The Betrayal of Denmark (and of Us All)

From the desk of Paul Belien on Sun, 2006-02-12 21:14

A local newspaper in Jutland (ever heard of Jutland before?), a rural area of Denmark (one of Europe’s smallest nations, with a language spoken by barely 5 million people) published twelve drawings. Some were simple portraits of a man with Arab features, some poked fun at the newspaper itself, and barely a handful were caricatures of Muhammad, the prophet of the Muslims – hardly offensive by Western standards.

It is true that the Western press has been grossly offensive to religious people in the past, mocking their beliefs and morals, hurting their feelings, insulting them. From the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times, the dominant media have never been squeamish about giving offense.

Anyone who sees the twelve Danish pictures [see them here, halfway down the page] wonders what all the fuss is about. However, most people do not get to see them as they have been censored in the major information sources, from the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times. The drawings were so inoffensive that when they were originally published last September there was no outcry, not even in Egypt where they were republished in October. Only when fanatical imams travelled from Denmark to Arabia, with suitcases containing three grossly offensive bogus cartoons which they had added to the original twelve – and only when these imams told people that these were the offensive Danish cartoons, so offensive that no-one was allowed to see them – only then Islamic mobs went on a rampage. Four months after the original drawings had been published in Jutland.

Guess who immediately appeared on the scene, adding fuel to the fire by explicitly confirming that the three bogus cartoons were the original ones? The BBC! And guess who is still refusing to show the world the twelve, hardly offensive original drawings? The BBC! Meanwhile courageous local journalists and publishers who had reprinted the cartoons to show that they were hardly offensive are lingering in jail in countries such as Jordania and Yemen.

This weekend the cartoons returned from Arabia to Europe. Muslim immigrants staged protests in various European towns, from Berlin to London, to Brussels, Amsterdam and Paris [where two brave men “trod on 1.5 billion Muslims”], protesting against cartoons which over four months ago they had failed to notice. Last Saturday five hundred Muslims gathered on Antwerp’s main square, in the shadow of the Cathedral of Our Lady and below the statue of Peter Paul Rubens, to turn to Mecca and pray. It was a peaceful gathering that had been called by the imams. After the meeting angry “youths” left the prayer meeting to terrorize the city with shouts of “Allah is great!” The imams said that the youths’ behaviour was not their responsibility, as they had called for “respect.”

We do not recall any prayer meetings called by the imams on Antwerp’s main square after 9/11, after the Madrid bombings, after the London bombings. However, the Antwerp imams felt compelled to pray in public on Antwerp’s central square because... more than four months ago a paper in Jutland had published twelve drawings. What is the point of all this? None other, surely, than to show the citizens of Antwerp that they are the boss now in Europe, while we are the intimidated natives, the dhimmis, the slaves.

Last Friday Jyllands-Posten [The Jutland Post], the paper that published the original drawings, ran a remarkable article “Man pisser på os” by Per Nyholm, one of its journalists. Here it is, translated for you into English by one of our Danish readers. This is how the Danes feel today:

We are being pissed upon

I think it was the long departed H.C. Hansen, one of the great Danish statesmen of the last century, who – as the communists were demonstrating in front of Christiansborg [the Danish Parliament] – cast his gaze across the palace square and remarked: “I will not be pissed upon.”

Then he did what was necessary.

I feel that currently my beloved country is being pissed upon rather too much. Denmark has not been neglecting its duties on the international stage. We have supported poor people with acts and advice, we have worked for peace, we have sent soldiers, policemen and experts to all the far flung corners of the world. We have democracy, a rule of law and a welfare state. Not all is perfect, but we harbor no malice towards our fellow men.

And yet Denmark is being pissed upon. The spokesman of the US State Department is pissing on Denmark, the British Secretary of Foreign Affairs is pissing on Denmark, the President of Afghanistan is pissing on Denmark, the Government of Iraq is pissing on Denmark, other Muslim regimes are pissing on Denmark. In Gaza, where Danes for years have provided humanitarian aid, crazed Imams encourage people to cut off the hands and heads of the cartoonists who made the drawings of Mohammed for the Jyllands-Posten newspaper.

Excuse my choice of words, but all this pissing is pissing me off.

What is going on? I am not referring so much to the threats against Danish citizens and Danish commerce. Nor to the burnt down Embassies. I am thinking of a word that keeps popping up whenever the Mohammed cartoons are mentioned.

That word is BUT. A sneaky word. It is used to deny or qualify what one has just said.

How many times lately have we not heard people of power, the Opinion Makers and others say that of course we have freedom of speech, BUT.

They have said it, all of them, from Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary General, to our own Bendt Bendtsen [a Danish Politician]. Once we had to be sensitive to the easily hurt feelings of the Nazis, then came the Communists, now it is the Islamists. The reason I say ‘Islamists’ is that I do not for a moment believe all the world’s Muslims are pissing on us. I think we are dealing with thugs, fools and misled people. Those are the ones we have to deal with, and then the chickenshit politicians.

