, the position of the radical Danish Muslims, who are looking for international support, will only weaken.
According to a poll taken this week among 1,047 people in Denmark 57% of the Danes support Jyllands-Posten’s decision to publish the cartoons, while 31% disagrees. Young people and men are more likely to support the decision. Almost two out of every three males and 61% of people aged between 18 and 25 years of age did so.
Meanwhile an international organization of Muslim intellectuals has threatened to mobilize “millions of Muslims all over the World” to boycott Danish and Norwegian products unless the Danish and Norwegian government condemn the publication of the cartoons, which is called an “attack on the Muslims of the World and on the Prophet.” In Saudi Arabia people are receiving e-mails and sms messages urging them to boycott Danish products “until Denmark offers an official apology.” The Organization of the Islamic Conference protested last week’s publication of the cartoons in the Norwegian paper Magazinet. The Iranian embassy in Oslo said that freedom of expression cannot justify publishing the cartoons. However, Finn Jarle Sæle, the editor of the Norwegian Christian newspaper Norge I DAG, announced that his paper is also considering publishing the cartoons. He called upon other Norwegian editors to do the same. Sæle says that so far many of them have only written editorials supporting freedom of expression but have not dared to publish the cartoons themselves.
Asked if wider publication will not lead to unnecessary confrontations between Christians and Muslims Sæle said the intention was not to provoke just for the sake of provoking, but rather to confront radical Islam in Norway. Perhaps it is necessary to provoke in order to do that, he said. Sæle wants the Norwegian imams to publicly oppose the death threats that have been sent to Magazinet’s editor Vebjørn Selbekk. According to Sæle these threats are not just directed against Magazinet. They affect the entire Norwegian media, not just one editor who dared to stand up for freedom of expression.
More on the Danish cartoon case which The Brussels Journal has been covering from the beginning: Click here (see links at end of article)
Are Muslims civilisation builders?
Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2006-02-14 12:50.
The Islamic Empire took less than 100 years to build -- the shortest such emergence in recorded history. It took the ancient Romans about a millennium to accomplish the same feat.
It took Alexander the Great about a fortnight to build his empire, with a couple of thousand hairy Macedonians, and Genghis Khan not much longer to build his. So what?
I found it very sweet of the author to say that Christianity had a "significant influence" on a few historical trends and events. He's obviously been reading up on such matters.
It's a shame that your heading shows that you don't appear to have read what you post. The author says that Muslims WERE civilisation builders, and COULD BE again, not that they ARE. Did you notice the sentence where it says: "This has resulted in a widespread malaise of defeatism, political fatalism, and the tragic loss of cultural identity"? What do you think he had in mind?
Bob Doney
Dear New Believer
Submitted by Gorm on Tue, 2006-02-14 11:08.
I do feel with you and it is VERY important that women like you make your self heard in the public debate and stand up to Islam. How about contacting Nonie Darwish?
The Islamization of the west must be stopped at any cost!
I just found this one - the grotesque realities of Islam.
"A True Story on the Lives of Saudi Women"
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/Khaled60130.htm
All the best
Gorm
Where the hell are all the
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 2006-02-14 08:58.
Where the hell are all the moderate Muslims? why cant they take a stance and denounce the more radical muslims? Them radical buttheads would surely be outnumbered if you moderate muslims just take a stand and tell em shitheads that they're being silly over this whole suicide bombing and terrorists shit. Cant you guys get over yourselves and speak out for all the moderate peace-loving muslims in this entire universe because I think only by that way would at least we get a change. Who are we kidding? A non-muslim cant do nothing no matter what they say or do because a non-muslim would always be considered as an 'outsider' and it'll only trigger more problems between the radicals and non-muslims.Where is the 'good' version of Osama Bin Laden and the holy quarter version of 'Al Qaeda base camp'?Come on. If you claim yourselves to be peaceful muslims, at least do that on CNN right on those fucked up terrorists's face.Religious civil war among you moderates and radicals...At least they'll be getting it from their own so they'll butt off
in response to posts:
Submitted by rightasrain on Tue, 2006-02-14 07:02.
"Do we have less press freedom because of these restrictions? Islam forbids any images of the prophet period. Even if the images were complimentary and historically accurate, they would still be against the faith."...kofi Adu Jibraeel, we don't have to abide by your religious laws if we aren't Muslim. I wouldn't tell you to take communion if I was a Catholic.
"islam is a nation not a country"...Untrue, julienrl - it's a religion. And that's what makes it all so horrendous when we see a religion using violence. What an oxymoron.
emeda30, you love posting links, don't you, plus reams of paragraphs copied and pasted from somewhere or other. Do you have anything to say for yourself, or do you only say what others say?...
"Leviticus 12:2-5, if a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then she
becomes unclean for 7 days."... Nermin, that's what I meant when I mentioned you live in the Old Testament - always quoting scriptures that have nothing to do with modern times.
armyscout43, please give us a break. We know it all now.
4 + More Type of Fools
Submitted by Intellectual.Zombie on Tue, 2006-02-14 05:56.
4 + More Type of Fools
Saints, Seers, Philosophers, Wizards have Discovered 4 types of Fools.
1. The 1st one is the worst kind of Fool who knows that he is a Fool and wants to learn. He is a Disgrace to the Clan of Fools.
2. The 2nd one is that who does not know he is a Fool, but if someone tells him so, he will agree to learn. And actually starts learning immediately, sincerely!
3. The 3rd one is that who is told that he is a Fool, but he is not interested in Learning.
4. The Greatest Fool ever discovered by Saints, Philosophers and Wizards is of 4th type who actually knows nothing but cocksure that he knows everything. For such type of Fool, it is said that even Creator and Goddess of Wisdom (if there are any) combined, cannot teach him.
I categorize the 4th type of Fool as, "Those who do not know abc (smallest font size) of anything, yet Argue Authoritatively on XYZ (biggest font size) on everything and will go to the extent of eliminating you if you don't agree".
Irony # 1 is, There is no dearth of 4th type of Fools. Entire history of mankind is a sad testimony to un-mindful actions of this 4th type of Fools who invented Man-Made-Calamities; like, Ill-Literacy (Negative Literacy), Confusion, Chaos, Strife, Mass murder, Wars, Misery, Poverty, Rape and Destruction of Mother Nature, and similar Extreme Negative aspects of human nature.
Irony # 2 is, All Fools of the 4th type have made their separate Gangs according to Definitions based upon prevailing local situation, circumstances and of course the level of their respective leader's ignorance to serve as benchmark.
Irony # 3 is, Contrary to general prevailing misconception that "Human beings Think from Head(Brain)", the fact is; "All creatures including Human beings, Think from Stomach".
Irony # 4 is, Conspiracy to secure food for the Gang Members, by hook or by crook, by depriving others or even by killing, is given a good name by the gang leaders; and they call it Religion.
Irony # 5 is, No Religion is Free from Utter Foolishness of its Followers.
Irony # 6 is, It is The Clash of Gangs of Fools to Safe-guard Self-Interests. There can Never be The Clash of Civilizations. Civilized Never Clash.
Irony # 7 is, To Safe-guard Self-Interests Gang Leaders have devised ways and means to increase number of Gang Members by UPS (Uninterrupted Population Supply), Kill or Convert.
Irony # 8 is, UPS method takes 9 months to increase 1 member, KoC method is instant and economical too. Now some gangs have realized that by killing they get bad publicity, so switching to Converting by 4C method, i.e., Coax, Confuse, Corrupt, Cash. This is the best method, as by converting not only 1 member of the opposite Gang is reduced, 1 member of own Gang increases.
Irony # 9 is, To retain Membership of the Gang, Licence to Kill is issues, Carnal Pleasures are ensured after Death and Death Penalty is applicable to those who even think against the Gang's Rules.
Irony # 10 is, The Gangsters in zeal to control the Gang, have converted the Members (read - Fools) into Zombies and Cannon Fodder.
The following 2 types are purely my research! There is scope for addition of more type of Fools and I expect feedback from intelligent persons to add to the list.
5. The 5th type of Fool belongs to category of persons who fail to pass-on this message containing essence of research of our Saints, Philosophers and Wizards, who discovered 4 types of Fools and my analysis.
6. The 6th type of Fool is me, who continue to send this type of thought provoking messages in expectation that one day entire human-race will be 1st class Fools who will affirm that, "I know that I do not know, hence I want to know", and will understand that, "The more I know - the more I know that how much I did not knew and now how much is my desire, capacity and utility to Know more."
after life?
Submitted by Blueblood on Tue, 2006-02-14 05:53.
has any one out there had an experience with life after death. crossing over. i would like to talk with you.
New beliver
Submitted by Gorm on Mon, 2006-02-13 23:45.
Actually, Nonie Darwish hasn't postet anything on this site as far as I know - but I gave a link to the source :-)
http://terror-watch.net/modules.php?...ic&p=5187#5187
I think she will become my personal heroine.
Gorm
To Gorm
Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 00:08.
She is my personal heroine too Gorm! Emeda30, bashar, Onenoson, Makamnaya ( Nermin), Aman, Lilly, The Lady of Shalott.. they want you to believe it is all beautiful and they are holy and right. Some are incoherent with it, some preach loftily and pedagogically,
other hides behind the quran etc. I did not have it the same as she did. Because I did not grow up in it. But I lived with them long enough to begin to doubt my sanity, to be afraid of everyone around me, to worry about simply going to buy food. You cannot leave the country unless you have three stamps in your passport. ( this is married women..does not matter if you are carrying an american, british, french, danish etc. Those three stamps have to be there) If not...they...they put you in prison. Once they do that.. you do not have the right to a lawyer. And your husband can let you linger there as long as he likes.
