Danish Muslims Divided over Cartoon Affair

The public prosecutor in the Danish town of Viborg has dismissed charges by 11 Muslim organizations in Denmark against the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten for its publication of 12 cartoons depicting Muhammad (see them here) last September. Islam prohibits depictions of the Muslim prophet. The charges were brought forward in October. The public prosecutor said the publishing of the cartoons did not violate laws on religious or racial discrimination or on blasphemy. Legal experts say this was to be expected. However, the Muslim organizations are disappointed and are considering appealing to the State Prosecutor and even to the European Court of Human Rights.

Meanwhile some imams, Muslim intellectuals and representatives of Muslim organizations in Denmark have visited a number of Muslim countries to “explain” the matter to local political and religious leaders and media. Their “explanations” were biased and inaccurate. The Danish-Egyptian Dialog Center in Cairo says that after meeting with the Muslim representatives from Denmark the Egyptian press has claimed that Danish newspapers are waging a campaign against Islam, that Copenhagen plans to introduce a state censored version of the Koran, that a Danish film is underway „to show how horrible Islam is“, and that the matter involves 120 cartoons – not 12.

In an editorial on January 1 Jyllands Posten called this “absurd diplomacy” and wondered why the Danish imams were spreading such hatred towards Denmark. Their loyalty is obviously not to Denmark but to Islam. These visits have also caused controversy among Muslims in Denmark. Hadi Kahn, chairman of the Organization of Pakistani Students in Denmark (OPSA), stressed that the group travelling to the Muslim countries does not represent all Muslims in Denmark.

A number of Danish professors said that it may damage the cause of Muslims in Denmark to continue trying to raise international criticism on Denmark instead of using the Danish legal system. The purpose of these visits has been to increase international pressure on the Danish government, but the whole issue has already become a major international dispute involving the United Nations, the European Council, the European Union, the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, and the Arab League.

Most recently the Islamic Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (ISESCO) called upon its 51 member states to boycott Denmark unless the Danish government apologizes for the cartoons. Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said that he has no power over what the media publishes since Denmark recognizes freedom of expression and freedom of the press. In his New Year’s Speech Rasmussen once again stressed the importance of protecting freedom of expression, but also the importance of demonstrating mutual respect and understanding for others. The speech is usually only translated into English, but was now for the first time translated into Arabic because there was much interest from Arab countries. This was seen as a positive step towards easing the tensions.

Last Thursday, Foreign Minister Per Stig Møller phoned Amr Moussa, the Secretary General of the Arab League, in an attempt to ease tensions. The two men agreed that this situation needed to end. Moussa also accepted the Danish position that there should be a mutual respect between religions and that politicians should not interfere in what the media decide to publish.

 

More on this topic:

Jihad Against Danish Paper, 22 October 2005

Cartoon Case Escalates into International Crisis, 27 October 2005

Out of the Iranian Frying Pan into the Danish Fire, 29 October 2005

Pigs Do Not Fly, 17 November 2005

Bounty Offered for Murdering Cartoonists, 4 December 2005

UN to Investigate Racism of Danish Cartoonists
, 7 December 2005

Dispatch from the Eurabian Front, 9 December 2005

Europe Criticises Copenhagen over Cartoons, 21 December 2005

Cartoon Case: EU and UN Call Denmark to Account, 28 December 2005

Danish Cartoon Affair: Letter from a Muslim, 31 December 2005

Why Buy Paper? Read The Brussels Journal
, 8 January 2006

Funny enough we never hear

Funny enough we never hear about all those who flee from this gruesome medEVIL to women oppressive system which Islam truly is.
Why?
Simply because they are in an outmost life-threatening situation. The doctrines of this peace loving religion simply command its proselytes to kill those who flee from it.

I hereby proclaim the new crusade against Islam and all its evilness for started.

Gorm

to crusader gorm

Funny enough we never hear about all those who flee from this gruesome medEVIL to women oppressive system which Islam truly is.
Why?
Simply because they are in an outmost life-threatening situation. The doctrines of this peace loving religion simply command its proselytes to kill those who flee from it.

I hereby proclaim the new crusade against Islam and all its evilness for started.

Gorm

what about all those highly educated great men from your western culture who convert to islam..
islam is not made for u fool .islam is made for those wise peopel who has a brain...

To Gorm Dear Gorm, Do not

To Gorm

Dear Gorm,

Do not pay any attention to that filthy rotten hooker peace. He is still mad because a haus fell on his sister, the wicked witch of islam! hehe! as I seem to recall it the crusaders kicked great load of bum. Makes me feel bad what they did to the Knights templar, they were crushing them under their metal boots. Oh well, give us time again. In the meantime care for a carlsberg and a delicious danish ham and cheese sandwich on toasted black bread. I have plenty, glad Democracy Now did not shoot me about the translation! eeep! I did say before that I was not very good at Dutch hehe!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

rotten hooker

of course u cannot blush ..did i have ever said taht as u are slut hooker bitch.....no man in sight ha..

let me see what you will alll say about prince charles......i know u all lost now you the rest of your remaining brain..