The cartoons are no longer something Jyllands-Posten can control. They have already been manipulated and misrepresented to the point that few know what is going on and fewer know how to stop it. This affair is artifically being kept buoyant in a sea of lies, suppressions of the truth, misconceptions, lunacy and hypocrisy, for which this newspaper bears no blame. The only thing Jyllands-Posten did was provide a pin-prick which has made a boil of nastiness erupt. This would have happened sooner or later. That it happened more than four months after the publication of the cartoons, raises a question of its own. Are we dealing with random events or with a staged clash of civilizations? One might hope for the former yet be prepared to expect the latter.

That is why I say: Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech. There is no but.

Initially I was doubtful of the timeliness of publishing the cartoons. Later events have convinced me that it was both just and useful to do so. That they are consistent with Danish law and Danish custom seem to me less important than this: that we now know that remote, primitive countries deem themselves justified in telling us what to do. Unfortunately we must also note that governments close to us are agreeing with them in the name of expedience.

It was right and just for this newspaper to launch an offensive for Freedom of Speech, and useful, as we have now acquired new knowledge. Welcome to a brave new world where even our Prime Minister – in spite of his laudable firmness – must gaze out upon a scorched political landscape. True, his friend in Washington, George Bush, has uttered the customary condemnation of the torching of our embassies, but his State Department alludes to us as being the guilty ones in this case. The suggestion that Danish troops might contribute to democratization is buried under the charred remains of our diplomatic representations in Beirut and Damascus.

Perhaps it is time we started mopping up this mess. Perhaps Editor-in-Chief Carsten Juste ought to remove his apology which has gone stale sitting so long on the front page of our internet edition and which does not seem to interest the madmen. Perhaps our government ought to announce to Mona Omar Attia, the strange Ambassador of Egypt, that she is persona non grata.

Perhaps the ambassadors that have been called home to fictitious consultations in the Middle East should be told that they may spare themselves the cost of the return ticket.

In so far as possible The Lying Imams probably ought to be expelled. And then we ought to make an effort to support those Muslims who in a difficult situation have proven themselves to be true Citizens.

We, for our part, have no wish to be a burden to the Arab governments. We will happily withdraw our soldiers, policemen and diplomats. If they think our money smells, we will retract our aid. Our trade must make do as well as it can. We promise to not bear a grudge and, in time, we will be glad to return, but we are through with the hypocrisy. We have better things to do than being pissed upon at our own expense.

Cut down our activities in the Middle East. The world holds plenty of other opportunities.

 

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The Danes are pissed-off, and so are we. “Freedom of Expression is Western Terrorism” proclaimed a banner that Muslim fanatics were carrying in one of their protest demonstrations this weekend. The behaviour of the dominant media last week, from the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times, indicates that there may be some truth in this. They only defend freedom of speech when they can abuse free speech to piss on us, Westerners, on our religion, on our traditions, on our values. When it is time to defend freedom of speech against those that want to enslave us they are not to be heard.

Not to be heard, either, were the Western governments that went to war to liberate Iraq from the tyrant Saddam. Is it easier to send American and British soldiers to their deaths to liberate Iraq than to speak a few simple words in defense of freedom at home? Is this the kind of “solidarity” Washington and London exhibit towards their Danish ally, whose soldiers are also dying in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Last Friday Srdja Trifkovic, the foreign editor of the American paleo-conservative magazine Chronicles, wrote:

Denmark’s government, her media and the public at large, continue to defy the prevalent spirit of Western decrepitude by refusing to eat humble pie over some half-dozen mildly satirical cartoons of Muhammad, the inventor of Islam. Every American by now has heard about those cartoons, but very few have actually seen, thanks to our mainstream media’s strange view of what actually constitutes “all the news fit to print.” […] It looks like there will be no apology coming from Copenhagen, however, no matter how many Danish consulates burn in Dar al Islam, or how resolutely Iranians and others pursue their announced boycott of Danish products […] The U.S. State Department, by contrast, has effectively sided with Jihad by condemning the newspapers in Denmark, Norway, and elsewhere in Europe that have published those cartoons. […] We are witnessing the ongoing delusion at Foggy Bottom about the effect U.S. appeasement will have on the Muslim world. If the State Department believes that it will earn some brownie points for America in the streets of Cairo or Peshawar by betraying the Danes, it is merely repeating Clinton’s Balkan folly of the 1990s and Brzezinski’s Afghan blowback a decade earlier; and “not to learn from history is to be a child for ever” (Cicero).

For once the State Department finds itself in alliance with that other paleo, Pat Buchanan, whose February 8 article “Secularist stupidity and religious wars” led one of my European friends, an admirer of Mr Buchanan, to write to me: “I thought I was a paleo-conservative, but with a leading figure like Buchanan I am beginning to doubt this. There are very good arguments for non-interventionism. But he should be consistent and condemn the Arab intervention in the West, too.”

“What was the purpose of this juvenile idiocy?” Mr Buchanan asks about those who reprinted the Muhammad drawings:

Is this what freedom of the press is all about – the freedom to insult the faith of a billion people and start a religious war? […] Did Europeans learn nothing from the Salman Rushdie episode? Or the firestorm that gripped the Islamic world when Christian ministers in the United States called Muhammad a “terrorist”?