Islam is peaceful! Islam is protective of women.. what do you think they will do to you Gorm, if you are in .. in custody and your husband has left you there, to teach you a lesson about wanting to go home. What?
I used to think the soviets probably had it bad trailing after each other in groups. Actually I think it was not so bad. They reported on people for certain, the KGB memeber of shopping ours. But they did not spread lies, when one accidently drops a bag of cumcumbers and the saleman picks it up, his fingers touched my own in gloves for a two second interval, I was balancing packages.
Peaceful muslims, my uncle in law the imam said I should be whipped within an inch of my life for my terrible sin. I was a brazen and lewd hussy. My Scandinavian has never worried about me, nor has he ever had a reason to mistrust me. NEVER will. But he is angers by the scars I carry, that I will carry for the rest of my natural life. The scars inside and outside. Scars from peace loving people. I need to leave this now. Yes.. Nonie Darwish is my personal heroine as well.
May Freya stand beside you!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Thank you sister nermin ,
Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:21.
Thank you sister nermin , emeda julien and jews4jesus I think you guys are the very few on this website who don’t bad mouth or act dumb the rest seems to be very rude and uneducated prime example is amyscout
I thank you all for your well said point of view.
May Allaah bless you all ameen
To islamisperfect
Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:30.
I have not been mean to You, islamisperfect, but then again I do not talk crap off of Makamnaya (nermin) and her syncophants. By the way, could you since you have some influence or her, get her to decide which one of them is speaking. It is hard talking to one incoherent and uneducated one moment, one sophisticated and certainly pedantic in nature and one who is a cross between the two. Thank you ever so much.
Odine be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Re Islam Beheaded!
Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:37.
Thank You! * hugs Codyomega* Mange Tak! Tackar dig! Pilamaya ye!
You have spoken the truth, though many will not thank you for it!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Re: Myth of Injustice
Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:38.
Once again..spot on!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Re: Islamic Position On Suicide Bombings
Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-13 22:51.
Save the Surahs we are not interested in reading them! Simply take the bastards to court in Sharia law and get the mullahs and imams to do something about it. If they cannot then prosecute them to the fullest extent of the secular law! But you people will not because you believe so terrribly completely in Shahada!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
To Emeda30 & Makamnaya (Nermin)
Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-13 23:25.
See Nonie Darwish's posting If you can refute any of that..then come back and talk to us! I suppose you will not..because you cannot!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
to beliver
Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:40.
Hi
I think you really love your ex husband and this is why you hate Muslims. Please don’t hate us we haven’t done anything to you ok? We dint force you to marry him. Why do you keep going about your in-laws? So what if he was an imam doesn’t make him perfect plus I am beginning to doubt everything you say because I see you full of hate and very irrational .I hope you stop calling decent people like my sister nermin a COW because calling other people names as such specially when nermin is not even talking to you , it shows how wicked you are. Hmm now I think you wil add me in your black list too?? And now you will call me names too doesn’t bother me ,you and your brother amyscout can bad mouth us Muslims as much as you like thank you and amyscout both of you are really perfect example of a TRUE WESTERNER . please carry on my dearest new beliver
May Allaah guide you and may you get ride of the devil inside you ameen
To he who think his religion is perfect
Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:17.
No I do not love my ex and if I was a man I would cook and eat his heart islaam! Yes she is a cow. A stupid one for she keeps on and on without saying anything. As for you doubting me, it is always doubt when YOU people are not protrayed as great shades of beneficient
works, and your religion is not. And I suppose that the fact that I am here to serve as a reminder that YOU people are not PERFECT and are not sacred and that you do not uphold trust, justice or peace if wicked as well. I will be here to remind people that it is not as you tell it, portrayed as perfect. It is not Perfect and neither are you. As for blacklisting you, that would have to mean that I gave a damn about you or even cared. Neither of which I do. nor do I care about Makamnaya I did not attack because you never said anything to make me desire to. protrayed as perfect.
And I will go on and tell as many as I can..to remind people. As long as I can raise doubt about your actions I will. But I do not need to lie, unfortunately these things are all the truth, and that is the most terrible part of what I have to say. Your sisters Lilly and the Lady of Shalott decry and deny the Armenian Genocide (Christians) and yet stand stalwart that they lived in great peace in Turkey. A lie! Your sister, Makamnaya ( I call her that because there are other things to call her, but skunks like to push their belief with strong scent..as she does!)
She is a cow, re chews on her cud and hears nothing, never bothering to look up from her grazing, lon genough to see what she just answered to or heard, and certainly never reads. She chews and regurgitates the same message over and over. Yet feels herself done wrong when other finally grow impatient with her ostrich like attitiude. Or she spouts nonsenical bilge and garbage without a thought in her brain, like a cow. If she acts as a dumb animal, I am certainly obliged to treat her as one. She recounts the wrong century, the wrong passage, the wrong anything. sometimes she does not even read what she recounts and she is most certainly not writing it all, because she has trouble elucidating even teh simplest of comments. So I have not idea which skunk is writing for her.
Armyscout is not my brotehr unless you can count him as one who does not believe in your bullshit and says so even though it is most acutely and painfully crudely at times. But I think he is frustrated that you will not listen, so he has egiven up on you and makes his points his way. So be it! I believe in Free Speech I will not tell him, how to say it! IN that case Yes, I proudly welcome him as my brother. Now as for my being wicked, I am only wicked I notice when I do not kiss muslim ass and kowtow and say everything you all would like and want me to say. So here it is:
All muslims lie!
You lie as you are a muslim!
YOu speak of peace, of hypocrisy and of injustice against you!
You perpetrate everything you say is being done to you!
You swear that you decry and disavow yoursevlves from the violence!
BUt you believe in Shahada!
You swear you are just and preserver of women right!
Oh you lie, for you do just the opposite!
You are either cowards and you fear the violent muslims, or you agree with
them in secret and wish not to make this known!
You label as vile, wicked, lying, hypocritical and mean any who do not agree with you..knowing full well you are just such things!
You are no better than Haj al Amin, the late Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.. you will hold that as a complement.. but he was a lying, thieving, hypocritical, evil man who had delusions of grandeur and sought out the destruction and genocide of a group of people!
I will never be silent, I will always speak about the terrible things muslims do, about the lies they tell and the injustices they perpetrate as well as the perversions they propogate! If you wish me silent, then go out there and throw down the violent ones, reform and clean house, stop teh trafficking of women, make the Saudis truly stop the slavery trade ( please do not think anyone believes that bullshit about it ending in saudi arabia back in 1963); start passin out the stockpiled food to the refugees, bring the fundamentalist regimes into line and see to it all are being given a decent education. Stop spreading and teaching hatred. (as ye sow, so shall ye reap!). Stop acting as if your way is the only way out there..it is not and you are not the way and the light!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
May Fenris take you all!
women 4
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 21:27.
Ecclesiastes 25:22 "Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and
through her we all die." (from the Catholics Bible) Women in the
Bible are considered evil !!!.
Ecclesiasticus 22:3 "....and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss"
(From the New Jerusalem Bible. It's a Roman Catholics Bible); Roman Catholics today form more than 75% of the Christians population throughout the world. Why should the Bible give stupid generalizing statements like that about ALL women?
Re: women 4 & Islam
Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-13 23:04.
Why in hell do the muslims proscribe female circumcision, and do it on children? Are you afraid when she grows up she might enjoy sexual relations with her husband? Do you really believe cutting it out of her while holding her down, sometimes with razors or glass will achieve a sense of joy and delight or teach her shame and disgust! Do not lie and say it is not done, I have seen 5 young girls die from thh consequences of it COW!
I know what Bible it comes from Makamnaya!
Women in the Quran
O Prophet! When ye (men) put away women....--65:1
2: The Cow
1. It's OK to have sex with your wives on the night of the fast. 2:187
2. Menstruation is a sickness. Don't have sex with menstruating women. 2:222
3. Have sex with your women whenever and as often as you like. 2:223
4. Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are "a degree above them." 2:228