To rotten hooker peace

rotten hooker peace, I really like your new name. It looks good on you. As for Prince Charles you should have seen my reply beotch, by now! I am afraid Prince Charles does not do it for me. You mention him a lot. Is there something we should know about...something Imran should know about? Hmmm? I think you have the hots for him. Give it up! He will never choose you rotten hooker peace, he has Camilla! And he ruined his marriage with Diana to keep Camilla! You will never get to hold him. I am so sorry!
There , there do not cry* hands you, your frilly chiffon handkerchief* I should point out that men carry silk or good coton handkerchiefs and ladies use cambric and lace ones> Watch the tears.. your mascara is running! If you run quickly, you can catch it!

bye bye

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

rotten hoooker( this is your name i gave to u before and all are

rotten hoooker( this is your name i gave to u before and all are witness upon that here hhahhha...
u r really filthy rotten slut bitch rotten hooker..it is you rnmae slut that i gave it to yesterday ...you are teh gay ...i hear u crying and weaping for taht arabic man with balck eyes who left you as your rubbish garbage slut .of course he is now with one pretty decent pretty arabic muslim wife with pure tongue not a slut bitch like u with nasty tongue like the mst filthy drunken tipsy men in chigaco bars..

prince charles is not the only british ...elite british convert to islam daily .....there are many westerner s who happend to have brains ...i willleave u now talking to yourself discussing about BBC and norwyan minister boycotting leave u in your desperate misery......you are just weaping now hahahhhh

to rotten fithy hooker peace forever is the name i gave you sou

rotten hoooker is the name i gave to you sounds so sweet to you doesn't it!u before and all are
Submitted by peace on Wed, 2006-02-15 19:40.
rotten hoooker( this is your name i gave to u before and all are witness upon that here hhahhha...
u r really filthy rotten slut bitch rotten hooker..it is you rnmae slut that i gave it to yesterday ...you are teh gay ...i hear u crying and weaping for taht arabic man with balck eyes who left you as your rubbish garbage slut .of course he is now with one pretty decent pretty arabic muslim wife with pure tongue not a slut bitch like u with nasty tongue like the mst filthy drunken tipsy men in chigaco bars..

prince charles is not the only british ...elite british convert to islam daily .....there are many westerner s who happend to have brains ...i willleave u now talking to yourself discussing about BBC and norwyan minister boycotting leave u in your desperate misery......you are just weaping now hahahhhh

you should not talk about yourself like this it is alright for you to be gay we all know now.. Take care and ddo not cause too many problems. but get ready to do this all day long Peace, because I have lots of time! I am not miserable. You are the only here that is miserable. You need a life, but relax Imran has not given you up yet! So all is well.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

rotten hooker

hehhahah..you slut bitch rotten hooker..this is your full name from now on.
you think yourself funny while u sleep here on this site looking for any pig to give u any consideration but u failed hhehhah...take your psychotic drug now slut bitch rotten hooker.hehhhahhh

to filthy rotten hooker peace

Time for your halidol dear! The look is good, you may make it yet on Gay Star Search! I am having so much fun with making you crazy> That is sad! I was the only female in a class of 200 guys roteen filthy hooker peace, I have heard it all, grew up around military soldiers. If you are looking to make me blush or angry.. you cannot! * laughing my ass off* You are very lame with it! But as long as you can dish it out I can take it and better still hand it right back to you * slaps your tired useless gay ass* Now hurry up and get back to the cameras. I hear they are filming Hooker peaces does Dallas! Seriously, get someone to help with the makeup and pluck those eyebrows they are growing way too close together! He is over here Imran.. trying to steal dresses again!

Bye bye

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Western woman's happiness hinges largely upon her access to nigh

....."
Jemima Goldsmith - Haiqa Khan
"It would seem that a Western woman's happiness hinges largely upon her access to nightclubs, alcohol and revealing clothes; and the absence of such apparent freedom and luxuries in Islamic societies is seen as an infringement of her basic rights. However, as we all know, such superficialities have very little to do with true happiness....

Ah yes Jemima Khan nee Goldsmith perhaps Grant?

"Western woman's happiness hinges largely upon her access to nigh
Submitted by nermin on Tue, 2006-02-14 15:39.
....."
Jemima Goldsmith - Haiqa Khan
"It would seem that a Western woman's happiness hinges largely upon her access to nightclubs, alcohol and revealing clothes; and the absence of such apparent freedom and luxuries in Islamic societies is seen as an infringement of her basic rights. However, as we all know, such superficialities have very little to do with true happiness.... "

When Jemima Goldsmith announced she was marrying Pakistani cricketing legend Imran Khan, eyebrows were raised. The beautiful English heiress, a close friend of Princess Diana, waved goodbye to her studies, London society and Christianity, exchanging them for Islam and a life in Lahore as a political wife.

Jemima was born in London on January 30, 1974, to tycoon Sir James Goldsmith and his then mistress, Lady Annabel Vane Tempest Stewart. The couple went on to marry in 1976.

A bright girl, seen as the apple of her father's eye, Jemima was an excellent horsewoman, and many thought she had the talent to become a professional showjumper. But she chose to turn her back on equitation and took up a place on Bristol University's prestigious English course.

The beautiful socialite with the mane of tawny hair was not to finish her higher education, however. When she met Imran, a dashing Oxford-educated cricketer – 42 to her 21 – at a nightclub in London in 1995, the attraction was as mutual as it was instantaneous.

In May 1995, the two married in a two-minute ceremony – conducted in Urdu – in Paris, with a civil ceremony at Richmond Register Office the following month. The dinner dance held at Jemima's parents' house that evening was attended by the cream of London society. In place of wedding presents, Jemima, in typical style, asked guests for donations to the cancer hospital in Lahore, named after her husband's late mother.