Really? What lessons were we supposed to learn from the Salman Rushdie episode?

Mr Buchanan continues with some observations which we share, such as the hypocrisy of the West:

We have ‘speech codes’ in colleges and ”hate crimes” laws to protect minorities from abusive remarks. But newspapers that hail these codes throw a blanket of “artistic freedom” over scatological art that degrades religious symbols – from putting a figure of Christ in a jar of urine to a “painting” of the Virgin Mary surrounded by female genitalia and elephant dung that hung in a Brooklyn museum. What has happened in Europe is that the secular press, which loves to mock the beliefs and symbols of religious faith, has now insulted a deadly serious religion that answers insults with action.

We have a question for Mr Buchanan: Does the fact that the dominant media from the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times – those cowards that refuse to republish the twelve original drawings – have offended our religion, our traditions, our values in the past, mean that we now have to submit to a “deadly serious religion that answers insults with” (and here Mr Buchanan employs a euphemism – something which he very rarely does) “action?”

Then the position adopted this week by The Weekly Standard is more courageous. It has republished the cartoons because, as Bill Kristol says in an editor’s note:

In light of recent instances of capitulation to the threats of radical Islamists, and in response to eloquent pleas by individuals like Walid-al-Kubaisi in Norway to publish the cartoons in order to protect freedom of expression, we wanted to do our small part to stand against intimidation by extremists.

In an article about the cartoon affair he writes:

The response of Western leaders hasn’t been particularly encouraging – with the notable exception of Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen of Denmark. Robert Frost said of liberals that they’re incapable of taking their own side in a fight.

This is not only true of Western leaders, but even more so of its dominant media, from the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times...

Re: a good muslimah

Submitted by Fred Alabama USA on Wed, 2006-06-21 19:04.

Quote:
"a person who published the images of Prophet Muhammed (s.a.w) should be dead..... Islam is about peace not killing!"

This is a joke, right?
Dave(Aisha), is that you?
This is either a joke or by someone who is very irony impaired.

ISLAM IS A TRUE RELIGION!

Submitted by good muslimah on Wed, 2006-06-21 15:03.

a person who published the images of Prophet Muhammed (s.a.w) should be dead..he make it sound the muslims are all bad, that all terriorists are mainly from muslim...in fact they not a muslim if they go round killing people cos Allah (swt) does not like that..and does not believe in suicide bombing either..i totally pity them! May they be punished in hell..for bad naming Islam! Islam is about peace not killing!

Ignorancy, greed and fear of terror is the answer.

Submitted by Balder on Sun, 2006-02-19 16:13.

Very few persons in my country accept Islam and the Sharia law. The remaining idiots can be divided into 3 groups:

1) The ones that think Islam/Bin Landen represent a peace full "religion" that can work within the boundaries of democracy and free speech. These idiots are usually recruited among the left wing collaborators that tried to please Soviet Union during the cold war.

2) Greedy companies and their followers like the Swedish/Danish Arla that has no objections to trade with evil islamofacist countries, while they sacrifice democratic countries like Israel.

3) Countries like UK, where the fear of terror forced the society into submission to Islam. The same kind of apeacement that led the way for the Nazis in the 30'es.

Fortunatly more and more person are so tired of getting pissed on
by the islamofacist. Holland was the first country to take a stand, now it Denmarks turn to show that free speech is something that matters, something we will defend.

Just a comment to Balder

Submitted by Poul Nielsen on Sun, 2006-02-19 16:46.

Democratic rigths is one thing - religion don't have anything to do with democracy.

Muslim's are showing this - by their violent demonstrations, around the world. I we look at the past european history, the foundation of modern democracy.

Nations in europe, went to war - because of religion's. Thanks to the European Union, there have been peace in the western part of Europe for several years.

When it concerns relious matters, it can an excuse for war, violence intollerence etc. Here in Europe - we can take a look at the situation in Eire / Ulster.

Why shall people who aren't religous be forced to understand Islam. People who aren't religous have their democratic rights - not to be religous.

As you Balder, I can't have any regrets over the Cartoon's - since the dravings, are getting the Imams from the Islam world to show their truth nature and ugly face.

They demand tollerance and understanding from the democratic countries in the west - but don't show it. They prefer to support violent agenda's such as supporting killing of artist's, innocent people (9/11).

Fortunately the danes - are behind their goverment, and don't accept to be terrorized the muslims. The Imams here in Denmark have shown their truth nature - now we know what they stands for. They are just some mad dogs - who don't accept democracy, by any standards.

Danish flag

Submitted by Chris Gillibrand on Wed, 2006-02-15 23:54.

It turns out that it is the oldest continuously used national flag in the world the oldest national flag. The flag was adopted in 1625; legend has it that the Danish flag fell from the skies on June 15, 1219, the day in which King Waldemar II defeated the Estonians in battle. Historians, though, think the Danish flag was derived from old crusader banners of the time.  The flag is often called the Dannebrog which means 'Danish cloth'. The Danish flag has unusual proportions (ratio) and is almost square in shape.