5. A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282
4: The Women
5. Marry of the women two, or three, or four. 4:3
6. Males are to inherit twice that of females. 4:11
7. Lewd women are to be confined to their houses until death. 4:15 (honor killings..the man dewcides what is lewd!)
8. You may not forcibly inherit women, unless they flagrantly lewd. 4:19
9. Instructions for exchanging wives 4:20
10. You can't have married women, unless they are captives. 4:24
11. Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Refuse to have sex with women from whom you fear rebellion, and scourge them. 4:34
12. Don't pray if you are drunk, dirty, or have touched a woman lately. 4:43
13. Women are feeble and are unable to devise a plan. 4:98
14. They invoke in his (Allah's) stead only females. 4:117
15. A man cannot treat his wives fairly. 4:129
16. "Unto the male is the equivalent share of two females." 4:176
5: The Table Spread
When it's time to pray and you have just used the toilet or touched a woman, be sure to wash up. If you can't find any water, just rub some dirt on yourself. 5:6
11: Hud
Lot offers his daughters to a mob of angel rapers. 11:78
15: Al-Hijr
Lot offers his daughters to a mob of angel rapers. 15:71
22: The Pilgrimage
When the doom of Allah comes, pregnant women will suffer miscarriages, nursing mothers with forget their babies. 22:1-2
23: The Believers
You don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls "that your right hand possess." 23:6
24: Light
If you accuse an honorable women of adultery, be sure to bring four witness. Otherwise you will receive 80 lashes. 24:4
A husband can accuse his wife of adultery with only one witness. 24:6
Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 24:31
33: The Clans
If Muhammad's wives are good, Allah will give them "an immense reward." 33:28-29
The wives of Muhammad will be punished double for lewdness. (And that is easy for Allah.) 33:30
The wives of Muhammad are not like other women. They must not leave their houses. 33:32-33
When Allah or Muhammad decide that a man and a woman should marry, they must marry. 33:36
Allah gave Zeyd to Muhammad in marriage. This was so that all Muslims would know that it's OK to marry your adopted son's ex-wife. 33:37
Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 33:50-51
If men must speak to Muhammad's wives they must speak from behind a curtain. And no one must ever marry one of his wives. 33:53
But it's OK for Muhammad's wives to talk with certain people. 33:55
Women must cover themselves when in public. 33:59
37: Those Who Set the Ranks
Those who "did wrong" will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23
But the single-minded slaves of Allah will enjoy a Garden filled with lovely-eyed virgins. 37:40-48
38: Sad
Female companions await those who enter the Gardens of Eden on the Day of Reckoning. 38:52
44: Smoke
Allah will reward faithful Muslims after they die with "fair ones with wide, lovely eyes." 44:54
52: The Mount
Allah will reward those in the Garden with beautiful wives with wide, lovely eyes. 52:20
53: The Star
Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels. 53:27
55: The Beneficent
Allah will give those in the Garden women of modest gaze whom neither man nor jinn have touched before them. 55:56
Allah will reward believing men with "fair ones" (beautiful women) in heaven. 55:71-72
56: The Event
Those in the Garden will be attended by immortal youths with wide, lovely eyes. 56:17-23
Allah made virgins to be lovers and friends to those on his right hand. 56:36-37
64: Mutual Disillusion
Your wives and children are your enemies. They are to you only a temptation. 64:14-15
65: Divorce
Instructions for divorcing your wives. 65:1-6
66: Banning
Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 66:5
The wives of 66:Noah and 66:Lot (who were both righteous) betrayed their husbands and are now in the Fire. 66:10
70: The Ascending Stairways
Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from "the fires of hell" that are "eagar to roast." 70:1-30
You don't have to be chaste around your wives or your slave girls. 70:29-30
111: Palm Fibre
Abu Lahab will die and be plunged in flaming Fire. His wife will have on her neck a halter of palm fiber. 111:1-5
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
women in bible and torah
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 21:24.
"Woman has the poison of an asp, the malice of a dragon" (St.
Gregory)
St. Tertullian, while he was talking to his 'best beloved sisters'
in the faith, he said, "Do you not know that you are each an Eve?
The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the
guilt must of necessity live too. You are the Devil's gateway: You
are the unsealer of the forbidden tree: You are the first deserter
of the divine law: You are she who persuaded him whom the devil
wasn't valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's
image, man." Once again, St. Augustine wrote to a friend, "What is
the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve
the temptress that we must beware of in any woman." Centuries later, St. Thomas Aquinas still considered women as defective, "As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence." (all these quotations can be found in Karen Armstrong's book, The Gospel According to Woman, London: Elm Tree Books, 1986, pp. 52-62. See
also Nancy van Vuuren, The Subversion of Women as Practiced by
Churches, Witch-Hunters, and Other Sexists Philadelphia: Westminster
Press pp.28-30.)
Orthodox Jewish men in their daily morning prayer recite "Blessed be God King of the universe that Thou has not made me a woman." The women, on the other hand, thank God every morning for "making me
according to Thy will" (Thena Kendath, "Memories of an Orthodox
youth" in Susannah Heschel, ed. On being a Jewish Feminist, New
York: Schocken Books, 1983, pp. 96-97)
According to the Jewish Talmud, "women are exempt from the study of
the Torah." In the first century C.E., Rabbi Eliezer said: "If any
man teaches his daughter Torah it is as though he taught her
lechery" (Leonard J. Swidler, Women in Judaism: the Status of Women
in Formative Judaism, Metuchen, N.J: Scarecrow Press, 1976, pp. 83-93)
women in christianity3
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 21:22.
according to the Old Testament, a childless widow must
marry her husband's brother, even if he is already married and
regardless of her consent, so that she might bear a child from him
(Deuteronomy 25:5).
According to Numbers 27:1-11, widows and sisters don't inherit at
all. Daughters can inherit only if their deceased father had no
sons.
According to the laws
Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 23:35.
According to Numbers 27:1-11, widows and sisters don't inherit at
all. Daughters can inherit only if their deceased father had no
sons.
According to the laws of England, they can. These laws are being constantly updated in the light of new knowledge and social change.
Bob Doney
Bob she is quoting Judaical
Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-13 23:45.
Bob she is quoting Judaical scriptural law as being the law of the land for all christians in all christian lands.
*sighs* She has not learned a thing!
Nor will she ever!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
That is not Christianity ! That is Judaica Scriptural Law, Makam
Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-13 22:47.
That is not Christianity ! That is Judaica Scriptural Law, Makamnaya (Nermin)! Do you ever really read the things that you post or does someone find them for you and Emeda30? Are you just totally ignorant or are you just plain damn stupid?
*sighs* Makamnaya, This is a section in the Old testament of the Bible . It is the 4th book of the Pentateuch. This comes from not the New Testament!
You are now quoting Judaic scriptural law!
Christians though they pay great service to teh Old Testament are by nature in service to the New Testament ......also
known as the "Good News" It is from the New Testament that Christianity stands.
What law you have just quoted is set down for Jews, who hold the Pentateuch, the Midrash Rabbah, and the Torah ..holy!
Christian do not remove their right shoes and hold them out to their brothers wife, after she has become a widow. Such things are held among the Jewish faith. Now who is the Idiot!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
women in christianity2
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 21:20.
What the canonized saints of Christianity said about women:
"Woman is a daughter of falsehood, a sentinel of Hell, the enemy of
peace; through her Adam lost paradise" (St. John Demascene)
"Woman is the instrument which the devil uses to gain possession of our souls" (St. Cyprian)
"Woman is the fountain of the arm of the devil, her voice is the
hissing of the serpent" (St. Anthony)
women in christianity1
Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 21:17.
Leviticus 12:2-5, if a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then she
becomes unclean for 7 days. But if she gives birth to a baby girl,
then she becomes unclean for 14 days. This verse is another proof
that women in the Bible are disliked to be born !.
statistically challenged
Submitted by blukat on Mon, 2006-02-13 20:53.
1.28 billion
ROFL
Re Muslim Boycott
Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-13 23:12.
Who cares!
Once again it is 1.28 billion muslims
I am buying Danish.. all I needed to do was toss out all the middle eastern groceries I still had.. I had a great deal of room after that. Filled it to the brim with Danish products..Thanks!
Yummy Danish Food!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
To emeda30
Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-13 17:40.
1.28 billion
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Very Good
Submitted by Blueblood on Mon, 2006-02-13 18:33.
The Middle East is stuck in a cultural time warp. It seems they still think that it's 1100ad.
Yes I would agree that it is in the millions verses the lies of a billion. Forced religion or the cult that islame falls under does not count.
Very Good
Submitted by Blueblood on Mon, 2006-02-13 18:33.
The Middle East is stuck in a cultural time warp. It seems they still think that it's 1100ad.
Yes I would agree that it is in the millions verses the lies of a billion. Forced religion or the cult that islame falls under does not count.
Was Not Osama Framed?
Submitted by Gordonz on Mon, 2006-02-13 09:47.
I heard it was the jews and the cia. Were not all the jews home from work that day?
Wasn't that what the Islamists said?
It's a different story every week with you guys, isn't it?
Did not Osama produce 9/11,
Submitted by blukat on Mon, 2006-02-13 09:13.
Did not Osama produce 9/11, did not the Taliban support Osama, and did not the "martyrs" of 9/11 die for Islam? Did not Muhammad produce Islam and establish the second greatest deed in Islam, the Jihad of violence in Allah's cause?
Now, I think of the cartoon in which the Muslim women can only see thru the opening in their burkas, but in which Muhammad, the artist's symbol for Islam, can't see at all!
You are calling me an idiot for acknowledging what I see because you want me to deny that what I see is true, so you use insult. You don't want others to see a connection of terrorists and Islam, yet Osama Bin Laden, Zawahiri,, and their ilk periodically reinforce that connection through their video and audio tapes of threats and by the examples of violent demonstrations that the world has been witnessing. They are not assumptions or unfounded conclusions.
However, it also has been written for the likes of Jews4Jesus (whose name appears to be another Muslim deception) if they are smart enough to understand: There is none so blind as those who WILL not see.
There is no record in the Koran of Muhammad's ever preaching God's love. Compare Islam’s second greatest deed, according to Muhammad, as stated above, to Jesus’ second greatest commandment, which is to love your neighbor as yourself. (To julienrel: The reason that one cannot compare pedophile priests to Jesus is that Jesus taught that whoever causes a child to sin faces damnation; therefore, pedophile priests are in defiance of Jesus’ teaching, not in accordance with it. Such is not the case concerning Muhammad and terrorists.) Muhammad taught by example, command, and precept that his disciples could and should kill in Allah's name to force people to submit to Islam. The Hadith speaks of those who convert to Islam "by compulsion or for fear of being killed." That is terrorism. It is not absurd to conclude that Muhammad set the example for today's Muslim terrorists
So, you are mistaken to think that there is no link between Muhammad and terrorists. Surely the terrorists think there is, and they think they are the truest Muslims. Perhaps they are. I have given you two examples from Muslim literature. I used Muslim references because they are more precise doctrinally than a dictionary. (Eventually, you will find terrorism and Islam connected by definition in the dictionary under the term “Islamist.” Language is ever-changing and takes time to catch up with current events.)