The couple set up home in Pakistan, where Imran set out to carve a career for himself in politics – he is the leader of the Movement for Justice Party, which is campaigning to end corruption in the country. Eighteen months later, Jemima, by then speaking Urdu and campaigning to improve the country's literacy levels, presented her husband with his first son, Suleiman. Their second, Qasim, was born in 1999.

Jemima appears to have inherited her father's entrepreneurial qualities. As well as developing her own brand of ketchup, she set up a fashion label, the profits from which went to the Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer hospital. But in 2001 the budding entrepreneur, citing the economic downturn, announced the label would close.

Jemima is no slouch when it comes to sartorial elegance herself. "I couldn't define my style – that's impossible," says Jemima. "I like comfort and elegance with a bit of glamour thrown in. If I like something, I'll wear it for years."

At the start of the new millennium Jemima and Imran appeared to be drifting apart, and she returned to her native London to enroll at university. Although they initially denied rumours that the marriage was in trouble, in June 2004, after nine years of marriage, a spokesperson for the political party which Imran founded in Pakistan announced the marriage was over.

In the months that followed the press took a keen interest in her friendship with British film star Hugh Grant. While the pair did their best to keep the relationship under wraps at first, they have since confirmed they are very much in love.

Yes it certainly seems all that you said and crowed over did not last. But you knew she had left him. Did not stay "too stupid, too long" did she?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

weiss

by Martin Kramer
A Jewish convert to Islam tried to reform it.

The Road from Mecca:
Muhammad Asad
(born Leopold Weiss)

From The Jewish Discovery of Islam

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In August 1954, there appeared in America a remarkable book, written by an author named Muhammad Asad and bearing the title The Road to Mecca. The book, a combination of memoir and travelogue, told the story of a convert to Islam who had crossed the spiritual deserts of Europe and the sand deserts of Arabia, on a trek that brought him ultimately to the oasis of Islamic belief. The book immediately won critical acclaim, most notably in the prestige press of New York, where Simon and Schuster had published it. One reviewer, writing in The New York Herald Tribune Book Review, called it an "intensely interesting and moving book."1 Another reviewer, on the pages of The New York Times, placed the book in the pantheon of Arabian travel literature: "Not since Freya Stark," he wrote, "has anyone written so happily about Arabia as the Galician now known as Muhammad Asad."2

Muhammad Asad (1900-92) was a converted Jew, named Leopold Weiss at birth. He was no ordinary convert. Asad not only sought personal fulfillment in his adopted faith. He tried to affect the course of contemporary Islam, as an author, activist, diplomat, and translator of the Qur'an. Muhammad Asad died in February 1992 at the age of ninety-one, so that his career may be said to have paralleled the emergence of every trend in contemporary Islam.

wise people

Italy’s ambassador to Saudi Arabia accepted Islam. Torquato Cardilli revealed his decision on November 25, 2001, his 59th birthday.

Cardilli is a graduate in oriental culture and languages from the University of Naples. He also served as ambassador to Albania and Tanzania. He is married with two children and speaks Arabic fluently.

His conversion follows many years of study in Islam. Finally, he officially converted to Islam in Saudi Arabia on November 16, 2001, on the eve of the holy month of Ramadan. In a press statement, he expressed his happiness and said that he was fully convinced of the truthfulness of Islam through his regular readings of the Holy Qur’an.

This is the second time that an Italian ambassador to Saudi Arabia converted to Islam. Seven year ago, Mario Scialoja shocked everyone when he converted to Islam. He was at that time Rome’s permanent representative to the United Nations in New York. He was later posted to Saudi Arabia as Italy’s ambassador in 1994-95.

some 3,000 to 5,000 Italians have recently converted to Islam from Catholicism.

Italian Ambassador to Saudi Arabia

Italian Ambassador to Saudi Arabia Converts to Islam

RIYADH, November 25, 2001
The Italian ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Torquato Cardeilli, has converted to Islam, the Italian embassy here announced Sunday, news agencies reported.

Following a close reading of the Holy Qur'an and study of Islamic culture, Cardeilli embraced Islam to become the first ambassador to convert to Islam in Saudi Arabia, home to Islam's holiest sites in Mecca and Medina, according to an office which handles conversions to Islam.

Sheikh Nouh bin Nasser's office said the Italian ambassador converted to Islam on Nov. 15, the day before the start of the Muslim holy fasting month of Ramadan.

"He came to the office and read the two testimonies [necessary to declare faith: 'I proclaim that there is no God but Allah, and I proclaim that Mohammad is His Prophet and Messenger'] and then prayed with us," Nasser told Agence France-Presse (AFP).

During his 34-year diplomatic career, Arabic-speaking Cardeilli, a graduate in linguistics and Oriental civilization, has been posted to several Arab countries and took up his current post in Riyadh in November 2000.

Cardeilli, 59, a father of two, was not available for comment as he left Riyadh for Rome on Saturday.

Saudi Arabia has in the past few years witnessed the conversion of more than 50,000 foreigners to Islam, the Saudi daily newspaper Oqaz reported.

According to Nouh, an average of three to four people convert to Islam at his office every day, and the number rises to five during Ramadan. Twenty similar offices operate in Riyadh and many more in other cities.

The only ignorance I see

The only ignorance I see here is YOUR thinking that we are so stupid we will believe the sweet talk and gestures. Of course I am a woman telling you this ..so my opinion does not matter UNLESS I just bent over and KISSED your ASS online, and then I will become as a wondrous dove having finally seen the light of the error of my ways............SORRY! Have not seen the light, in fact, you are growing very dim actually! I would rather be the bond maiden of a Viking Jarl in the year 800 than a muslim woman in this day and age!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To Emeda Really you are full of shit! They are related!