And as a Mr Oliver pointed out in the Daily Telegraph:

"Sir - Muslim protesters have set fire to the Danish flag, which is the cross: the key symbol of the Christian faith.

Desecrating this is as blasphemous as the Danish cartoons to which they take such exception. Do they realise and do they care, or is this another example of our multiculturalism that works only in one direction?

Mick Oliver, Stanmore, Middx"

Perhaps June 15 would be a good day to fly the flag across Europe.

Prince Charles: the future king of a colonized kingdom.

Submitted by Freespeech on Wed, 2006-02-15 20:22.

At least UK is dropping the mask. Prince Charles is simply speaking out the truth : UK is the No. 1 European country to have been colonized by muslims. That's why their government and press are in the front line bearing the cowardice flag among western countries.

Forget about Winston Churchill and George Orwell and the freedom values to be ready to die for!! That's all gone. Nobody cares any more for such old stuff!!

The unique great European country that has never suffered subjugation by foreign invaders must now face the sheer truth: they have laid down their freedom on the altar of multiculturalism.

No multicultularism is possible when the muslims are involved: they recognize only one culture, their own. Does anybody have any doubt left after
the Jyllands-Posten cartoons row?

Didn't the British know that "Islam" is the Arabic world for submission???? 

 

Islam a cult

Submitted by Charlemagne on Wed, 2006-02-15 21:33.

Islam is a cult. Further, it insults Christ by casting him as the world's greatest liar, by denying him the deity that he claimed for himself. Islam is opposed to Christianity at its core. There can be no dialog between Islam and Christians - only mutual contempt. Our forefathers learnt that the only practical way to control Islam was by the sword, because by the sword alone was Islam spread, just as Mahomet decreed, and that is a lesson that should never be forgotten by the west. Pity they don't teach it in schools.

Lord Stanley and Lord Headley

Submitted by peace on Wed, 2006-02-15 20:00.

The Prince also recalled that when Lord Ahmed was elevated to the peerage in the 1990s, it was hailed as a breakthrough for the Muslim community. But the Muslim convert Lord Stanley of Adderley had beaten him into the Upper House by more than 100 years, as had Lord Headley, who announced his conversion to Islam in 1913.

THE PRINCE

Submitted by peace on Wed, 2006-02-15 19:58.

PRINCE CALLS FOR GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF ISLAM

SOURCE: The Times. By Alan Hamilton.

THE need for an understanding of Islam has arguably never been greater than now, the Prince of Wales told an audience of Muslim academics and community leaders yesterday. Speaking at the opening of a postgraduate studies building at a Muslim education centre, the Prince praised the contribution of Islamic culture to European civilization in fields as diverse as mathematics, astronomy, medicine and the arts. He told an audience of 200 guests at the Markfield Institute of Higher Education, near Leicester, that the presence of Muslims in academia, public office and the higher echelons of British society was not something new, but was something to be celebrated. He also paid tribute to the sacrifice made by Muslims during the First and Second World Wars. “We might also pause to remember the hundreds of Muslims who died in the service of the Crown . . . the Merchant Navy memorials on Tower Hill in London, for example, provide ample evidence of those brave Muslim men who gave their lives on board British ships,” the Prince said. The Prince also recalled that when Lord Ahmed was elevated to the peerage in the 1990s, it was hailed as a breakthrough for the Muslim community. But the Muslim convert Lord Stanley of Adderley had beaten him into the Upper House by more than 100 years, as had Lord Headley, who announced his conversion to Islam in 1913. The centre, which is run by the Islamic Foundation, has played a key role in developing and promoting a better understanding of Islam in the West. The foundation, which promotes academic study of Muslim religion and culture, had for many years been at the forefront of dialogue between British Muslims and their non-Muslim fellow citizens, the Prince said. “It has sought to make the tenets of the faith of Islam accessible to everyone through active participation in interfaith dialogue and education.”

emeda30

Submitted by truth serum on Wed, 2006-02-15 01:49.

What do you care about human rights?  None of the Muslim countries agree with the human rights groups or commisions anyway.  Fact.

Why won't they agree?  Because most of the rights (some of which are for women by the way) go against Islam.

P.S.  Cindy Sheehan has lost most if not all of the respect she once had in this country...so she is not a good reference. 

 

UK first to endorse violence

Submitted by Freespeech on Tue, 2006-02-14 22:38.

Once more I repeat that we must give MAXIMUM evidence to the fact that UK politicians of "straw" have been the front runner in endorsing, although indirectly, the violence that culminated in the torching of Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus on Feb. 4th and the Danish one in Beirut on Feb. 5th.

The first violent demonstration erupted in London on Feb. 3rd, with NO REACTION FROM UK AUTHORITIES. The whole world has witnessed muslim thugs allowed to roam freely in the London's streets calling for beheadings, vaunting the Sept-11 and July-7 "exploits" and thretening more punishments of the like to the "infidels" while the police was standing idle.