I hope this argument is rational enough for you.
this isint cool
Submitted by julienrl on Mon, 2006-02-13 05:29.
well I was hoping to get an interesting discussion but this has turned in a place for moronic, undereducated racists to lash out their ignorance on others. peace out
That is odd.. One Syrian
Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-13 17:45.
That is odd.. One Syrian bimbo married to a Yemenite old coot and born in Saudi Arabia! Yepp, sounds Arabian to me...dim bulb!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
You mean that old guy that hides in caves?
Submitted by Gordonz on Mon, 2006-02-13 03:37.
...the one with the bad kidneyes?
I completely agree
Submitted by julienrl on Mon, 2006-02-13 02:53.
I completely agree, it would be like saying Jesus is the reason for preists raping children and that it properly represented all christian countries. It is an absurd conclusion. Please people, I in no way agree that the cartoons were out of line but PLEASE use rational arguments. Keep your racial comments to yourself. As for saying Islam is evil, read my previous arguments on extremists residing everywhere. if we made assumptions like that all the time, we would be saying that every country is a murduring country. Heck, lets go down your path of logic "some americans have said racial coments, so all americans are racists. Some americans kill other people, all americans are murdurers" It makes no sens so take this kind of arguments and keep them to yourself.
Muhammad with a bomb on his head
Submitted by blukat on Mon, 2006-02-13 00:52.
If the cartoon of Muhammad with a bomb on his head inaccurately represents Islam, how does one explain Osama Bin Laden, the Afghani Taliban, and 9/11? If the latter has nothing to do with the former, could someone explain that to me? Because that is something the cartoon implied, to my mind, and I thought it rather clever and to the point.
???
Submitted by Jews4Jesus on Mon, 2006-02-13 01:35.
Blukat? Is that a joke or im misreading?
How does one explain Osama, Taliban and 9/11? Terrorist. Who ever makes a DIRECT link between Terrorists and Islam is an idiot (those people are extremists and dont represent in any way the muslim world)...seems to me these days that if you go in a dictorionary and check what the meanning of terrorist means you wont find islam mentionned in it.
Also, the prophet has no link what so ever with anything related to terrorism. And since there is no link there, then why did they portray him? Because he is the prophet of Islam? Thats just plain stupid (no link no, reason no, excuse).
???
Submitted by Jews4Jesus on Mon, 2006-02-13 01:34.
Blukat? Is that a joke or im misreading?
How does one explain Osama, Taliban and 9/11? Terrorist. Who ever makes the link between Terrorists and Islam is an idiot...seems to me these days that if you go in a dictorionary and check what the meanning of terrorist means you wont find islam mentionned in it.
Also, the prophet has no link what so ever with anything related to terrorism. And since there is no link there, then why did they portray him? Because he is the prophet of Islam? Thats just plain stupid (no link no, reason no, excuse).
Holocaust Reply
Submitted by Jews4Jesus on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:45.
Thank you...finally a mentally stable person responding on these forums. I agree with julienrl.
Also, as the world is right now, the last thing we need is provocations from Europe. Cant you see that bush has already stirred enough shit in Iraq and that the Palesinian Goverement is just asking for an excuse to suicide bomb the shit out of the jews? AND WHAT ABOUT THAT POOR ARIEL SHARON...HES GOT ENOUGH PROBLEMS AS IT IS.
I see your point
Submitted by julienrl on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:40.
the issue is that a country has norms, agreed, but islam is a nation not a country. this means it is not politicaly bound. There are islamic people in all countries where norms differ, so how do you decide whos norm should be respected- the countries or islam's? and if you pick islam beware, this means you agree that every nation is entitled to imposing their norms on the country in wich they reside.
holocaust
Submitted by julienrl on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:18.
Holocaust cartoons, good idea or bad idea? honestly, i think its a fantastic idea. People being offended by the cartoon have decided to pick the most controversial topic they could find, now it depends on how people decide to react to this. If people react properly and take it easy(as they have ben asking muslums to do) muslums now have NOTHING to say agains the people who made the caricatures of mohamed. If people do react strongly, it might be the wakeup call they needed. Hopefully this will help it all end peacefully.
Also;
Submitted by Jews4Jesus on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:04.
I highly support the Iranian journal that decided to put a contest for depecting the best Holocaust cartoon. Why? well cause of freedom of expression of course!
Have you ever heard of the expression: "too much of something is like not enough?" Apparently NOT
To all you idiots
Submitted by Jews4Jesus on Sun, 2006-02-12 22:36.
Isnt it obvious? The Brussel's Journel was in bad need of attention so they came up with the most retarded idea they could think of. "Hey guys! lets draw pictures of the prophet Mohammed!" A cartoon or caricature is a way of expression...as long as it stays within bounds of reason and reality. Ive seen pictures of politions being insulted and all but since when was the muslim prophet considered a terrorist? Ive seen some idiot caricaturists say things like: "hey...up to this day i didnt even know we werent allowed to draw thing like that"...well you know what? Up to now, I didnt know that gasoline ignites fire! FUCKIN IDIOTS...isnt it obvious that the relationship of europe with the middle east is already delicate enough? But NOOO you just have to be tards and put your hands in the fire dont you? And btw, JEWS FOR JESUS CAUSE WE KNOW THAT YESHUA LOVED US AND WE LOVED HIM...
folow up
Submitted by julienrl on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:23.
please note that in my previous post my opinion is not the important part, it is only a personal comment.. what we truly have to keep in mind is a purely objective point of view otherwise the chaos will never end. As far as religious extremists go, please keepin mind that christians have done as bad-if not worse- then any other religion. Extremists exist in any and every group, wether it is a religious group or a nationalist, there are always people who go too far, even environmentalists.
Haven't heard from Nermin or
Submitted by Patriot on Sun, 2006-02-12 15:21.
Haven't heard from Nermin or Bashar in awhile, what's up?
To Patriot!
Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 15:30.
Sssshhhh Patriot! They are a couple I think! * tiptoes back out and shuts off the lights!*
They met here in our little blog..how romantic.. maybe she will finally get some.. and so will he!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
oh....ok, I'll be sure not
Submitted by Patriot on Sun, 2006-02-12 15:33.
oh....ok, I'll be sure not to wake them as they enjoy their blissful honeymoon in each other's arms.
Aussie inventions
Submitted by rightasrain on Sun, 2006-02-12 14:32.
Oh yes, and while we're talking of inventions, you might like to check this out - we may be Down Under but we're pretty cool:
http://www.questacon.edu.au/html/100_years_of_innovations.html
Maybe the Muslims chatting with us would like to post a link to prove they invented the computer as they so blatantly suggested??? Huh? Yeah?
I think it was Mustafa who
Submitted by Patriot on Sun, 2006-02-12 14:39.
I think it was Mustafa who came up with windows and Mohammed invented the first cell phone.
hahaha...too funny
Submitted by rightasrain on Sun, 2006-02-12 14:15.
"Often wondered this. You pray facing Mecca three times a day. Do you take into account the curvature of the earth? If not, you're praying to outer space. So you kind of have to look down, point and aim in quite a few places. You'd have to be good at geometry, I suppose. However, if the rule is facing the horizion, different then. If you're on the opposite side of the globe, any way you face is good. You know, this is an untapped market. A Muslim GPS, flip it on, always tells you which direction to pray. You could make millions! Those of you that missed out on manufacturing Danish flags should jump on this bandwagon for sure."
Hahahahahaha........ sheesh, pick me up off the floor...
Funniest thing I've ever read.
"ALLAH'U-AKBAR!" God is great....
Submitted by rightasrain on Sun, 2006-02-12 14:04.
It never ceases to amaze me that while Muslims kill,
they chant "ALLAH'U-AKBAR!" God is great....
while they fall about burning flags and bombing the life out of people
they chant "ALLAH'U-AKBAR!" God is great....
while they wait 3 months to react to cartoons and most have probably not even seen them themselves,
they chant "ALLAH'U-AKBAR!" God is great....
while they curse the west for not understanding them... "poor little old unaccepted me" sniff sniff,
they chant "ALLAH'U-AKBAR!" God is great....
while they threaten nations worldwide with their upcoming dominance through violence and terror
they chant "ALLAH'U-AKBAR!" God is great....
Please explain - where did killing, threats, terror, burning, bombing... and God... fit in the same sentence? Am I missing something here?
You guys sure live in the Old Testament...oh that's right, that's wrong too: "ALLAH'U-AKBAR!" God is great....
Ever heard of grace?
Obviously, Islam is not perfect...
Submitted by blukat on Sun, 2006-02-12 06:45.
"wat is even more upsetting is dat Muslims dint do 9/11"
Just out of curiosity, who do you think did 9/11?
I am wondering if the first requirement of Islam for Muslims is ignorance.
Why?
Submitted by julienrl on Sun, 2006-02-12 03:10.
To sart, I am a atheist, meaning im not trying to promote or disprove a religion. Secondly,I am not a racist, nor do I have any prejudice(or I try not to) I find these things dispicable, and I am not trying to promote a "race" or an other.
There are a fiew things at stake here, so pleas bear with me as I enumerate them(meaning dont jump to a conclusion on the first sentence!) To make this easy, I will analyse it like I do in the Ethics class I give, but in a verry shortened version(our actual evalution of this took way too long). Also, there is no questions, people who go crazy and kill others are WAY out of line, there is no need to analyse this, they are the ones who are wrong so I will not discuss them further.
values at stake
-free speech for the public
-respect to other religions
-imposing your own religion's values on others
Quality of live/ quality of enviornement
-respectfull environement towards your values -> in this case for both parties
Now, from a social ethic's point of view.