Stop lying! Islam what is printed on paper and what you people do are not one and the same. Lies and propoganda is more to the point with islamonline!

Every last one of those things happens. Now you are going to tell me they do not..who is being naive here! You had better check the Taliban and talk to places where the girls had not been to school in years. And grown women were afraid to leave the house. Being a doktor and a woman was not tolerated. and not just in afghanistan. Please do not think I am stupid. Once again, I lived with you people.. Do not go there with me!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

The hell it is! Muslim women’s status better than women in the

The hell it is! Muslim women’s status better than women in the West!

BULLSHIT! I married one of you assholes before. fortunately I never converted!

Do not ever start that LIE in front of me.. shall we start with ritual circumcision of very young to young female children, so they will not experince any pleasure when becoming a vaginal repository for the life support system of a muslim prick! Ah then perhaps it is the lovely divorce laws! ( Thank the GODS!, I DIVORCED his ASS!) That son of a camel wanted alimony..from me..and his family's ass was rolling in gold dinars. would that be in the way some women get cheated of their Mazhr or marriage dowry? Ah I understand, would that be in the way some muslim men's eye roll back into their heads, they spin around like whirling dervishes, spewing green pea soup as in the exorcist, if you even remotely talk about higher education or even education period for girls. ( see the Taliban and several others) Would that be the way young western women seem to disappear throuhg the auspices of white slavery into the middle east, time and time again. Perhaps, that is the way muslim men in western countries in europe have been known to gang up and gang rape western females.. after all it is a western girl and not one of their own.

We will stop here before I feel the need to slap you!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Hmmm Would that be the Islam

Hmmm Would that be the Islam that!

Married one before, lived there, seen and heard it all before!

Would that be the dancing in the street everytime a new bombing takes place and a Shahid dies happily? Would that been when invading in armies and raping other muslim women? would that be when trolling through hotel lobby as grown armed men seeking out \european children? Would that be kidnapping reporters, who also report things from your viewpoint, then threatening to behead them? Would that be beheading civilian workers ? Would that be blowing up wedding of muslims , because you do not like the area they are in? Would that be brainwashing young women and men to make Shahada? Would that be issuing fatwas everytime a muslim cleric gets a hair up his bum? Would that be destroying priceless treasures of cultural heritage? Would that be the nonsensical ravings of lunatic, fanatical madmen and women frothing whitemouth like maddened dogs at the mouth while shouting "death to .....? (fill in the blanks) You mean that peaceful islam of course.. that is what I thought you meant!

odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Islamaphobia...Try Islam is not peaceful!

Islam is not peaceful, is intolerant and only likes those that agree with it!

1. Not a Christian, still do not believe you muslims!

2. Not a Jew, still do not believe you muslims!

3. Not an Atheist, still do not believe you muslims!

4. Not an Agnostic, still do not believe you muslims!

5. Married and divorced a muslim purveyor of manure, still do not believe you muslims!

6. Not a Nazi, still do not believe you muslims!

7. Am an Odinist! So will never believe you muslims!

Tackar dig! Mange Tak! Thank you!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

The Veil of a Nun vs the

The Veil of a Nun vs the Hijab!

" I would have used that of the late Mother Theresa, the Roman Catholic nun and founder of the Sisters of Charity. She was modestly dressed with her head covered with a headdress, a hijab if you will! "

Mother Theresa was a Roman Catholic nun and her veil taken in holy orders is only worn by nuns. Christian women do not run around wearing a hijab or religious headdress unless they belong to a religious order. But then those women, those nuns are "Brides of Christ". In other words, the wives of Jesus Christ, consecrated in holy matrimony unto him.

Are the women of Islam all married to Allah, NO! If so, then they could not marry mortal husbands, nor produce offspring, children for their mortal husbands.

Those nuns in habit and veil are married women, to Jesus Christ! I find it remarkable that you would equate the two
together.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

German ambassador

Dr. Hofmann, who accepted Islam in 1980, was born as a Catholic in Germany in 1931. He graduated from Union College in New York and completed his legal studies at Munich University where he received a doctorate in jurisprudence in 1957. He became a research assistant for the reform of federal civil procedure, and in 1960 received an LL.M. degree from Harvard Law School. He was Director of Information for NATO in Brussels from 1983 to 1987. He was posted as German ambassador to Algeria in 1987 and then to Morocco in 1990 where he served for four years. He performed umrah (Lesser Pilgrimage) in 1982 and Hajj (Pilgrimage) in 1992.

Makamnaya ( Nermin)

Makamnaya (nermin dear) no one cares about the converts! In your effort to try to show, that there are a lot of important converts, it still will not take you past 1.28 billion yet. Hmm did he meet a woman in Algeria and Morroco dear, and that is why he converted. Because that is why Ysuf Islam? ( Cat Stevens converted, He could not get her into bed otherwise! Must have ben some hot bed!) Or maybe he just got tired of being inundated and was worn down. The point being is we do not care if little green tree frogs become muslims. You are not growing fast enough or wildly enough to take over the world. Now hurry and go make some man, lunch some where! Imshi wench!

Odine be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

http://www.priestsofdarkness.com/nuns.html

to whom sais taht priests are punished.
no there not .they are set free without punishment while raped nuns are tranfered to another place.

