Danish Muslims Divided over Cartoon Affair
From the desk of Hjörtur J. Guðmundsson on Sun, 2006-01-08 11:14
The public prosecutor in the Danish town of Viborg has dismissed charges by 11 Muslim organizations in Denmark against the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten for its publication of 12 cartoons depicting Muhammad (see them here) last September. Islam prohibits depictions of the Muslim prophet. The charges were brought forward in October. The public prosecutor said the publishing of the cartoons did not violate laws on religious or racial discrimination or on blasphemy. Legal experts say this was to be expected. However, the Muslim organizations are disappointed and are considering appealing to the State Prosecutor and even to the European Court of Human Rights.
Meanwhile some imams, Muslim intellectuals and representatives of Muslim organizations in Denmark have visited a number of Muslim countries to “explain” the matter to local political and religious leaders and media. Their “explanations” were biased and inaccurate. The Danish-Egyptian Dialog Center in Cairo says that after meeting with the Muslim representatives from Denmark the Egyptian press has claimed that Danish newspapers are waging a campaign against Islam, that Copenhagen plans to introduce a state censored version of the Koran, that a Danish film is underway „to show how horrible Islam is“, and that the matter involves 120 cartoons – not 12.
In an editorial on January 1 Jyllands Posten called this “absurd diplomacy” and wondered why the Danish imams were spreading such hatred towards Denmark. Their loyalty is obviously not to Denmark but to Islam. These visits have also caused controversy among Muslims in Denmark. Hadi Kahn, chairman of the Organization of Pakistani Students in Denmark (OPSA), stressed that the group travelling to the Muslim countries does not represent all Muslims in Denmark.
A number of Danish professors said that it may damage the cause of Muslims in Denmark to continue trying to raise international criticism on Denmark instead of using the Danish legal system. The purpose of these visits has been to increase international pressure on the Danish government, but the whole issue has already become a major international dispute involving the United Nations, the European Council, the European Union, the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, and the Arab League.
Most recently the Islamic Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (ISESCO) called upon its 51 member states to boycott Denmark unless the Danish government apologizes for the cartoons. Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said that he has no power over what the media publishes since Denmark recognizes freedom of expression and freedom of the press. In his New Year’s Speech Rasmussen once again stressed the importance of protecting freedom of expression, but also the importance of demonstrating mutual respect and understanding for others. The speech is usually only translated into English, but was now for the first time translated into Arabic because there was much interest from Arab countries. This was seen as a positive step towards easing the tensions.
Last Thursday, Foreign Minister Per Stig Møller phoned Amr Moussa, the Secretary General of the Arab League, in an attempt to ease tensions. The two men agreed that this situation needed to end. Moussa also accepted the Danish position that there should be a mutual respect between religions and that politicians should not interfere in what the media decide to publish.
Jihad Against Danish Paper, 22 October 2005
Cartoon Case Escalates into International Crisis, 27 October 2005
Out of the Iranian Frying Pan into the Danish Fire, 29 October 2005
Pigs Do Not Fly, 17 November 2005
Bounty Offered for Murdering Cartoonists, 4 December 2005
UN to Investigate Racism of Danish Cartoonists, 7 December 2005
Dispatch from the Eurabian Front, 9 December 2005
Europe Criticises Copenhagen over Cartoons, 21 December 2005
Cartoon Case: EU and UN Call Denmark to Account, 28 December 2005
Danish Cartoon Affair: Letter from a Muslim, 31 December 2005
Why Buy Paper? Read The Brussels Journal, 8 January 2006
all shakspear novels are banned in your beloved country israel
Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-01-29 14:27.
in your beloved country israel.the one call herself oasis of freedom in the middle east,all novels of the great british writer shakspear are banned because he dared to write his novel merchant of venice, in which he expressed his point of view about the jew personality.