-first off, for a social ethic's partisan, a moral act is one that help to the cohesion, perpetuity and growth of the soceity in question.
-in this view, it is only for your OWN soceity, it is NOT a universal point of view
-Eastern countries-> Freedom is at the root of these countries. in the 1800's with the french revolution, monarchy is abolished and the 3 main virtues are replaced, they are now based on freedom. In this case, people want to be free to speak and not have other religion's values inposed on them
-Western point of view-> the soceity is based more on theocrasy, meaning for the upholding of thsi soceity in question, it is better for the values of respect of their religion be imposed on others.
Now from a deontologic point of view(Kant's ethic(very contreversial, who cares jsut go with it please))
-in this case, only the intention is important NOT the consequences.
Eastern->Here we can not tell what the intentions were precicely, but ods are that they were to prove a point, this act in its own is ammoral, not immoral not is it moral. it is neutral. Wanting to prove a point IS universal, people do want to do want to express themselves, this is something that is wishfull
Westerns->here the intention is to have the religion's value be upheld(not to depict mohamed). That in itsself as an intention is not to censor anyone, it is only to uphold your values, it is thus not moral or immoral, once again we are faced with somethign amoral.
-both-Both parties are acting on ammoral stances, they are both acting purely on will, NOT by duty as a human being(a whole other topic, religion is not involved, religion is part of will not duty)
Now as seen above, the two major ethic branchs both come to teh same conclusion: both have their reason and both are fairly equal. We will move on to emotional ethics
-in this case, we need to be impartial, the impartial observer is the base of emotional ethics, this person must show empathy, sympathy and in some cases, solisitude. I will do my best to be a impartial bystander for this analysis.
main feelings involved: muslims feel that they have ben violated, easterners feel that their freedom is being compromised.
Now for those waiting for an answer, I am terribly sorry but I have none, altho I do hope that this will help you put all of this in a different perspective and stop your racial, irrational, religious bickoring. This is NOT about A religion, this is about fundemental respect. Learn to get along, otherwise this sensless violence will never end, and we will keep living in this shitwhole we call our planet. The point of this was simply to help untangle the issue, help map out the question at stake.
Now all this was from a impartial stance. my opinion: chill out! there will always be people who do things you dont like, rather then try and controll them and make them folow your values, just turn your back on them. Shun them if you must, but just forget it! GROW UP! As a psychologist, I see children that resolve conflict beter then this!
To julienrl
Submitted by IslaamIsPerfect on Sun, 2006-02-12 05:42.
Thank u soo much for ur input n wisely done advise
I agree with u the Muslims should of ignored those idiotic pics which had nothing to do with the blessed prophet or his family n yet boycott the Danish protect for a while n close their embassies to teach them a lesson but as far as burning thr embassies or threatening Europe with 9/11 is fully dumb n wat is even more upsetting is dat Muslims dint do 9/11 so Muslims shouldn’t associate themselves with such , not al dans r for those pics being published so Muslims shouldn’t over react.
If anyone should be boycotted by the Muslim world for good, than it should be Israel n USA
Yes the Muslim world is over reacting over this stupid dumb pics which has nothing to do with our beloved prophet n its not even worth giving all these attention or getting so upset n hafted n puffed abt al the Muslims needed to do is boycott dans n close their embassies dats all. After all how can Muslims expect respect from a nation dat has lost respect for themselves longggg time ago , so my dear Muslim brethren don’t ask respect from those who don’t even respect themselves so lets chil n don’t give em any attention they rnt worthed.
Thanx again for ur input n advise u seem to be a decent non Muslim European n I wish thr were more like u cuz seeing the texts from amyscout43 n anonymous n few others in this website it seems most r ful of hate n ignorance but u seem to be reasonably good
May Allaah guide us all to wat is best ameen
Running out of Virgens
Submitted by miamifrank2 on Sun, 2006-02-12 01:49.
Lets face it. The "Stop Stop, we're running out of virgins" cartoon is really funny. 40 virgens per suicide bomber was just too abmitious a pace it looks like.
You wacky Arabs just need to pop open a couple of beers and chill a bit.
Frank
Miami
PS Frank is not my real name, and I don't really live in Miami. For all you fireboming towelhead extremists who might be hunting me down!
Stop Stop, We're running out of virgins!
Submitted by miamifrank2 on Sun, 2006-02-12 01:38.
I'm Catholic. And I cringe when I see off color cartoons about Jesus or the Pope. And that's where it ends. You see I'm smart enough to realize the whole world is not Catholic, and that some people are even (gasp) athiests.
So I cringe, and turn the page.
Anyway - the Cartoon titled "Stop Stop we're running out of virgens" is just damn funny. My golden rule is - if you're gonna offend someone, at least make them laugh.
The muslim firebombers need to pop open a couple of beers and chill a little.
Okay folks, calm down...It's a CARTOON, not a constitution
Submitted by US_Marine_vet on Sun, 2006-02-12 00:02.
All religions get made fun of "now and again". A Cartoon "drawing" is not a reason to boycot any countries goods, or services. Now if there were 525,000 copies dropped from planes as propaganda...guess what?..it would still be a Caracature, a simple cartoon. freedom of speech, and artistic licence, you know??. Maybe we should find and chastise Blondies husband dagwood for sleeping on the couch all day. I saw these cartoons in question(bad art work). Comon people...Cartoons don't kill> Guns and bombs kill. We all have differences...I personally think the American citizen has all but lost every liberty and right we ever fought for. The patriot act is an excuse to harrass the american taxpayer. Uh sorry, getting off track from the Globally important cartoon subject...and why not. IT's a JOKE..
Stop the posting, this subject is as old as dirt. Still want a job as an artist? draw me a cartoon of the planet being blown apart from a rogue asteroid..I hope mt.fuji won't explode over it :-)
Old as dirt?
Submitted by Lode Runner on Sun, 2006-02-12 00:19.
If the cartoon was as old as dirt, there wouldn't be suicide groups lined up to take the cause, and they're still lining up. Read the news. Check out New Believer's posts. Very interesting. You step on a Muslim ant, it's cause for a global war. Do you even realize how much they hate us in the middle east? These fanatics will eventually get short range nukes or chemical weapons. From that point, the war will be short range, but the fanatics don't care, even if the afterlife has run out of virgins. By the way, perhaps there's a reason they're virgins. Hmmmm. Could be a living hell. Can you imagine living with 72 of them? Drives me mad to even think about it. Allah Peanut Butter Sanwitches! BTW- if it was as old as dirt- wouldn't be any interest- start your own blog about global warming or something. I'm more concerned with how the radical Muslims want to create an end to the world.
Thats a lode off :-)
Submitted by US_Marine_vet on Sun, 2006-02-12 07:47.
Oops!
Submitted by blukat on Sat, 2006-02-11 19:45.
Not Kabalah, but Kabah.
That's to A New Believer
Submitted by blukat on Sat, 2006-02-11 19:36.
Thanks. I appreciate your very good information.
Who is Allah?
Submitted by blukat on Sat, 2006-02-11 18:30.
The word Allah is an Arabic word meaning "the god." It is a pre-Islamic name: Allah was one of the pre-Islamic pagan deities of Mecca. Allah is not the God of the Jews and the Christians. Like the worship of Ba-aL, the worship of Allah was an astral religion involving worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars. In ancient Arabia, Allah was the personal name for the moon god. The symbol of the moon good was the crescent moon.
Muhammad was from the Quraysh tribe, which was especially devoted to Allah and his three daughters (Muhammad tried to include them into Islam through the Satanic Verses, which, when people objected, he announced that his god "abrogated" that revelation).
Arabs can be traced to non-Abrahamic origins. There is no record that Abraham ever went to Mecca. Muhammad took the Jewish story he had heard from passing travellers and transferred it to Mecca, thus setting up the idea that Arabs were the descendants of Ishmael, which is nothing more than a vanity.
The historical evidence is clear that Muhammad adopted the pagan religious rite of a pilgrimmage to Mecca to worship at the Kabalah for the sake of providing Meccan merchants with a tremendous amount of money.
Muslims will say that this is not true, but they cannot prove otherwise. I have presented historical facts which can be found by researching the matter of Allah.
Allah is a false god of Arabia; thus, Islam is a false religion.
that is why islam is fast growing
Submitted by nermin on Sat, 2006-02-11 18:06.
My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."
Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33.
ISLAMS TRUE AGENDA!
Submitted by A New Believer on Sat, 2006-02-11 18:49.
You do not rule the world! hell you barely rock the world! What you do, do is run your fat mouths hollering, gesiticulating and carrying on as if you are possessed by demons themselves. I think all muslims are really demons in disguise. And now you are a few muslims short of that because in Pakistan this morning, Sunnis and Shi'ias blew each other each screaming about the other being heretical buttheads! And you are peaceful, peace loving. You cannot even discuss the 12th Imam calmly with each other!
Listen Westerners This is what they are looking for! This is what they wish to happen. Why in the name of Hell do you think the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was walking around kissing Adolf Hitler's bum! He wanted this, so he could proclaim himself as the MADHI! Perhaps the Presient of Iran has delusions of grandeur, maybe he wants it. Maybe Saddam wanted it! The point is they will not be happy until THEY bring about
Armaggedon! They live for it, strice for it., Every muslim child is taught to pray for the opportunity to be a Shahid. They are taught to die in Shahada is the best thing that can happen. There are fundamentalists Christians that pray for the second coming but they do not want to go out there and push the button for the bomb! THESE ASSHOLES DO!