Among the abuses detailed is the case of a nun being forced to have an abortion by the priest who impregnated her. She later died and he officiated at her requiem mass.

Also cited is the case of a mother superior who repeatedly complained to her local bishop that priests in the diocese had made 29 of her nuns pregnant

The bishop, according to the report, subsequently relieved her of her duties.

To Patriot, ArmyScout 43 & Balder!

Have you noticed how Makamnaya ( nermin) seems to drop back and forth between being functionally illiterate, to seemingly coherent in thought and speech. I could be wrong but I surmise there are at least 2 - 3 people dividing their timeresponding under him/her name. After all do we truly know she is female? Are we sure she is mentally competent? What do we know for certain about her other than the actual makamnaya cannot spell to save her own life? The possibilities are endless?

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Makamnaya ( Nermin) Re: Priest of Darkness!

I am dreadfully shocked, I thought you were a decent girl, Makamnaya. After all this to find out how terrible depraved, perverted and debauched you are! tsk! tsk! tsk! DECENT god fearing women would not troll such sites, so it is true.. you did convert to the high anglican church! Well I never, but you probably have before! Shame on You! We will pray that you regain your senses immediately. I only hope Patriot and the others do not see those pictures of your depraved activites. How could you!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Robert Bowman,why?

'Why the USA is hated' by Robert Bowman, bishop of the United Catholic Church in Melbourne Beach, FL.

(Robert Bowman flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is presently bishop of the United Catholic Church in Melbourne Beach, FL. Originally printed in The National Catholic Reporter, Oct. 2, 1998.)
'The truth is that none of our thousands of nuclear weapons can protect us from these threats. No Star Wars system no matter how technically advanced, no matter how many trillions of dollars are poured into it, can protect us from a nuclear weapon delivered in a sailboat or a Cessna or a suitcase or a Ryder rental truck. Not one weapon in our vast arsenal, not a penny of the $270 billion a year we spend on so-called defence can defend against a terrorist bomb. That is a military fact.'

'As a retired lieutenant colonel and a frequent lecturer on national security issues, I have often quoted Psalm 33: "A king is not saved by his mighty army. A warrior is not saved by his great strength." The obvious reaction is, "Then what can we do?" Is there nothing we can do to provide security for our people?'

'There is. But to understand it requires that we know the truth about the threat. President Clinton did not tell the American people the truth about why we are the targets of terrorism when he explained why we bombed Afghanistan and Sudan. He said that we are a target because we stand for democracy, freedom, and human rights in the world. Nonsense!'

'We are the target of terrorists because, in much of the world, our government stands for dictatorship, bondage, and human exploitation. We are the target of terrorists because we are hated. And we are hated because our government has done hateful things.'

'In how many countries have agents of our government deposed popularly elected leaders and replaced them with puppet military dictators who were willing to sell out their own people to American multinational corporations?'

'We did it in Iran when the US Marines and the CIA deposed Mossadegh because he wanted to nationalize the oil industry. We replaced him with the Shah and armed, trained, and paid his hated Savak National Guard, which enslaved and brutalized the people of Iran, all to protect the financial interests of our oil companies. Is it any wonder that there are people in Iran who hate us?'

'We did it in Chile. We did it in Vietnam. More recently, we tried to do it in Iraq. And, of course, how many times have we done it in Nicaragua and all the other banana republics of Latin America? Time after time we have ousted popular leaders who wanted the riches of the land to be shared by the people who worked it. We replaced them with murderous tyrants who would sell out their own people so the wealth of the land could be taken out by the likes of Domino Sugar, Folgers, and Chiquita Banana.'

'In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, stifled freedom, and trampled human rights. That's why it is hated around the world. And that's why we're the target of terrorists.'

'People in Canada enjoy democracy, freedom, and human rights. So do the people of Norway and Sweden. Have you heard of Canadian embassies being bombed? Or Norwegian, or Swedish?'

'We are not hated because we practice democracy, value freedom, or uphold human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism and in the future, nuclear terrorism.'

'Once the truth about why the threat exists is understood, the solution becomes obvious. We must change our ways. Getting rid of our nuclear weapons unilaterally if necessary will enhance our security. Drastically altering our foreign policy will ensure it. '

'Instead of sending our sons and daughters around the world to kill Arabs so we can have the oil under their sand, we should send them to rebuild their infrastructure, supply clean water, and feed starving children. Instead of continuing to kill hundreds of Iraqui children every day with our sanctions, we should help Iraquis rebuild their electric power plants, their water treatment facilities, their hospitals, and all the things we have destroyed and prevented them from rebuilding. '

'Instead of training terrorists and death squads, we should close the School of the Americas [Ft. Benning, GA.]. Instead of supporting insurrection, destabilization, assassination, and terror around the world, we should abolish the CIA and give money to relief agencies. '

'In short, we should do good instead of evil. Who would try to stop us? Who would hate us? Who would want to bomb us? That is the truth the American people need to hear.'

Re: Father Bowman!