Whoever had a minimum awareness of the way the "submission" mentality works would have understood that such acquiescence was inevitably bound to be interpreted in the muslim world  as a clear signal : if the British ( thus their American cousin tribe as well ) do not stand to defend the Danish even in UK, it means that the muslims in their countries are fully entitled to punish Denmark as they please.
In the "submission" mentality strenght comes first : if the bigger and stronger tribes do not defend the smaller ones then the weakest must succumb.

Would someone in the UK's government dare to assert that they do not have enough awareness about how the muslim mind works hence they couldn't foresee such "unpleasant"  further developments? Their very stance has been absolutely instrumental in turning the following events into UNAVOIDABLE violence.

Besides, Feb. 3rd is completely omitted by the shameful BBC in the "Row Timeline" published in its news website.

Shameful BBC

Submitted by Bob Doney on Wed, 2006-02-15 00:18.

Besides, Feb. 3rd is completely omitted by the shameful BBC in the "Row Timeline" published in its news website.

In fairness the BBC's news broadcasts have included a lot of footage and comment on the police's passivity during these protests.

Bob Doney

RE : Shamful BBC

Submitted by Freespeech on Wed, 2006-02-15 16:14.

A "timeline" is a succession of events whose sequential nature, if any, is given the due prominence.
By omitting to include in the "Row Timeline" the Feb. 3rd London's virulent protest the BBC is trying, although in vain, to hide the sequential nature that links what happened in Damascus on Feb. 4th and in Beirut on Feb. 5th to what happened in London on Feb. 3rd, thus downplaying the unmistakable role played by UK's politicians of "straw" in giving the green light to further escalation of the violence.
Obviously they had, at least, to provide footage and comments on the police's passivity, since both the would-be-slaughters' misdeeds and the police's acquiescence took place blatantly.
BBC's choice to omit the inclusion of Feb. 3rd London's events in the "Row Timeline" tells us a long story on its very commitment to honest reporting, whose top priority should be enabling the people to understand the true reasons that lie behind the events: that's not the BBC's case.
In fairness the politicians of "straw" attitude in confronting would-be-slaughters' violence in EU big towns cannot be ascribed to UK's government only : in Belgium both government and msm behaved even worse and, I suppose, we haven't seen yet the end of it, but UK carries the unenviable responsibility of having been first in setting the rules of the game.

What not in Nuremberg? Ach! That is too much!

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 21:10.

I am surprised you did not want them shown at Nuremberg also Emeda30, but we can do that after we show all the wonderful films from teh beheeadings of civlian workers and journalists, social workers, etc. Also can we also do the footage of the repressive muslim regimes. It would be sad to be pressed for time, so why not do them all. plus, there is a really nice restaurant near the Palace of Justice in Nuremberg!
What?

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

to rotten hoooker2

Submitted by peace on Tue, 2006-02-14 21:24.

and we will show too sabra and shatila films and abou garib jail and guantanamo bay jail which US refuse human right organizations to have alook at .
aslo we will show them the recent film of british soldiers abusing iraqi boys and we will them inglinda while she was abusing iraq men of abou garib.her photo was fantastic to you of course.
i swear taht u lik ethise kind of photo rotten hoooker as u are like her.

to rotten filthy hooker

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 21:38.

to rotten filthy hooker peace!
Sorry that is just sick and disgusting, you in drag in a sari with a girl and british soldiers, a jail, abusing prisoners, while iraqi boys are wearing your fathers ( you are the one who said Abou and last time I looked that meant father) dresses..what are you talking about?!?

Have you no shame!

Ohh!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Poor because they are Muslim.

Submitted by Balder on Sun, 2006-02-19 16:48.

Breeding is the main reason for the growth of Muslims in the primitive world. The increase of population in the Muslim world makes people poor, as the avaiable resources are not growing at the same speed as the population increase. Their faith makes it impossible to introduce any programs that limits the population increase. Their children are born into poperty.

Most Muslims are born Muslim, they will face serious consequences if they repell Islam and convert to a tollerant religion. In the primitive Muslim world the converts face death penalty of they reject Islam.

Muslims in the civilized world can reject Islam, and will do so if they gain enough information about their "peacefull" so called religion. That's why we need free speech to fuel a constructive debate about the nasty consequences of Islam and the Sharia law.

Slavery was a common thing in the middle east. Until 1962 Mekka was the centre of evial slave trade. Most primitive cultures in the middle east keept slavery until the 60'es. They still have a racist attitude towards people with dark skin, even in the more western like countries like United Arab Emirates.

Poor because they Fear of God !

Submitted by Balder on Sun, 2006-02-19 17:19.

I agree with our, they shouldn't let their lives be controlled by fear of god. Praying 5 times a day is a waste of time. They should spend their time growing up buisness, working hard, supporting the number of children they can afford....

emeda30

Submitted by truth serum on Tue, 2006-02-14 19:44.

We will never respect Islam or Mohammed no matter how many links you provide.

It is because of the Muslim's love, reverence, and WHORSHIP for Mohammed that is the problem in the first place.