After all, the Prophet Muhammad himself warned Muslims that “the last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.” This tradition is repeated, with small variations, numerous times in the Hadith. ): “A reliable Hadith [tradition] says: ‘The Jews will fight you, but you will be set to rule over them.’ What could be more beautiful than this tradition? ‘The Jews will fight you’ — that is, the Jews have begun to fight us. ‘You will be set to rule over them’ — Who will set the Muslim to rule over the Jew? Allah . . . Until the Jew hides behind the rock and the tree. But the rock and tree will say: ‘“Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, a Jew hides behind me, come and kill him.” Except for the Gharqad tree, which is the tree of the Jews.’ We believe in this Hadith. We are convinced also that this Hadith heralds the spread of Islam and its rule over all the land.”
Madhi declared: “We are convinced of the [future] victory of Allah; we believe that one of these days, we will enter Jerusalem as conquerors, enter Jaffa as conquerors, enter Haifa as conquerors, enter Ramle and Lod as conquerors, the [villages of] Hirbiya and Dir Jerjis and all of Palestine as conquerors, as Allah has decreed . . . Anyone who does not attain martyrdom in these days should wake in the middle of the night and say: ‘My God, why have you deprived me of martyrdom for your sake? For the martyr lives next to Allah’ . . . Our enemies suffer now more than we do. Why? Because we are convinced that our dead go to Paradise, while the dead of the Jews go to Hell, to a cruel fate. So we stand firm and steadfast, in obedience to Allah.”
The preach ultimate worldwide supremacy of Islam, in accordance with the supreme goal of all jihads: “Oh beloved, look to the East of the earth, find Japan and the ocean; look to the West of the earth, find [some] country and the ocean. Be assured that these will be owned by the Muslim nation, as the Hadith says . . . ‘from the ocean to the ocean.’ . . . Oh Allah, accept our martyrs in the highest heavens . . . Oh Allah, show the Jews a black day . . . Oh Allah, annihilate the Jews and their supporters . . . Oh Allah, raise the flag of Jihad across the land.”
For someone who believes all this, the only prospect for peace is the death of Israel. Jihad has poisoned the prospect of peace.
that Islam and jihad represent “the only way to liberation, there is no doubt in
"Even the goal of the conflict for Palestinians has been obscured by jihad ideology. On Palestinian Authority television in June 2002, two eleven-year-old girls who had been thoroughly indoctrinated by the warriors of jihad even went so far as to exclaim that they would prefer death by suicide bombing to justice and peace for the Palestinian people. One was asked by the show’s host, “What is better, peace and full rights for the Palestinian people, or Shahada [martyrdom]?” She replied readily: “Shahada. I will achieve my rights after becoming a Shahida [martyr].” Her companion added: “Of course Shahada is a good thing. We don’t want this world, we want the Afterlife. We benefit not from this life, but from the Afterlife . . . The children of Palestine have accepted the concept that this is Shahada, and that death by Shahada is very good. Every Palestinian child aged, say 12, says ‘Oh Lord, I would like to become a Shahid.’”
READ THIS PEOPLE!!! THEY BELIEVE THIS! UNDERSTAND IT! NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DO NOT LIKE ME..NERMIN, BASHAR, ONENOSON, PEACE........BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THEY WANT! This is the main agenda!Better get ready! This is a wake up call. The Danish Imam Abu Laban, he wants this! Abu Jahjah, he wants this. The President of Iran wants this! True muslims that say they do not..are LYING to YOU! LYING!
"Identification of the Prophesied Imam Mahdi
The Holy Prophet Muhammad(SAW) has prophesied about several events that will occur just before the advent of the day of judgment. Among these, Rasulullah(SAW) has foretold the advent of one of his descendants, Al Mahdi (the guided one), which will materialize when the believers are severely oppressed in every corner of the world. He will fight the oppressors, unite the Muslims, bring peace and justice to the world, rule over the Arabs, and lead a prayer in Mekkah at which Isa(pbuh) (Jesus) will be present.
Throughtout the history of Islam, a few individuals -- driven either by the desperate state of Muslims in their community or a selfish pursuit of power and prestige -- laid claim to being Mahdi and found a following among the uninformed masses who were looking for salvation from the heavens. For some of these individuals (like Bab of Iran or Mirza Ghulam of India) the claim to being Mahdi was just a stepping stone to the development of heretic sects which broke away from the fold of Islam. Thus, it is at least prudent to visit the facts of this prophecy and avoid falling pray to false claimants that will appear from time to time.
As Muslims, we should remember that the prophecy about Mahdi is one that will come to pass. This prophecy, however, does not absolve the Muslim ummah from its duty to strive in the cause of Allah(SWT), oppose injustice, and seek peace and betterment of human condition. Centuries have passes from the time of the holy Prophet(SAW) and there is a good possibility that many more will expire before the advent of Al Mahdi. Muslims who are negligent in their duty hoping for a savior are committing a grave mistake and are not following the divine decrees ordained in Quran or taught by Rasulullah(SAW). "
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
iranian president
Submitted by nermin on Sat, 2006-02-11 18:05.
the newly elected iranian president is teh most suitable type of leader to deal with you.silence , patience and politness proved their total failure with arrogant people like u
The Iranian President is a
Submitted by A New Believer on Sat, 2006-02-11 18:54.
The Iranian President is an Islamofascist with a hidden agenda just like you Nermin!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
to this who mock our praying
Submitted by nermin on Sat, 2006-02-11 18:01.
yes we are praying not like u .. we worship our god who created u and that is why you are so malicious because it is quite teasing to you to see all those Muslims from morocco in the west to Indonesia in the east to even Muslims in France and Britain have the same word about their religion an d their prophet.
you are wondering how is that as u left and abandoned all religions long time ago and u want all people become like u.
also you hate our prophet because deep in your heart you are malicious how this man who died 1417 years ago still has this great effect and influence in the heart of his people.
you know that no man ever created on earth could and will never have this influence and that is why you are teased and malicious
Praying- by Nerim?
Submitted by Lode Runner on Sat, 2006-02-11 23:18.
Often wondered this. You pray facing Mecca three times a day. Do you take into account the curvature of the earth? If not, you're praying to outer space. So you kind of have to look down, point and aim in quite a few places. You'd have to be good at geometry, I suppose. However, if the rule is facing the horizion, different then. If you're on the opposite side of the globe, any way you face is good. You know, this is an untapped market. A Muslim GPS, flip it on, always tells you which direction to pray. You could make millions! Those of you that missed out on manufacturing Danish flags should jump on this bandwagon for sure.
To Lode Re: Praying
Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 00:44.
"It is five times Lode before she has a baby cow and implodes or explodes! Ssssheesh! You know how she gets, it that time again!"
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
To a new believer- joke
Submitted by Lode Runner on Sun, 2006-02-12 01:14.
OK- It's been heavy here- I'm American, but background mainly Danish swear to God (not allah). This 1's 4 u believer-
Thor, God of Thunder walks into a whorehouse. He proclaims, "MADAM, GIVE ME YOUR MIGHTIEST FEMALE MORTAL!" She says, "Oh, that would be Bernice- upstairs, second door on the left." Thor, God of Thunder walks upstairs, enters the room. 20 minutes later, the heavens part, thunder and lightning reign down. In the morning Thor thinks, "This is indeed a mighty female mortal! I shall take her to Vahalla and introduce her to Odin, and she will become my mortal bride"! He shakes her awake, waves his hammer Mjolnir in the air and announces, "Dear lady, I am THOR!". She says, "YOU'RE THOR? I'M THO THOR I CAN HARDLY PITH"! Now us folks of Scandenavian ancesty can take a joke. So these 2 Muslims walk into a bar. You'd think the second one would have seen it, but it was his wife! He forgot to cut out the holes for her eyes in her outfit!
I feel very Thor now! Praise Odin!
To Lode! hehehehehehehe!
Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 01:54.
*wiping my eyes from the tears and trying to rise from the floor from whence I had fallen* Oh that hurt!
That was good I did not know anyone knew Thorjokes! * huge smiles*
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
yes we are praying
Submitted by nermin on Sat, 2006-02-11 17:59.
yes we are praying not lik eu .. we worship our god who created u and taht is why you are so malicious because it is quite teasing to you to see all those muslims from moracco in the west to indonesia in the east to even muslims in france and britain have the same word about their religion an dtheir prophet.
you are wondering how is that as u left and abandoned all religions long time ago and u want all people becoem like u.
aslo you hate our prophet because deep in your heart you are malicous how this man who died 1417 years ago still has this great effect and influence in the heart of his people.
you know taht no man ever created onearth could an dwill never have this influence and taht is why you are teased and malicious
Yes we are prayin?
Submitted by Lode Runner on Sat, 2006-02-11 23:42.
Nermin, if we are so malicious, why is it that the radical Muslims seek to destroy the world and accelerate global annihilation? Where are the Christion and Jewish suicide bombers? You know what? The Arab countries that had oil and became filty rich, Saudi Arabia, had the opportunity to create a great society. They chose not to, NONE of them did. The few hoarded the oil money from the west and left their population poor. What's even funnier, is that the poor people blame the western countries pouring money into these countries! Their leaders could have embraced socialism or capitalism. Both systems have their faults, but they sure beat how the multi billionaires treat their "peasants" in Saudia Arabia. And the west gets blamed for what the rich Muslims do with the money. Why does the west get blamed? Because we're not Muslim! Besides being intolerant, for the most part (globally), the Muslims don't even know who their real opressers are in the Muslim world. They seem to thrive on ignorance and anger. They seem to despise reality and embrace religion. A very dangerous mixture.