Merchant of Venice
Submitted by Bob Doney on Sun, 2006-01-29 15:51.
in your beloved country israel.the one call herself oasis of freedom in the middle east,all novels of the great british writer shakspear are banned because he dared to write his novel merchant of venice,
Well, that's strange, because I can find loads of Israeli bookshops that have got copies of "The Merchant of Venice" in stock and for sale.
By the way, Shakespeare did not write any novels - poems and plays were his thing. He probably would have written novels, but they had not been invented then.
Also by the way, Israel is not "my beloved country". My beloved country is England - and I love it IN SPITE OF its many, many faults and failings.
Bob Doney
Mr Bob
Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-01-29 16:00.
ok Mr Bob, the problem i s not to call it novel or play or poem.are you sure taht shakspear playes are not banned in israel. and why you say it is your not beloved while your belford prmise who was its foundation and till now your country is one of her biggest supporters. do you say taht you are with the mayor of london in his opinion regarding israel.
double standard
Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-01-29 14:16.
hi Bob: i knew that the image of prophets depicted in your holy books is disfigured but it is not the case in islam. we respect them and love them. even when you donot belive in prophet mohamad you should respect more than 1.5 billion present world wide.what if someone mock some one dear to you.in monacoo,the newpaper which published about the affair and the secret black son of prince albert apologized to him in the front page by court law while the news is correct and he made an interview in TV ragarding this matter.but you deny the feelings of all those muslims by your weird double standards.
Double standards
Submitted by Bob Doney on Sun, 2006-01-29 15:58.
you deny the feelings of all those muslims by your weird double standards
You seem very sure about this. Actually I don't approve of the publication of the cartoons. I see no need for people to be deliberately offensive to other people's religions. I would far rather people argued about the theology in a rational, calm and methodical way. People won't listen to reason if they are mocked and insulted.
On the other hand I don't think that the cartoons should be banned. You may think my point of view represents a double standard. At least you can say so without getting a load of abuse and threats back from me!!!!!!!!
By the way, I don't have any holy books. Though I like Charles Dickens...
Bob Doney
you said :You may think my
Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-01-29 16:18.
you said :You may think my point of view represents a double standard. At least you can say so without getting a load of abuse and threats back from me!!!!!!!!
ok can you tell why the leader of muslims in italy is in prison now for getting rid of the cross that was hanged on the wall of his sick mother hospital room. the court said the cross is a symbol of christianity. isnot italy in europe too and has freedom of opinion too or what and why the news paper apologized to prince of monacoo in her front page after publishing a real story about his secret affair and black son . the french new paper apologized by court law.
what do you say about these double standard measures
What do I say?
Submitted by Bob Doney on Sun, 2006-01-29 19:39.
what do you say about these double standard measures
I say I don't know anything about them, so it would have been good if you had provided some links to well-respected news sources about them.
Same with the "Shakespeare is banned in Israel" item.
Bob Doney
paris match in court
Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-01-29 20:33.
here is the link ,read it well to know how the respected french newsppaer went to court due to its publishing a true story about prince albert son.http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1521232,00.html.
the daenish premiere
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2006-01-29 16:23.
the daenish premiere minister is so stupid .. he thinks he defends freedom, in reality he is killing freedom
Aman: the minister of the Persian emperor who hated the Jews
Submitted by wondering about aman (not verified) on Thu, 2006-01-19 02:46.
Aman, in the Bible, favored minister of Ahasuerus. He commanded that all Jews be put to death. Esther interceded for her people, and Aman was hanged on the gallows he had set up for Mordecai.
Columbia University Encyclopedia
Wondering about wondering
Submitted by Aman on Mon, 2006-01-23 03:44.
"Aman: the minister of the Persian emperor who hated the Jews " this was really the most stupid comment I've ever read. The one who wrote it was trying to say that I 'm like that minister, in order to put me in the defense, well he was completely unsuccessful:
I've searched about that Persian minister, and I found that his original name was Haman, which is a famous Persian name, while the name I've chosen is Aman, which is an Arabic word means: honesty, integrity, probity, troth, and trust.