Muslims want to be just like Mohammed...which is one of the reasons they marry little girls unto this day. 

Muslims want to be just like Mohammed...which is why they want to kill anyone who says an improper thing about him.

Muslims want to be just like Mohammed...which is why they behead some of their captives.

Muslims want to be just like Mohammed...which is why they hate and disrespect Jews, Christians, Hindus...everybody really, who is not Muslim.

Muslims want to be just like Mohammed...which is why they push and prod a person, a people, a nation with a bomb here and a bomb there, until they strike back...so they then can yell, "They are attacking Islam!"   It then becomes a war of defence rather than one of offence.  Old trick.

You have tried to tell us very hard about how good a man he was.  You could tell me of 100 good deeds and it would not matter because only of one of the deeds mentioned above cancels all the rest out.

A good man is a good man always...not just sometimes.

You have made a choice to overlook the bad and see only the good.  I will not.

Go to: http://www.faithfreedom.org/

Darlin...you have drank the Kool-Aid.  Wikipedia Jim Jones and you might be able to figure out what I mean.

 

Israel's NUKES

Submitted by Freespeech on Tue, 2006-02-14 17:41.

Israel is an outpost of civilization amid bloody barbarians tribes: all civilized world shall stand for Israel, because to defend Israel is -- by all means -- to defend ourselves.

The Jillands-Posten cartoons affair has been a huge gift of enlightenment in helping the peoples of the West to understand what kind of barbarians the muslims are.

Thanks to the Danish! Nobody in the West can go on pretending any more that muslims are peaceful people or that there is such a thing like "moderate" and "compassionate"(????) muslims : they have definitely shown to the whole world their true barbarian face. After the Jillands-Posten affair so many more people in the West have understood that talking about "moderate" muslims is like talking about "moderate" Nazis.

Long life to Israel and VIVA ISRAEL's NUKES : I feel by far more reassured by Israel's nukes than by the EU's politicians of "straw" that, after ceremoniously condemnining the cartoons' publication, on Feb. 3rd allowed hordes of muslims thugs to roam through London's streets vaunting freely and openly of their Sept-11 and July-7 "exploits" and threatening more to come, while the same politicians of "straw" shamelessly condemned the torching of Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus ( feb. 4th ) and the Danish one in Beirut ( feb. 5th ). If such politicians of "straw" allow full display of muslim violence in what are supposed to be our countries' (????) streets what can they expect to happen in what really are their countries'(!!!!) streets?

Curiously, if you look at "Row Timeline" on the news website of the infamous BBC, you wouldn't find any mention of what happened in London on feb. 3rd. To say it all : feb. 3rd is not even included in the "Row Timeline" !!!!!

That's why we shall trust and cheer Israeli nukes because they are not only Israel's most reliable asset : they are the most reliable asset of all those that in the West still believe in liberty and are ready to commit their life to defending freedom.

to that chanting

Submitted by peace on Tue, 2006-02-14 18:06.

and what about sharon massacres of sabra and shatila where 3000 innocent civilians are killed ..i s that the civilized country you chante for

New Chant JUst for Peace's Benefit!

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 18:33.

Alrighty then you asked for it. But I was not chanting to do with anything for Israel so, here is my favorite Chant!!

By the way... I am not really bad..just drawn in cartoons that way! *wink, wink*

Bring back the Shah!
Bring back the Shah!
Death to Khomeini
Death to Khomeini
Bring back the Shah!
Bring back the Shah!
I love Mohammed Reza!
I love Mohammed Reza!
Bring back the Shah!
Bring back the Shah!
Pray for Ahmadinejad falls on his face Now!
Pray for Ahmadinejad falls on his face Now!
Bring back the Shah!
Bring back the Shah!
I like Mohammed Reza!
I like Mohammed Reza!
Bring back the Shah!
Bring back the Shah!
No more Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!
No more Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!
Bring back the Shah!
Bring back the Shah!
No more muslim clerics in Iran Now!
No more muslim clerics in Iran Now!
Bring back the Shah!
Bring back the Shah!

Odin be Praised Baldur Save Us!
Oh Gods bring back the Shah!

Good Morning Free Speech,

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:36.

Good Morning Free Speech, Charlemagne,Ziad Goudjil, S.F. Coletta Happy Valentine's Day! or Alla Hjärtan's Dag!

Fresh creme filled, apple and raspberry pastries, hot from the oven!

Doing omellettes.. care for some fruit - oranges, bananas, strawberries, blueberries, apples (fuji, galas here!)

Hot kaffee or tea or choklad.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Wikid

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:57.

How can Arabs(Semitic) Print Anti-semitic Cartoons, my be aself critisim

See, that's what happens when you use Wikipedia. "Anti-Semitism" is generally used to refer to prejudice against Jews. I know it's illogical. I know it's quaint. But there it is.

Try using an English dictionary and all will be clear (or vague).

Bob Doney

To Bob Good Morning 2

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:22.

Hmm true! But as Arabs and jews are both semites together, and I have heard name calling from both to each other I think it is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black at times. By the way, have some fresh fruit to go with the pastries! *smile* Making mushroom, scallion, danish ham and cheese omellettes as well. Care for one?