Nermin go lick yourself,
Submitted by A New Believer on Sat, 2006-02-11 18:52.
Nermin go lick yourself, you are getting tiresome and you are not even making sense anymore!
Odinbe Praised! Baldur Save Us!
to taht who posted how islam is fast growing
Submitted by nermin on Sat, 2006-02-11 17:53.
you also Mr idiot to clearly show your total ignorance doubt the muslim number which is 1.5 billion.
donot u know Mr fool that indonesia which is an islamic country is 200 millions .
dont u fool know taht malysia whcih is also an islamic country is 140 millions.
donot u kno wtaht even china has 20 millions muslims.
donot u know taht egypt is 75 millions Mr fools.
do u know anything about the muslims population in india which are considered as the largest community in the world ..
do u think that u talk to fools like u
ISLAMS TRUE AGENDA!
Submitted by A New Believer on Sat, 2006-02-11 18:45.
Clean the chickenshit out of your ears Nermin! Honestly Nermin! The only fool here is you. First of all we were discussing the rate of muslims in Germany, and the respective size to the population there, you dim brained cow.
WORLD's POPULATION
60% of the world's population lives in the continent of Asia.
(India and China account for the majority of the Asian population mass and so there we have that)
Asia 3,866,437,804
Africa 873,742,214
Europe 729,389,373
North America 508,915,797
South America 366,803,836
Oceania (incl. Australia) 32,352,618
Antarctica no permanent population
Pay attention cow there will be a quiz later!
TEN LARGEST COUNTRIES IN POPULATION!
There are approximately 225 inhabited countries and territories in the world. About half the world's people live in the first six largest countries listed below.
China 1,306,313,812
India 1,080,264,388
United States 295,734,134
Indonesia 241,973,879
Brazil 186,112,794
Pakistan 162,419,946
Bangladesh 144,319,628
Russia 143,420,309
Nigeria 128,765,768
Japan 127,417,244
You still awake Cow!
Major Religions of the World
Christian 2,106,962,000
Roman Catholics 1,105,808,000
Independents 416,541,000
Protestants 369,848,000
Orthodox 218,427,000
Anglicans 78,745,000
Muslims 1,283,424,000
Hindus 851,291,000
Chinese Universists 402,065,000
Buddhists 375,440,000
Sikhs 24,989,000
Jews 14,990,000
Paying Atention Cow!
Major Roman Catholic Countries of the World
(% of population)1
Country Roman Catholic (%)
Argentina 92% (about 20% practicing)
Austria 74
Belgium 75
Belize 50
Bolivia 95
Brazil 80 (nominally)
Burundi 62
Chile 89
Colombia 90
Congo, Democratic Republic of the 50
Costa Rica 76
Croatia 88
Cuba 85 (nominally)
Dominican Republic 95
East Timor 90
Ecuador 95
El Salvador 83
France 83-88
Guadeloupe 95
Guam 85
Haiti 80 (half of population
practices Voodoo)
Honduras 97
Hungary 68
Ireland 92
Italy - primarily Roman Catholic
Lithuania - primarily Roman Catholic
Luxembourg 87
Malta 98
Martinique 85
Mexico 89 (nominally)
New Caledonia 60
Nicaragua 85
Panama 85
Paraguay 90
Peru 90
Philippines 83
Poland 95 (about 75% practicing)
Portugal 94
Puerto Rico 85
Reunion 86
Rwanda 57
Slovakia 60
Slovenia 71
Spain 94
Uruguay 66 (nominally)
Venezuela 96 (nominally)
You do not rule the West.. Hell You do not even rule Asia! The Chinese do not allow your bullshit! And if you want to see some extreme brutality carry that shit into India again! You obviously have no clue about Partition when they divided between Indian and Pakistan. And then the Bangaldeshi seceded years later from Western Pakistan. Tell you what start some shit with a Hindu and see what he will do for you! They are not kidding. They will rip the unborn child from your womb and smash that head against the walls. Muslims that could not make it to the borders, their corpses rotted along side the roads. Everytime they heard of atrocities coming from Hindus and other fleeing into India, just sparked the violence even more.
There you go Bessie!
Major Muslim Countries of the World
(% of population)1
Country Muslim (%)
Afghanistan 99
Albania 70
Algeria 99
Azerbaijan 93.4
Bahrain 100
Bangladesh 83
Brunei 67
Burkina Faso 50
Chad 51
Comoros 98
Djibouti 94
Egypt 94
Gambia, The 90
Gaza Strip 98.7
Guinea 85
Indonesia 88
Iran 98
Iraq 97
Jordan 92
Kuwait 85
Kyrgyzstan 75
Lebanon 60
Libya 97
Maldives Sunni Muslim
Mali 90
Mauritania 100
Mayotte 97
Morocco 98.7
Niger 80
Nigeria 50
Oman 75
Pakistan 97
Qatar 95
Saudi Arabia 100
Senegal 94
Sierra Leone 60
Somalia Sunni Muslim
Sudan 70
Syria 90
Tajikistan 90
Tunisia 98
Turkey 99.8
Turkmenistan 89
United Arab Emirates 96
Uzbekistan 88
West Bank 75
Yemen Muslim
You do not rule the world! hell you barely rock the world! What you do, do is run yor fat mouths hollering, gesiticulating and carrying on as if you are possessed by demons themselves. I think all muslims are really demons in disguise. And now you are a few muslims short of that because in Palkistan this morning, Sunnis and Shi'ias blew each other each screaming about the other being heretical buttheads! And you are peaceful, peace loving. You cannot even discuss the 12th Imam calmly with each other!
Listen Westerners This is what they are looking for! This is what they wish to happen. Why in the name of Hell do you think the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was walking around kissing Adolf Hitler's bum! He wanted this, so he could proclaim himself as the MADHI! Perhaps the Presient of Iran has delusions of grandeur, maybe he wants it. Maybe Saddam wanted it! The point is they will not be happy until THEY bring about
Armaggedon! They live for it, strice for it., Every muslim child is taught to pray for the opportunity to be a Shahid. They are taught to die in Shahada is the best thing that can happen. There are fundamentalists Christians that pray for the second coming but they do not want to go out there and push the button for the bomb! THESE ASSHOLES DO!
"Even the goal of the conflict for Palestinians has been obscured by jihad ideology. On Palestinian Authority television in June 2002, two eleven-year-old girls who had been thoroughly indoctrinated by the warriors of jihad even went so far as to exclaim that they would prefer death by suicide bombing to justice and peace for the Palestinian people. One was asked by the show’s host, “What is better, peace and full rights for the Palestinian people, or Shahada [martyrdom]?” She replied readily: “Shahada. I will achieve my rights after becoming a Shahida [martyr].” Her companion added: “Of course Shahada is a good thing. We don’t want this world, we want the Afterlife. We benefit not from this life, but from the Afterlife . . . The children of Palestine have accepted the concept that this is Shahada, and that death by Shahada is very good. Every Palestinian child aged, say 12, says ‘Oh Lord, I would like to become a Shahid.’”
READ THIS PEOPLE!!! THEY BELIEVE THIS! UNDERSTAND IT! NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DO NOT LIKE ME..NERMIN, BASHAR, ONENOSON, PEACE........BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THEY WANT! This is the main agenda!Better get ready! This is a wake up call. The Danish Imam Abu Laban, he wants this! Abu Jahjah, he wants this. The President of Iran wants this! True muslims that say they do not..are LYING to YOU! LYING!
"Identification of the Prophesied Imam Mahdi
The Holy Prophet Muhammad(SAW) has prophesied about several events that will occur just before the advent of the day of judgment. Among these, Rasulullah(SAW) has foretold the advent of one of his descendants, Al Mahdi (the guided one), which will materialize when the believers are severely oppressed in every corner of the world. He will fight the oppressors, unite the Muslims, bring peace and justice to the world, rule over the Arabs, and lead a prayer in Mekkah at which Isa(pbuh) (Jesus) will be present.
Throughtout the history of Islam, a few individuals -- driven either by the desperate state of Muslims in their community or a selfish pursuit of power and prestige -- laid claim to being Mahdi and found a following among the uninformed masses who were looking for salvation from the heavens. For some of these individuals (like Bab of Iran or Mirza Ghulam of India) the claim to being Mahdi was just a stepping stone to the development of heretic sects which broke away from the fold of Islam. Thus, it is at least prudent to visit the facts of this prophecy and avoid falling pray to false claimants that will appear from time to time.
As Muslims, we should remember that the prophecy about Mahdi is one that will come to pass. This prophecy, however, does not absolve the Muslim ummah from its duty to strive in the cause of Allah(SWT), oppose injustice, and seek peace and betterment of human condition. Centuries have passes from the time of the holy Prophet(SAW) and there is a good possibility that many more will expire before the advent of Al Mahdi. Muslims who are negligent in their duty hoping for a savior are committing a grave mistake and are not following the divine decrees ordained in Quran or taught by Rasulullah(SAW). "
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Carrying shit into India
Submitted by Bob Doney on Sat, 2006-02-11 20:48.
And if you want to see some extreme brutality carry that shit into India again!
12% of India's population is Muslim.
Bob Doney
Bob, I know that but the Hindus still rule the muslims tthere
Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 00:47.