And by the way: the Israelis refer to the so called "Israeli defense forces" as AMAN, so according to the logic of that comment: The Israelis hate the Jews!!!
We as Muslims don't hate anybody because of his religion, simply because we believe in all the divine religions, but unfortunately some westerns are full of hatred based on religion.
The Muslims are not against Jews, they are against the occupation of the Palestinian land by the Israelis.
The Nazis" not the Muslims" have killed the Jews, and now the Westerns are repeating the same crime by supporting Israel in killing the Palestinians.
Hitler has killed the Jews, so why should the Palestinians pay the price? Why should they give their own land "Palestine" to the victims of Hitler? Why are the Westerns so generous in giving land of other people to victims of their wars? Why don't they give them a piece of land from their own property?
Freedom of speech
Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2006-01-10 01:38.
can a Western society retain freedom of speech and expression while the percentage of Moslems continues to increase?
As usual there are a lot of folks getting very excitable and overheated on here. Anyone would think that absolute freedom of speech has been the norm throughout Western Europe since the year dot, and only since the arrival of the wicked Muslims has there been any problem.
In the UK until the 1960s all theatrical performances in the UK were subject to censorship by the Lord Chamberlain (a stooge of HM Majesty the Queen), and the censorship was very strict. In Shakespeare's day poets and playrights were always falling foul of the government's spies, and "falling foul" didn't mean a reprimand or a fine, but more likely a dagger in the back down a dark alley.
And the guy who shot John Lennon wasn't a Muslim, was he?
Bob Doney
Bob Doney engages in a form
Submitted by Neo-Refusnik (not verified) on Thu, 2006-01-12 18:13.
Bob Doney engages in a form of tu quogue by referring to past forms of censorship in Europe in response to the ongoing crisis in Denmark. Doney writes: "Anyone would think that absolute freedom of speech has been the norm throughout Western Europe since the year dot, and only since the arrival of the wicked Moslems has there been any problem". Well, if so, then "anyone" would be profoundly ignorant of the centuries of strife and sacrifice required to obtain freedom of expression, and "anyone" would be a fool to hold such an opinion. Thus it seems that Doney is bashing a strawman, rather than discuss the very real issue that free expression appears to not be compatible with Islam.
Plus, the fact remains that even the "moderate" Moslem nations of Turkey, Bosnia and Egypt demanded that the Danish government censor a newspaper. These governments are demanding that Denmark change its culture, and possibly its laws, to meet the religion of Islam. The fact remains that death threats, rather credible in the wake of the murder of van Gogh, have been leveled quite freely by Moslems towards the cartoon artists, the newspaper and others. And now we see the same pattern repeating in Norway, where a couple of minor publications reprinted the cartoons in solidarity with the Danes...and a Moslem council has denounced this in no uncertain terms. The Supreme Islamic Council (SIC) of Norway has condemned in the strongest terms the publication of the cartoons of Mohammed. The head of the SIC, Mohammed Hamdan, furiously demanded to know "What on earth does freedom of expression mean?" and therein lies a clue to the nature of the problem.
Minimizing the serious nature of this problem does no one any favors. Ignoring the facts certainly won't make the problem go away, either.
It's not Democracy
Submitted by Aman on Fri, 2006-01-13 01:58.
Islam is not opposite of democracy. You can criticize any Muslim in the world , because Muslims are humans, they of course do mistakes, and the misbehavior of some Muslims is because they don't follow the Quran and the teaching of prophet Muhammad.
BUT Attacking prophet Muhammad , the symbol of tolerance and mercy, and telling lies about him, will of course make 1,2 billion Muslim angry. Humiliating this huge number of people is NOT democracy at all.
From the view point of the people who drew the picture, Islam is Terrorism; so is it possible that 1/4 of the people living on earth are terrorists !! Please read about Islam before attacking this religion.