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

A-rabs Are NOT "Semitic", Dear Muzzie Liar

Submitted by God_Is_A_Zionist on Thu, 2006-02-16 05:22.

The a-rabs are most certainly NOT "Semitic". In point of fact, a-rabs are Hamites. As used by you, "semitic" refers to speakers of Semitic languages, and that does NOT make one a "Semite". To be a "Semite" in the sense of nationality or peoplehood, you must be a member of that particular nation for whom the term "anti-Semitism" was coined in 1879 by the German journalist and pre-Fascist Wilhelm Mahr, who needed a more scientific, more benign, term than "Juden-hass" (German for "hatred of Jews") to define a political movement centered upon hatred of Jews. At the time, 1879, muzzies had yet to invade, I mean immigrate en masse to, Germany, so Mahr kept his obsessions directed only at Jews. So, please, my dear lying emeda30, please cut the anti-semantic bullpuckey, for here surely a-rab anti-semanticism is, itself, anti-Semitism. Got any more lies for me?

Muslims DO print ant-semitic cartoons!

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:42.

He is not a western racist Emeda30, and your people do "print" anti semtici cartoons. Please do not go there..Syrian, Lebanese, Egyptian, Saudi Arabian etc newspapers do print them. Now please stop lying. Oh that is right I keep forgetting. He is not a "muslim" so it is alright to lie to him!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

In praise of vagueness

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:53.

There exists a cultural vagueness in the West.

Personally I don't mind a bit of vagueness with my breakfast cereal. So much better than all this red-hot fanaticism and unshakeable certainty the unvague keep imposing on the rest of us.

Bob Doney (vaguely)

To Bob! Good Morning!

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 14:19.

Here! here!

Care for a creme filled pastry to go with the cereal, Bob! Fresh from the oven! I have apple filling and raspberry ones as well!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save us!

Re: Sex Trade!

Submitted by A New Believer on Tue, 2006-02-14 13:46.

Truer words have never been spoken!
Once again! Thank You! Mange tak!
Tackar dig! Pilamaya ye!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

by Flemish American TO Emeda

Submitted by inas on Mon, 2006-02-13 22:08.

Remind me never to ask you to be a member of my debate team !

BELIVE ME NOBODY WILL ASK HIM TO BE IN HIS TEAM AFTER THAT HE SAID !!

Emeda, do you even read the links before you post them?

Submitted by Flemish American on Mon, 2006-02-13 21:36.

I quote: 

"How long has it been since the Muslims provided humankind with any
scientific or technological breakthrough? Or has the West monopolized
this field for the past millennium?

Answer:  The known period of monumental contributions by Muslims is that of
pre-rennaissance. However, it does not mean that Muslims, whether
liviung in Muslim lands, or elsewhere are not making any contributions
to science and technology and thereby to civilization. Muslims have won
the Nobel prize, and many of them have made other less well-known
contributions. However, there is no doubt that our contribution in
proportion to the world's population is highly questionable, and much
of it can be attributed to the poor attitude towards science and the
understanding of science, technology and the policies as well as
allocation of resources to education and research by those in power."

And this is your argument for the contribution of Muslim society in the area of science and technology?  Remind me never to ask you to be a member of my debate team !

 

Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;

the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;

and the wisdom to know the difference.

Hi emeda

Submitted by Gorm on Mon, 2006-02-13 20:46.

You are doing a very bad job in your attempts of selling Islam.
What we here in the west are seeing are uneducated uneducatable illiterate mudslimes from the sticks of Turkey who live on welfare on the expense of our tax money.

To boot they even insist that we shall abide to their medieval codex.

Dream on - your are up against a power so strong that your brainwashed outlook won't be able to fathom it.

harmony with logic mind

Submitted by USAYEAH on Mon, 2006-02-13 19:23.

"and why it is fast growing because it is with harmony with logic mind..
and why it is with logic mind due to its morals principals, monothism and not conflicting with science.."

Yeah?? Then why hasen't Islamic culture invented one single technological advance in the last 600 years? Not even ONE.

combustable engine?mmm Western
air conditioning mmmmm Western
anti biotics mmmm Western
your drilling rigs mmm Western

The Blue jeans I like to peel off hot Arab girls in the US...Western

By Nonie Darwish

Submitted by Gorm on Mon, 2006-02-13 16:52.

By Nonie Darwish

(Filed: 12/02/2006)

The controversy regarding the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed completely misses the point. Of course, the cartoons are offensive to Muslims, but newspaper cartoons do not warrant the burning of buildings and the killing of innocent people. The cartoons did not cause the disease of hate that we are seeing in the Muslim world on our television screens at night - they are only a symptom of a far greater disease.

I was born and raised as a Muslim in Cairo, Egypt and in the Gaza Strip. In the 1950s, my father was sent by Egypt's President, Gamal Abdel Nasser, to head the Egyptian military intelligence in Gaza and the Sinai where he founded the Palestinian Fedayeen, or "armed resistance". They made cross-border attacks into Israel, killing 400 Israelis and wounding more than 900 others.

