Turkey Denies Demanding Danish Apologies. Finns Fire Editor

From the desk of Paul Belien on Sat, 2006-02-25 10:03

According to the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet the Turkish government has not demanded an apology from the Danish government for the twelve Muhammad drawings which were published in a Danish paper last September.

The Turkish ambassador to Copenhagen was one of the eleven ambassadors from Islamic countries who demanded to see the Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen last October to ask the latter to condemn the Muhammad cartoons and guarantee that similar drawings would no longer be published in Denmark. Mr Rasmussen refused to meet the ambassadors about this topic because Denmark has freedom of the press.

Yesterday the Danish press reported that Namik Tan, the spokesman of the Turkish Foreign Ministry, demanded an apology from Denmark, making it quite clear that Turkey would not mediate in the cartoon crisis if Copenhagen did not apologize first. In the Hurriyet article, however, Mr Tan denies ever saying this to the Danish press. He stresses that everyone should already know Turkey would not demand an apology. The article also quotes Mr Rasmussen as saying there is no Turkish government demand for apologies from his government.

Neither Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish Prime Minister, or Abdullah Gül, the Foreign Minister, have been quoted as personally demanding any sort of apology. Mr Rasmussen confirmed in the Danish media that there is no Turkish demand for apologies. Per Stig Møller, The Danish minister of Foreign Affairs, will discuss the cartoon affair with Mr Gül at an EU meeting next month. “Turkey will, as an applicant country, be present at the informal meeting of Foreign Ministers on March 11 and 12. In connection with that I have proposed to the Turkish Foreign Minister that he raise the matter there.” Mr Møller said.

Meanwhile in Finland the editor of the cultural magazine Kaltio was fired yesterday after publishing a cartoon of a masked prophet Muhammad (see it here). The cartoon was drawn by Ville Ranta, a young Finnish cartoonist, whose aim was to lampoon the Finnish president, prime minister and foreign minister for their cowardice during the cartoon crisis. The prophet was masked, because, as the cartoonist said, “I do not wish to incriminate myself by drawing Mohammed’s face.”

Apparently the reason for sacking the editor, Mr Jussi Vilkuna, was that some of Finland’s large financial institutions withdrew their advertisements from Kaltio. Olavi Nieminen, the chief lawyer of Pohjola, a non-life insurance firm owned by OKO Bank, said the posting of the cartoon were irresponsible and a wrong way to defend free speech.

Finland has had a tradition of neutrality since the 1940s and apparently wishes to continue this tradition of “Finlandization.” The Finns’ neutrality was not voluntary, but was the consequence of the appeasement by a small country towards an aggressive, dangerous neighbour (the Soviet Union).

In Switzerland Paul Polman, the financial director of Nestlé, told the Dutch newspaper NRC-Handelsblad yesterday that Nestlé regrets running an ad earlier this month in a Saudi newspaper in which the company stressed that it is Swiss and not Danish. “We are very sorry about this,” Mr Polman said. “This should not have happened.” The ad was published earlier this month on the front page of Asharqal-Awsat. In the ad Nestlé said it does not use milk powder from Denmark.

“The decision to run the ad had been taken by our local management. They had done so without consulting us,” Mr Polman, a Dutch national, said. The local management wanted to contradict reports in the Saudi press that Nestlé was a Danish company. “It is our right to inform consumers, but it was not a good idea to do it this way. In similar cases in future we will do nothing, or will do something entirely different – something positive.”

Different Pope this time around

Submitted by truth serum on Tue, 2006-02-28 14:50.

Ereshkigal and Onenoson

 

I think you find a very different pope in the Vatican this time around.  He is not going to pull any punches, and in fact will expose all the Muslim persecutions happening around the world against Christians.  He will a lot of Muslim help I might add, for they cannot seem to contain themselves form doing things like chopping little girls heads off in Indonesia.

 

"If we tell our people they have no right to offend, we have to tell the others they have no right to destroy us," Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's Secretary of State (prime minister), told journalists in Rome.

"We must always stress our demand for reciprocity in political contacts with authorities in Islamic countries and, even more, in cultural contacts," Foreign Minister Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo told the daily Corriere della Sera

 

You see...Islam is being exposed more and more on how intolerant and unpeaceful it really is.  Are you committing your own tiny jihad here by using the bait and switch method with us dirty infidels?   By trying to lure people away from the ugliness of Islam and replacing it with lies, conspiracy theories, and insults is proof enough for me that you are desperate to justify your religion not only to us but to yourselves.

 

But hell...you want to play....take this bait.

 

9:5 Then, when the Christmas days have passed, slay the believers wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Jesus is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Jesus nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which God hath forbidden by His son, and follow not the Religion of Death, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

Conspiracy Theorists

Submitted by truth serum on Tue, 2006-02-28 02:20.

Onenoson and darko12345

 

You two certainly have your bases covered by coming out with who did it before it's even done.

 

Conspiracy theorists...