Islam is against the killing or threatening of anyone " including those who drew the pictures". Do you know that even at war prophet Muhammad told his followers not to hurt elderly people , women, children, unarmed men, or even to kill an animal or cut a tree.
Aman says that the "prophet
Submitted by John (not verified) on Wed, 2006-01-18 20:13.
Aman says that the "prophet Muhammad , the symbol of tolerance and mercy: Well, if he would read the Hadiths, he would see that his symbol of tolerance and mercy was a man who murdered, raped, tortured and beat his wife. Its all there. And this man is, according to Muslims, a great example to be followed. Perhaps that explains the terror thing.
No, 1/4 of the people living on earth are NOT terrorists, they are in denial and are dishonest about their religion.
About that "Do you know that even at war prophet Muhammad told his followers not to hurt elderly people , women, children, unarmed men, or even to kill an animal or cut a tree." So that is why he wrote"Kill the infidels wherever you find them."
Lets be honest... Go to a search engine and do a search with the words "Mohammed" "Murder" "Torture" "rape" and follow the links. Be sure to look for Islamic sites so you can get their side of the story, if you can find any. They really don't want to talk about these things.
JA
satanic cartoons
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2006-01-29 18:39.
John,
Religion is something holy. So everyone have to respect them : catholicism, judaism, islam, buddhism, etc.
I can see that you are very influenced by media which take pleasure to criticize islam for years. It's so fashion !
So, I don't want to waste time with you and your fellows, I have nothing to tell you whithout : keep your mouth closed, that's better.
Fatima, a Citizen of the World.
dear bashar
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 2006-01-29 19:04.
"let us how first if they accept to publish this.........mr jasper they cut the throat of a black boy in brussels the arian belge why you do not react ahhhhhhhh excuse me he is black sorry no blond blue eye dam it man open your eye"
Dear bashar, the boy's throat was cut by "North African" youths, in other words by followers of the prophet. you can find the story on this very website. I suppose you will answer they are bad muslims etc etc We are used to that. But don't insult me for being a racist arian "belge".
dear anonymous are you sure
Submitted by bashar dannaoui (not verified) on Sun, 2006-01-29 22:33.
dear anonymous are you sure they are north youth african? send me a link....
please to correct my information please aprrof not saying on the street like what happens in holland becuase i am dutch once they burn a moske and they was saying they are the radicales muslims against the good muslims....and yes you are white belge arian becuase in the netherlands and belge ther are now allowing gay marriage and threesome and that is ok white arian belge and dutch but when muslims have the right to marry four if he can be fair with them thats is a big problem issue and a tararian issue for the white arian europpen
bashar, you will find the
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2006-01-30 14:44.
bashar, you will find the story on the home page of this very site under the title "racist murder shocks brussels Africans". But in your reaction you already made it clear you will deny the truth of the story, as expected. The rest of your reply is extremely insulting, but we are getting used to that, thank you.
Proud of Islam
Submitted by Aman on Mon, 2006-01-23 03:32.
John said: "1/4 of the people living on earth are NOT terrorists, they are in denial and are dishonest about their religion".
So he accused this huge number of Muslims, of being liars, and he refused their explanation of their own religion, and instead of that; he chose to depend on wrong, false, or purposely manipulated translations, made by non Muslims who hate anybody with a different point of view, or in best cases; Know nothing about Islam.
Anybody can write anything he wants on the internet; does this mean that all what you can find on the web is right and authenticated.
Why should Muslims be dishonest about their religion?
We don't have anything to hide, but in contrast, we want everybody to know the truth of our religion, whereas intolerant people always try to tell lies about Islam, may be because they are afraid of a fair competition with Islam!!!
I'm an atheist! God bless me!
Submitted by joseph (not verified) on Thu, 2006-02-02 18:59.
I'm an atheist! God bless me!
Please stop kidding me with your fairytales; today, the only thing that come with religions? Wars! Is that a progress?
joseph
to atheist
Submitted by nermin on Thu, 2006-02-02 19:48.
so you relieved your self from any religion and you laugh too..never blessed but cursed .what are you doing here anyway..
to atheist
Submitted by nermin on Thu, 2006-02-02 19:47.
so you relieved your self from any religion and you laugh too..what are you doing here anyway..