I know that Bob I was speaking of Partition, when India and Pakistan separated, and muslims in India do not act up too much because the Hindu troops would love to roll in, just like they bust Sikh heads.
Odin Be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Very good information.
Submitted by blukat on Sat, 2006-02-11 19:33.
Thanks.
I appreciate it.
islam is fast growing
Submitted by nermin on Sat, 2006-02-11 17:48.
islam is most fast growing in the world through those wise people who happened to find their true way in this life.
islam is fast growing through intellectuals, university stuffs and thinkers not among people like u.
go and search for what is written by godie in newsyork times Mr fool.
go and search the net and see who is the author of what u will find ..then come back an dlet see what your reply
to watch their photos.
http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/june02_index.php?l=6
How Islam became the fastest growing religion:
Submitted by blukat on Sat, 2006-02-11 17:11.
Once upon a time, a Muslim came to the US to live. The following year another Muslim came to live in the US. That was an increase of Islam by 100% over the previous year. Them it went to their heads.
A few years ago it was reported online that Islam had nearly a billion followers. Within a few months, Muslims reported that Islam had a billion followers. By the next year, Islam, Muslims said, had over a billion followers. By now, Muslims are claiming that Islam has a billion and a half followers.
A few years ago it was reported that the US had 3 million Muslims. A few months later, Muslims claimed 5 million followers in the US. Just before 9/11 it was up to 10 million followers. After 9/11, the US reported that it had about 3 million followers.
And that's another way Islam became the fastest growing religion. In a word: It's another lie.
islam is fast growing through those
Submitted by nermin on Sat, 2006-02-11 17:43.
Austria
Muhammad Asad - Leopold Weiss
Statesman, Journalist, and Author
"I knew now, beyond any doubt, that it was a God-inspired book I was holding in my hand: for although it had been placed before man over thirteen centuries ago, it clearly anticipated something that could have become true only in this complicated, mechanized, phantom-ridden age of ours....
Denmark
Knud Holmboe - Ali Ahmed
Journalist and Author
Overtaken by a painful crisis of identity and faith, he gave up writing and sought refuge in a French monastery.....but something must have struck a chord, for a year on, we find him emerging from his retreat with his early interest in Islam confirmed.
Top
France
Rene Guénon - Abd al-Wahid Yahya
French Intellectual, Author and Critic
"Modern science in disavowing the principles [of traditional metaphysics and cosmology] and in refusing to attach itself to them, robs itself both of the highest guarantee and the surest direction it could have; there is no longer anything valid in it except knowledge of details, and as soon as it seeks to rise one degree higher, it becomes dubious and vacillating."
Frithjof Schuon
"Islam confronts what is immutable in God with what is permanent in man."
Top
Germany
Wilfried Hofmann
German Social Scientist and Diplomat
"I began to see Islam with its own eyes, as the unadulterated, pristine belief in the one and only, the true God, Who does not beget, and was not begotten, Whom nothing and nobody resembles …
Top
United Kingdom
Lord Headley Al-Farooq
Leading British peer, statesman and author.
"Islam and Christianity, as taught by Christ himself, are sister religions, only held apart by dogmas and technicalities which might very well be dispensed with...."
Hedley Churchward - Mahmoud Churchward
Artist Hedley Churchward became the first recorded British 'Guest of God'...
Charles Le Gai Eaton - Hassen Le Gai Eaton
Former British diplomat and Author
"I did not see how I could put one foot in front of the other unless I understood where I was going and why....All I knew was that I knew nothing - nothing, that is to say, of the slightest importance - and I was paralysed by my ignorance as though immobilised in a dense fog....."
Jemima Goldsmith - Haiqa Khan
"It would seem that a Western woman's happiness hinges largely upon her access to nightclubs, alcohol and revealing clothes; and the absence of such apparent freedom and luxuries in Islamic societies is seen as an infringement of her basic rights. However, as we all know, such superficialities have very little to do with true happiness....
Sir Archibald Hamilton
Statesman and Baronet
"There is no religion that is so maligned by the ignorant and the biased as is Islam; yet if people only knew, it is the religion of strong for the weak, the rich for the poor...
Yusuf Islam
Former Pop star Cat Stevens
"I realized that this was the true religion; religion not in the sense the West understands it, not the type for only your old age. In the West, whoever wishes to embrace a religion and make it his only way of life is deemed a fanatic. I was not a fanatic....
William Burchell Bashyr Pickard
Author, Poet and Novelist
"I purchased a copy of Savary's French translation of the Qur'an .... It was as if a ray of eternal truth shone down with blessedness upon me....
Marmaduke Pickthall
Translator of the Quran
Pickthall converted to Islam in 1917 and soon became a leader among the emerging group of British Muslims.
Peter Sanders - AbdulAdheem Sanders
Photographer
For Peter Sanders, faith and photography have both been part of his spiritual development. It was his search to capture the essence of reality that led him to Islam and, with camera in hand, to the door of the Kaaba......
Ruqaiyyah Waris Maqsood
Author
Author of some forty books on Islam and other subjects. She gained her honours degree in Christian Theology at the University of Hull in 1963, and Post Graduate Teaching Certificate in 1964, with distinctions in theory and practice.....
Top
USA
Muhammad Ali - Cassius Clay
Boxer, Three times World Heavyweight Champion
"I have had many nice moments in my life. But the feelings I had while standing on Mount Arafat (just outside Makka, Saudi Arabia) on the day of the Hajj (the Muslim pilgrimage), was the most unique............"
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor
Basketball Player
Acknowledged by many players as the greatest basketball player of all time, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is one of the most visible Muslims in the American public arena.
Jeffrey Lang
Author and Professor of Mathematics
He was conquered by the Qur’an...“Painters can make the eyes of a portrait appear to be following you from one place to another, but which author can write a scripture that anticipates your daily vicissitudes?..
Colonel Donald S. Rockwell
Poet, Critic & Author
"The democracy of Islam has always appealed to me. Potentate and pauper have the same rights on the floor of the mosque, on their knees in humble worship. There are no rented pews nor special reserved seats...
Alexander Russell Webb
Former US Consul, Writer and Journalist
"Unless one feels his mental independence and determines to exercise it firmly; unless he divests himself completely of the prejudices acquired from those with whom he has been in constant intercourse all his life, and which cling to him more closely than the barnacles to the ship's bottom, his investigation will be of little real value to him...."
Michael Wolfe
Author and Journalist
"After twenty-five years as a writer in America, I wanted something to soften my cynicism. I was searching for new terms by which to see......."
Malcolm X - Malik el-Shabbaz
"My pilgrimage broadened my scope. It blessed me with a new insight. In two weeks in the Holy Land, I saw what I never had seen in thirty-nine years here in America. I saw all races, all colors, -- blue-eyed blonds to black-skinned Africans -- in true brotherhood! In unity! Living as one! Worshipping as one!"
Hamza Yusuf - Mark Hanson
Director-Zaytuna Institute
"As a westerner, the child of civil rights and anti-war activists, I embraced Islam not in abandonment of my core values, drawn almost entirely from the progressive tradition, but as an affirmation of them..."
The Panic of the Euro-Muslim
Submitted by Gordonz on Sat, 2006-02-11 15:16.
If "Islaam is the Answer" then I have a question:
Why Don't you Live in an Islamic country?
You see, we have this idea called "freedom" which we have fought and died for, generations before you folded up your tent and were allowed to come here, or paid some Macedonian truck driver to sneak you in, hiding in oranges and watermelons, or however you or your parents got here.
Again, if you do not like our culture here in Europe, you are free to leave! Can't you grasp that idea? You can go!
For what reason would you want to live in a place who's very cultural foundations you find so insulting and offensive?
And the threats... they just don't work. Nobody is going to threaten us with "a 911" and change western society.
The free people of Europe have survived much more than a "911" throughout their history... much, much more. Your threats are tiresome.
Blowing up trains, cafes, buses... that's just not going to do it. Twenty, fifty, a hundred "911"'s are not going to do it. All that is going to do is make us stop being so hospitable, and right now you are being shown much hospitality. Believe me.
You're over-reaction to this cartoon episode, right on the heels of the French adventure with their "youths" and the cliche London tube and bus bombings was a strategic error, a big time PR fiasco for the now old image of the "scary demanding Islaamic terrorist." You better tighten up your operations.
Technology, attitudes, people... they all change very quickly. It isn't 2001 anymore.
Well said, Gordonz
Submitted by Patriot on Sat, 2006-02-11 15:37.
Perhaps we should discuss when the hospitality runs out?
Whoooops to paraphrase the
Submitted by A New Believer on Sat, 2006-02-11 16:27.
Whoooops to paraphrase the words of Alex Trebeck on Jeopardy! " I think their time is up!"
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
appeasing islam
Submitted by Patriot on Sat, 2006-02-11 14:57.
Why? to keep the peace? for how long? we need to get away from this mindset. Did it help to appease Hitler? You tell these people how it will be and if they don't like it, they eat shit and swim back to mecca.
Whoa!,,,you sure. I think
Submitted by A New Believer on Sat, 2006-02-11 16:24.
Whoa!,,,you sure. I think they can float back as ballons with all the hot air they are spouting Patriot!
odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
It seems as though the air
Submitted by Patriot on Sat, 2006-02-11 16:33.
It seems as though the air has run out of our muslim penpals, perhaps they're praying.
Get your Prophet Mohammed T-Shirt from the USA!
Submitted by blukat on Sat, 2006-02-11 07:02.
Here's the link for orders:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/2/inktomi343238.php
For only $18.99...