Ohhhhh! Bowman is good because he preaches appeasement, and because he is still riddled with guilt for having flown all those combat missions during
Vietnam. If he showed up and converted, I bet you would pant like a dog in heat? Put your tongue back in girl! He is a priest! Catholic guilt is taught so early he cannot help himself. Down girl, once more stop salivating!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Prince Charles to plead Islam's cause to Bush

Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:48:35 +0000 (GMT)
> Subject: [mnn-list] Sunday Telegraph
>
>
> > By Andrew Alderson, Chief Reporter
> (Filed: 29/10/2005)
>
> The Prince of Wales will try to persuade George W
> Bush
> and Americans of the merits of Islam this week
> because
> he thinks the United States has been too intolerant
> of
> the religion since September 11.
>
> The Prince, who leaves on Tuesday for an eight-day
> tour of the US, has voiced private concerns over
> America's "confrontational" approach to Muslim
> countries and its failure to appreciate Islam's
> strengths.
>
>
> The Duchess of Cornwall will accompany her husband
>
> The Prince raised his concerns when he met senior
> Muslims in London in November 2001. The gathering
> took
> place just two months after the attacks on New York
> and Washington. "I find the language and rhetoric
> coming from America too confrontational," the Prince
> said, according to one leader at the meeting.
>
> It is understood that Prince Charles did not - and
> does not - believe that the actions of 19 hijackers
> should tarnish the reputation of hundreds of
> millions
> of law-abiding Muslims around the world.
>

Makamnaya ( Nermin's new positin)

Makamnaya ( Nermin) holds a Bristish passport, you have to! Or are you trying to obtain one by the proper amount of royal bum kissing? No matter,I think they can find room for you in the Anglican Church, but you will need to pick a new name.. might I suggest Jane, and good luck on that promotion as Lady Holder of the Paper to the Royal Privy.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

London mayor says PM is a "war criminal" whose place is in priso

London mayor says PM is a "war criminal" whose place is in prison
March 4, 2005

London mayor Ken Livingstone denounced Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as a war criminal, accused Israel of carrying out ethnic cleansing, and rejected accusations of anti-Semitism .
Sharon "is a war criminal who should be in prison, not in office," he wrote in the The Guardian, noting that even an Israeli commission had faulted the prime minister for a measure of responsibility in the massacre of Palestinian Arabs in refugee camps in Lebanon by Lebanese Christians in 1982.

The mayor also denounced Israeli settlements in the territories and the Israeli denial of Palestinians' "right to return."

"Sharon continues to organize terror," Livingstone said. "More than three times as many Palestinians as Israelis have been killed in the present conflict."

"Israel's own expansion has included ethnic cleansing," he added. "Ethnic cleansing, discrimination and terror are immoral."

Israel Honors Jewish Terrorists

Israel Honors Jewish Terrorists
Who Attacked US
4-2-5

In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.
Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by "anti-Semites". But as the public trial progressed, it was evident that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing. Eventually, Israeli's Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon was brought down by the scandal, although it appears that he was himself the victim of a frame-up by the real authors of the bombing project, code named "Operation Susannah."
It is therefore a fact that Israel has a prior history of setting off bombs with the intent to blame Arabs for them. - Reporters Notebook
Reuters
3-30-5
After half a century of reticence and recrimination, Israel on Wednesday honored nine Egyptian Jews recruited as agents-provocateur in what became one of the worst intelligence bungles in the country's history.
Israel was at war with Egypt when it hatched a plan in 1954 to ruin its rapprochement with the United States and Britain by firebombing sites frequented by foreigners in Cairo and Alexandria.
But Israel hoped the attacks, which caused no casualties, would be blamed on local insurgents collapsed when the young Zionist bombers were caught and confessed at public trials. Two were hanged. The rest served jail terms and emigrated to Israel.
Embarrassed before the West, the fledgling Jewish state long denied involvement. It kept mum even after its 1979 peace deal with Egypt, fearing memories of the debacle could sour ties.
"Although it is still a sensitive situation, we decided now to express our respect for these heroes," President Moshe Katzav said after presenting the three surviving members of the bomber ring with certificates of appreciation at a Jerusalem ceremony.
What went wrong in the "Lavon Affair" -- named after Pinhas Lavon, Israel's defense minister when the plot came to light -- remains a matter of debate in a country more used to tales of espionage coups. The Egyptian Jews were recruited by a fringe unit of Military Intelligence rather than the premier Israeli spy agency Mossad.
The situation recurred in 1985, when U.S. Navy analyst Jonathan Pollard was sentenced to life imprisonment in the United States for passing military secrets to Israel's scientific liaison office.
"As with Pollard, this (Lavon Affair) was a rogue operation," said David Kimche, a former Mossad deputy chief. "We knew never to go down that road again." There is a twist to the Egyptian case -- the now widespread belief that the bombers were betrayed to the authorities by their Israeli handler, who turned double-agent.
"The general feeling is that he was the one who caused it all," Kimche said. Under a veil of secrecy, the handler was tried for contacts with Egyptian intelligence and jailed for 10 years.
Meanwhile, the agents locked up in Egypt were ignored, excluded from several prisoner exchanges with Israel after the wars of 1956 and 1967. Now that they have been officially recognised in Israel, the former agents are campaigning for a full account of their operation to be included in the high-school syllabus.
"This is a great day for all of us, those who were hanged and those who died," said Marcelle Ninio, the only female member of the cell. "We are happy we've got our honour back."
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The Story Of Yaakov Markus
Quoted from Maxim Ghilan 'How Israel Lost Its Soul' - Penguin Books (1974) p179:
'Yaakov Markus was born in Berlin on 22 November 1927 to a non-Jewish mother named Mathilde Markus and to a Jewish father. He came to Israel and in the fifties was drafted to serve in the 1956 Sinai campaign. He was killed there and buried provisionally at the Shelah Military Cemetery. Later this cemetery was abolished and the dead were transferred to other permanent graves. Yaakov Markus's bones were to be interred - as Jewish custom stipulates for Gentile dead - 'beyond the pale', that is, behind a small stone fence cordoning off a piece of the Haifa cemetery.
'In this plot were buried other non-Jewish fighters, pilots and technicians who lost their lives helping Israel win her independence in 1948 and preserving it in the years that followed. Markus's parents did not accept the Rabbinate's ruling. They wanted their son to be granted the same honor as the rest of his fallen friends - burial in the Military Cemetery. General Goren, the Chief Rabbi of the Israeli Army - a visionary racist who wanted the conquest of both banks of the Jordan, advocated a religious state and tried to modernize religion for that purpose - was not in the country. The bereaved parents appealed directly to the Prime Minister, David Ben Gurion, who had to make a special ruling for them. Markus was finally buried in the same row as his fallen friends. But so that 'his bones should not be mingled with theirs', as Meshulam Schlesinger, Director of the Military Cemetery, put it, his grave was set somewhat apart.
'Meshulam Schlesinger officially stated that the corpse of Yaakov Markus had been circumcised after his death, to allow it to lie beside the Jewish fighters. This was later denied no less officially by the Ministry of Defense. But the grisly and macabre atmosphere surrounding the case has done much to deepen public concern.'