The Truth of Islam
Submitted by Aman on Mon, 2006-01-23 02:24.
Many many horrible lies about prophet Muhammad ( PBUH )have been told by "John". I can't reply in the same ugly way, because Muslims believe in all the prophets of God; Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus, and prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon them all). It's part of our religion to believe in them and to respect them all.
I'm a Muslim and I've read the Holy Koran " revealed by God" and the Hadith " the speeches of prophet Muhammad ". they are both written in Arabic which is my native language. So I can understand them much better than "John" do.
Muslims fight only those who attack, fight , or kill them.
Koran says: "And fight in the way of Allah (God) with those who fight you, and do not outrage, surely Allah does not like those who outrage (190:2)".
Hundreds of thousands of non-Muslims are living in peace and safety among Millions of Muslims, in Muslim countries; their religion is respected there , nobody disrespect their prophet " contrary to what is happening in Denmark and Norway " . they wear big crosses and that is not forbidden " contrary to the French prevention of veil. And if anyone dare to hurt a Christian, he would get very harsh sentence by the authorities.
The prophet of Islam said: “Whoever hurts a non Muslim, I shall be his complainant and for whoever I am a complainant, I shall ask for his right on the day of Resurrection.” (Hadith)
Koran says: “God does not forbid you, to act fairly towards those who have never fought you over religion nor have driven you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them.” (60:8)
reply to this fool armyscout43(1)
Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-05 13:56.
In Uk after princess Diana death, they outrage on the media an d the press and wanted to make laws which save the personal life of celebrities and royal family members ..
In france recently prince albert f monaco sued paris match mazasien for publishing a true story about his secret son and he won the case and the magazine apologized in its front page in the same place where it published the same true story about him before .not only this but the magazine will pay him money as compensation(The prince successfully sued Paris Match for invasion of privacy, and last week the magazine was fined €50,000 in damages, plus costs) Q.f.the guardian. …
For whoever want to get assured see this link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1521232,00.html
so there is no absolute freedom of speech as you all claim….
So can anyone tell me where is the freedom of speech here..is not France is present in Europe tooo or is it transferred and we donot know..
Again double standard measures and genuine hate and arrogance toward anything which is related to islam and muslims..
Can any one reply to me
to this fool army(2)
Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-05 13:58.
is that what you are only able of .ugly words.you are a patriot in ugly words only.
i asked for a reply but you failed as usual.
anyway in arabic we say whoever say ugly bad words.teh bad words turn around an dreturn to the one who said them.
thi sappkly to you mr.
saying bad ugly words is weakness because there i sno more easier tahn exchanging ugly words.while logic words or replies are most difficult .to you of course
to fool army(3)
Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-05 14:03.
all what i mentioned are documnetd abd books you ignorant cannot read because of your ignorance...but these are non muslims but have brain not like you.;
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."
Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33.
to nermin
Submitted by halleluya on Sun, 2006-02-05 14:06.
hilter was the second most voted.
tell that too ,lol
both fascist
to hallyua
Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-05 15:47.
hitler ,neron ,mosollini were normal secretion of culture like yours
to hallyua
Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-05 15:46.
hitler ,neron ,mosollini were noraml secretion of culture like yours
Why do people always say
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2006-01-09 23:17.
Why do people always say that Europeans need Muslim immigrants to fill up their continent because the Europeans' birth rate is below replacement, and they need the new immigrants to support the welfare payments of the aging population? The question I have is: what signs do these immigrant advocates have to indicate that these young immigrants would support them? Why should they? Won't it be better for the Europeans to lower their taxes now so that they don't have to support a large population of welfare receiving immigrants and save for their own retirements while they still can?
I am told that someone
Submitted by Ray Elliott (not verified) on Mon, 2006-01-09 20:58.