 

"Conspiratorial accounts can be emotionally satisfying when they place events in a readily-understandable, moral context. The subscriber to the theory is able to assign moral responsibility for an emotionally troubling event or situation to a clearly-conceived group of individuals. Crucially, that group does not include the believer. The believer may then feel excused any moral or political responsibility for remedying whatever institutional or societal flaw might be the actual source of the dissonance. Alternatively, believers may find themselves committed to a type of activism, to expose the alleged conspirators; see, for example, the 9/11 Truth Movement.

 

Where responsible behavior is prevented by social conditions, or is simply beyond the ability of an individual, the conspiracy theory facilitates the emotional discharge or closure which such emotional challenges (after Erving Goffman) require. Like moral panics, conspiracy theories thus occur more frequently within communities which are experiencing social isolation or political disempowerment."

Wikipedia

 

Do yourself a favor and go see a therapist to help you though this difficult time in your life.

Islam: Don't Insult the Profit

Submitted by Gordonz on Mon, 2006-02-27 07:53.

Bush's "valuable allies in the war on terrorism" are islamic countries that give his texas oil buddies and haliburton good contracts.

 

The "Islamic terrorists" are just the arabs shut out of the oil deals. 

That's Islams true Profit.

US people should send their "government" to a Saudi prison

Submitted by Gordonz on Mon, 2006-02-27 05:03.

When we get away from this corporate world leadership that is selling our freedom away for barrels of oil... Bush and Cheney should be locked in a cage, drenched in oil, paraded down the streets of New York and put on display... the new Zoo at the WTC site. That would be a memorial.

Let's All Read The Quran

Submitted by Gordonz on Mon, 2006-02-27 04:40.

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers, and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God has assigned to thee ... For the believers (at large), We know that We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess ..."

So you can take as your "concubine" the wife of any "prisoner" that has been taken in battle. Good thing muslims are such shit cowards that they haven't won a war against anybody since the Ottoman empire over 200 years ago. Hail the downfall of the Caliphate!

The Jews call Uzair [Ezra] a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God ... God's curse be on them; how they are deluded away from the truth! They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary. Yet they are commanded to worship but One God ..."
Okay. So they think if you are Christian or Jewish, you must be deluded and yield to their "command."

"The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land.
So we had better watch out for that "cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides..."

WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS?

Mohammed was a raving lunatic, rapist, murdering thief.

Islam is a death worshipping, mindless cult of hate.

To make things worse.

Submitted by Balder on Mon, 2006-02-27 02:18.

Bush wants to sell some of the major ports to a Islamofacist country that supplied the Al Queda pigs with suicide pilots against the World Trade Center.

We never see things like that.

Submitted by Balder on Mon, 2006-02-27 02:13.

The problem is that the western press don't show the ongoing cruelty, against the native population in Kosovo the Serbs. I'm not Serbian but I get seriously pissed when I see the total failure of the NATO occupation. If stories like this one was shown in the press most people would feel sick about the fact that KFOR participates in the etnic cleansing of Kosovo. I have heard nasty stories about the Muslims from friends that was part of the NATO forces in then former Yugoslavia. There was some media coverage in Danish press about the Muslim terrorists in Bosnia. But wery little coverage about the etnic cleansing of Serbs in Kosovo, the more than 60.000 persons that couldn't return to Kosovo because KFOR wouldn't protect them.

The NATO intervention in Kosovo is a humanitarian failure.

Submitted by Balder on Mon, 2006-02-27 01:46.

I always wondered why nobody in the West protested against the burnings of Christian Churches in Kosovo. Why we could hear statements in the press that KFOR couldn't protect the Kosovo Serbian's in their own country. Why the Serbs was disarmed while the Albanians (KLA) could keep their weapons. But it's pretty obvious that "blow job" Clinton is on the Muslim side, specially after his remarks about our Muhammed cartoons. I guess US at that time wanted good relationship with the same kind of people that destroyed World Trade centre and killed 3000 innocent Americans.

It happens all over place in

Submitted by Balder on Mon, 2006-02-27 00:48.

It happens all over place in former Yugoslavia, in Kosovo Christian Churches are torched by the Muslims, while NATO fails to protect the Serbs. More than 60.000 Serbs has been thrown out of their homes, while NATO failed (or choose not) to gurantee their protection.

To: darko12345

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Sun, 2006-02-26 23:46.

It's common knowledge here in Denmark. Some danish muslims have been put in prison there.

Pls keep them - they are violent, and are not on hollidays there ...

What is to be done?

Submitted by Seattle Man on Sat, 2006-02-25 21:04.

Mr. Bellen,

I am one of those people who have just (in the past few months, let's say) become aware of the impending struggle between, the civilized and secular West (though I realize that you believe that secularity is exactly the problem) and pre-reformation Islam.

And yet so far I have not read very much anywhere which suggests a positive program and I am curious about yours. Is it simply that we should keep to our freedom-respecting ways and ignore the demands from Islam to conform to its standards? Or do you have something else in mind? Your own program, perhaps, is for everyone to become religious and primitive dogmatics, like our enemies? Just joking (sorta) but one of your recent posts did point in that direction...the post in which you blamed everything on the secular.

So how do you answer the "What is to be done?" question? What is your program?

Sincerely & thanks.