Monotheism a Big Lie

The Hell with Semitic Religions-Judaism-Christianity & Islam. Islam is a religion born out of inferiority complex and ambition of Mohammed. He initially used to admire Christians as people of the Book. The pages of these books cannot even be used as toilet paper.

Jyllands-Posten,rejected Jesus cartoons in 2003

Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons

Gwladys Fouch on Monday February 6, 2006

Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.

The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.
In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.

Zieler received an email back from the paper's Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said: "I don't think Jyllands-Posten's readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them.".
how every opinion about double standard?
who is the hypocritic now?

To Vermin

Jyllands Posten has printed cartoons of Jesus before what are your point ?. Do you really think that most papers would print unsolicited cartoons ??? There can be 1000's of reasons not to print Christoffer Zieler unsolicited cartoons. It could be lack of qualit.No reason to print the cartoons.

In the case of the excelent pictures of the Warlord Muhammed there were specific reasons to print these cartoons. Danish artist was afread of making pictures of Muhammed. In the shitty country of UK, art exibitions has items removed to please the Muslims. Jyllands Posten had a good case: Show the islamofacist that free speech exist in Denmark. We will not surrender like the apeasing loussy Brits.

JODI WILGOREN

this article was written by someone,not me,maybe an american muslim convert

Dear ISLAMOPHOBES: if Islam was bad why then all these western whites convert to Islam every year ???

A NATION CHALLENGED: AMERICAN MUSLIMS; Islam Attracts Converts By the Thousands, Drawn Before and After Attacks
By JODI WILGOREN
Source: The New York Times : October 22, 2001, Monday .

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/22/national/22CONV.html

Nermin, are you

Nermin, are you proselytizing again! Because they are. And not as many of them are going into orthodox Islam as you think. The 5 Percenters are on the rise though. But trust me, they do not like your brand of Islam either. NOW that is radical Islam, but they would want you gone too..Because as far as they are concerned "you are just another lying white person." You need to read up on the Nation of Islam, and Louis Farrahkan. *wiping tears away* These days the government and people are counting ALL kinds of muslims. Granted many are heading mainstream in that they associate with other muslims.. But the 5 Percenters, make Louis Farrahkan and Wallace Deen Muhammed look mild and tame.
And in New York I would not arrive at Masjid No. 33 if I were you, and you were very light skinned! Oh and definitely do not take the attitude with you or you might have to get up off the floor! Have a beautiful day!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Cat and Charles

cat Stevens (yusuf islam now)..ok.the man is a friend of prince charles

It's not fair to judge a man by his friends. That's what Senator McCarthy did. Guilt by association.

Thanks for reminding me what CS is now called.

Bob Doney

Bob,no it is not right to

Bob,no it is not right to judge a man by his associates. And I never agree with the things Senator Joseph McCarthy did in his self-righteous witch hunt. Senator McCarthy had very litle evidence, he forced confessions.

But you had better believe if they put Dr. Alamoudi, one very smooth talker in jail and his was always lending assistance while heading to visit him, you can bet somewhere there is iron clad evidence; nor will "Homeland Security" pull you off of a plane for no reason.

George Blake who received a 42 year sentence for spying for the Soviets in
1961. Guy Burgess and Donald MacLean who fled to the paymaster in Moscow, they all had friends in high places. Having a friend in a high place does not make one safe. What about Kim Philby, very well placed in certain circles. They all had friends in the
know, men about town. Captains of industry and government. They went to all the right schools: Eton, Darmouth Royal Navy College, Trinity, Cambridge. Donald Duart MacLean was the son of a Liberal MP. "Kim Philby" Harold Adrian Russell Philby, son of a distinguished Forign Office diplomat; he was MacLean's and Burgess's "Third Man" as it were. Guy Burgess went to Darmouth Royal Naval College. What about Anthony Blunt, the son of a clergyman attended Marlborough School and then went on to Cambridge. Later he went as a personal assistant to Guy Liddell, Deputy Director-General of MI5. In 1944 Blunt was responsible for liaison between MI5 and Allied Supreme Headquarters concerning the invasion of Europe.

At the end of the war he was sent to Germany on a secret mission for the Royal family.