I am told that someone having a tantrum can be stopped by placing a pistol to their head and telling them that they will be shot if they do not stop. This suggests that behavior can be modified by offering sufficient consequences.
The liberal and leftist appeasement to the muslim threats indicate that they have responded to sufficient threat.
Can the reverse also be true? Can sufficient threat be made to the Muslims such that they stop their threatening behavior? What sort of threat would this be? Prison? deportation?
The Muslim threats will continue to expand until they find resistance sufficient to stop them.
The deeper question that is
Submitted by Observer (not verified) on Mon, 2006-01-09 17:54.
The deeper question that is not being discussed is simple: can a Western society retain freedom of speech and expression while the percentage of Moslems continues to increase?
Many will not like to see such a stark "either - or" issue, but it is clear that Islam demands as a matter of course that some topics cannot ever be discussed in any form. Not in print, not in an artwork, not in a novel, not anywhere. Salman Rushdie found out about the novel, Theo van Gogh found out about the film, and now the artists living with death threats over their heads are finding out about the printing of cartoons.
Free speech used to be one of the bedrocks that liberals and leftists would refuse to give up under any pressure, but now we see them essentiallly urging just that. If some group of Christians had made threats of death in the United States over the "Piss Christ" display we should not hear the end of it even now, but the silence of the artistic community over Rushdie, van Gogh, the Aftenposten does no credit. Where does it end, this giving-up of basic Western culture, under the pressure of Islam? Where does it end? The Danes have taken something of a stand, but are under pressure from NGO's of the Left.
Multiculturalism vs. free speech, choose one side or the other, but it isn't possible to choose both. The fundamental premise of multiculturalism has been shown false; some cultures are simply incompatible with others, no matter how many NGO-sponsored conferences are held in Davos and other places. That is the question for Europe in the first half of this century.
Muslim reactions to the Danish cartoons
Submitted by George (not verified) on Sun, 2006-01-08 19:28.
I find the extreme reaction from Muslims, both in Europe and abroad, to the Danish cartoons of Mohammed quite absurd. Besides lacking a sense of humor about cultural and religious icons, they show no understanding of the right to freedom of expression in Western civilizations. As Professor Samuel Huntington predicted in his book, The New World Order and the Clash of Civilizations, the fault lines will be between the Muslim and Judeo-Chrtistian sensibilities. The only bright ray of hope surrounding this latest clash is that The New York Times finally published an article on the controversy in the international section of its online newspaper(last Saturday, I think). Of course, being liberal in its editorial view point, the reporter portrayed Muslims as the injured party, victims of "Islamophobia," according to a quote from an imam in Europe. And, of course, there was no mention of the Danish cartoonists, who had to go into hiding because of death threats against them. This intellectual disease of political correctness is actually a form of intellectual appeasement. And eventually appeasement leads to capitulation to political and religious extremists. So "Bravo" to the public prosecutor in the Danish town of Viborg for dismissing the charges against the Jylland-Posten by 11 Muslim organizations, he has stuck a blow for freedom to all libertarians around the world. And another "Bravo" to the Brussels Journal for reporting on this issue.
I strongly stress the fact
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 2006-01-31 17:11.
I strongly stress the fact that drawing cartoons about a man considered by a group of people as a prophet, attacking the koraan and islam is not a civilized gesture. The muslims have never attacked Jesus, Moses or other prophets. I do know that there r muslims like Bin Laden abusing Islam for their ill causes. Any civilized and literate person should judge a religion not from its believers but from the messages it passes on which unfotunately could be misunderstood or twisted by some. The true spirit of Islam lies in the koraan and sona not within the muslims themselves. There r many terrorists around the world who embrace different religions but their religions have never been attacked like Islam. As a muslim i was deeply hurt by the Danish paper and the entire Danish society thst backed up the paper and encouraged more. As a muslim i will always respect all prophets and others for that is what our great teacher Muhammed have taught us.