He was MacLeans and Burgess's,and Kim Philby's "Fourth Man" as it were. having high friends does not make one a good 'un. Nor does it mean one is not a bad 'un, either. That man from the FBI or the chap who worked for CIA and was stealing secrets and selling secret to the Soviets. No, having high friends will not keep people from looking at you forever. And when they do seriously start to look at one.. amazing how all the high friends ...disappear.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

stevens again

what is all that.have u got a master degree on cat Stevens (yususf islam now)..ok.the man is a friend of prince charles and before u say anything just search the net for that and se yourself. is charels is a terrorist too? / Charles is greatly support yusuf islam

RE: Cat Stevens to Nermin

Cat Stevens is also a friend of Jamal or Jemal Al Amin aka H. Rap Brown currently serving a life sentence in Atlanta for murder, he shot two a Fulton County Deputy Sheriffs. One of his other friends Dr. Abdurahman Alamooudi, formerly the head of American Muslim Council is serving time in a federal prison for money laudering and a few other little things related to terrorist organizations. I did not call Charles a terrorist. Some people just have bad taste in friends. Maybe Charles should rethink his associations. The point being Cat Stevens, has obviously has not crossed all his T's or gotten all his ducks in order for the people at Homeland Security. And if you note I never said anything untoward about Jemima Goldsmith..You do not need a masters degree to raise an eyebrow at rather shady associations. So Cat Stevens is Charles shady friend. Everyone, has at least one shady character that they know. i.e. Adolf Hitler and Haj Amin Al Husseini the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, were fast friends. Now, those two were thick as thieves.

Odin be Praised Baldur Save Us!

to mr Bob(2)

when it i s said islam is fastest growing religion in the world. an dwhen it is said british embraces islam..do you expect to find alist of names?.
aslo if they listed you will say that you donot know anyone of them.do youknow all of british elite by names..aslo what about those who are professors or doctors..
i know a professor in cambriage univeristy who converted .
i can provide u by hisname too ..also doctors i hav eheard about them last month...
also when we concentrate on famous we unfair ordinary people which is unlogic especially in islam.
also when we say islam is fastest this is a fact .why they donot mention other faiths if it was influential..
by th eway all these statistics is made by nonmuslims.
see this link for more general information .looking forwards hearingfrom u

http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/june02_index.php?l=6

to mr Bob(2)

when it i s said islam is fastest growing religion in the world. an dwhen it is said british embraces islam..do you expect to find alist of names?.
aslo if they listed you will say that you donot know anyone of them.do youknow all of british elite by names..aslo what about those who are professors or doctors..
i know a professor in cambriage univeristy who converted .
i can provide u by hisname too ..also doctors i hav eheard about them last month...
also when we say islam is fastest this is a fact .why they donot mention other faiths if it was influential..
by th eway all these statistics is made by nonmuslims.
see this link for more general information .

http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/june02_index.php?l=6

Lists of names

when it is said british embraces islam..do you expect to find a list of names?

No, not really. I don't really care, except in a general interest sort of way, how many people have converted to Islam in the UK. Also I wouldn't expect you to be impressed at how many professors at Oxford and Cambridge universities are atheists.

I would care, though, if any professors were unable to continue their academic work because of bullying, intimidation or threats.

Bob Doney

to mr Bob(2)

when it i s said islam is fastest growing religion in the world. an dwhen it is said british embraces islam..do you expect to find alist of names?.
aslo if they listed you will say that you donot know anyone of them.do youknow all of british elite by names..aslo what about those who are professors or doctors..
i know a professor in cambriage univeristy who converted .
i can provide u by hisname too ..also doctors i hav eheard about them last month...
also when we say islam is fastest this is a fact .why they donot mention other faiths if it was influential..
by th eway all these statistics is made by nonmuslims.
see this link for more general information .

http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/june02_index.php?l=6

There are Great thoughts and

There are Great thoughts and order of life before christianity and Islam, in east. When the great structures of Bhudha destroyed by fundamentalist Islamic group of Afganistan, Where were this people, nobody condemed. The messages of Bhudha was much greater than any so called religion, 'Ahimsa' anybody knows the meaning? find out!
The great realization of the existece will be possible only if a person dump his ego of this world and become a part of the universe! The so called religious people's universe is so narrow. U can't have even a glimpse of the great truth of self realization....poor guys! be in the Hell of darkness! If u r so attached to the worldly life certainly u r in hell! This world is so tiny, less than a proton!, comparing the whole universe! so be there and fight each other!, and destroy the beautiful and the only planet where there is life(as per the present knowledge of humans) U are doing a Great JOb!!!!
The wise men will reach the peak, peacefully and silently! and the mass, ofcourse 'll follow him, the master of the age, with respect, ignoring the masters of the past whose universe and the world was so narrow!
MY dears, be humans, love each other, protect other beings, dont be killers, we all are from the same source of the Supreme! There are many many civilizations, Islam is not the only civilization and the last. If you say so you are in darkness. Pls. dont impose your darkness to the other very very bright cultures.

A truly peace loving person of the world and the universe.

to nermin

basicly what your religion has done is: 1.)proven Mr. Rushdie correct
2.) galvanized the west against you. (keep up the good work, you're on a roll.)

We do not have to respect Islam or moslems

We do not have to respect Islam or any other religion. We do not have to respect moslems or in fact any people with any other religious beliefs. However, we should and we must respect all people's right to have their beliefs. Tolera

Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential person

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."
Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33.