My father was killed as a result of the Fedayeen operations when I was eight years old. He was hailed by Nasser as a national hero and was considered a shaheed, or martyr. In his speech announcing the nationalisation of the Suez Canal, Nasser vowed that all of Egypt would take revenge for my father's death. My siblings and I were asked by Nasser: "Which one of you will avenge your father's death by killing Jews?" We looked at each other speechless, unable to answer.

In school in Gaza, I learned hate, vengeance and retaliation. Peace was never an option, as it was considered a sign of defeat and weakness. At school we sang songs with verses calling Jews "dogs" (in Arab culture, dogs are considered unclean).

Criticism and questioning were forbidden. When I did either of these, I was told: "Muslims cannot love the enemies of God, and those who do will get no mercy in hell." As a young woman, I visited a Christian friend in Cairo during Friday prayers, and we both heard the verbal attacks on Christians and Jews from the loudspeakers outside the mosque. They said: "May God destroy the infidels and the Jews, the enemies of God. We are not to befriend them or make treaties with them." We heard worshippers respond "Amen".

My friend looked scared; I was ashamed. That was when I first realised that something was very wrong in the way my religion was taught and practised. Sadly, the way I was raised was not unique. Hundreds of millions of other Muslims also have been raised with the same hatred of the West and Israel as a way to distract from the failings of their leaders. Things have not changed since I was a little girl in the 1950s.

Palestinian television extols terrorists, and textbooks still deny the existence of Israel. More than 300 Palestinians schools are named after shaheeds, including my father. Roads in both Egypt and Gaza still bear his name - as they do of other "martyrs". What sort of message does that send about the role of terrorists? That they are heroes. Leaders who signed peace treaties, such as President Anwar Sadat, have been assassinated. Today, the Islamo-fascist president of Iran uses nuclear dreams, Holocaust denials and threats to "wipe Israel off the map" as a way to maintain control of his divided country.

Indeed, with Denmark set to assume the rotating presidency of the UN Security Council, the flames of the cartoon controversy have been fanned by Iran and Syria. This is critical since the International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to refer Iran to the Security Council and demand sanctions. At the same time, Syria is under scrutiny for its actions in Lebanon. Both Iran and Syria cynically want to embarrass the Danes to achieve their dangerous goals.

But the rallies and riots come from a public ripe with rage. From my childhood in Gaza until today, blaming Israel and the West has been an industry in the Muslim world. Whenever peace seemed attainable, Palestinian leaders found groups who would do everything to sabotage it. They allowed their people to be used as the front line of Arab jihad. Dictators in countries surrounding the Palestinians were only too happy to exploit the Palestinians as a diversion from problems in their own backyards. The only voice outside of government control in these areas has been the mosques, and these places of worship have been filled with talk of jihad.

Is it any surprise that after decades of indoctrination in a culture of hate, that people actually do hate? Arab society has created a system of relying on fear of a common enemy. It's a system that has brought them much-needed unity, cohesion and compliance in a region ravaged by tribal feuds, instability, violence, and selfish corruption. So Arab leaders blame Jews and Christians rather than provide good schools, roads, hospitals, housing, jobs, or hope to their people.

For 30 years I lived inside this war zone of oppressive dictatorships and police states. Citizens competed to appease and glorify their dictators, but they looked the other way when Muslims tortured and terrorised other Muslims. I witnessed honour killings of girls, oppression of women, female genital mutilation, polygamy and its devastating effect on family relations. All of this is destroying the Muslim faith from within.

It's time for Arabs and Muslims to stand up for their families. We must stop allowing our leaders to use the West and Israel as an excuse to distract from their own failed leadership and their citizens' lack of freedoms. It's time to stop allowing Arab leaders to complain about cartoons while turning a blind eye to people who defame Islam by holding Korans in one hand while murdering innocent people with the other.

Muslims need jobs - not jihad. Apologies about cartoons will not solve the problems. What is needed is hope and not hate. Unless we recognise that the culture of hate is the true root of the riots surrounding this cartoon controversy, this violent overreaction will only be the start of a clash of civilis-ations that the world cannot bear.

� Nonie Darwish is a freelance writer and public speaker.
http://terror-watch.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=5187#5187

*hugs Nonie Darwish* I am

Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-13 19:53.

*hugs Nonie Darwish* I am sorry for your fathers death, it is hard to loose a parent. I hope all that you do turns out well. I wish sometimes we could just jettison into outer space all terrorists. *sighs* Unfortunately, someone will swear they have rights and forbid that. I wish you the kind of Islam you would like to see, but we both know in order for that to happen, we may have along road ahead! May you have peace sister of heart!

Freya guard you !

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

TO FLEMISH AMERICAN

Submitted by inas on Mon, 2006-02-13 16:48.

maybe we flame so fast and badly as many say ... but anysingle person under pressure has a limit ... we are so pressured ... so much that some explote ! maybe if our living conditions wasn't so bad we would demonstrate in a  CIVILIZER manner ! but it is not.  Violence don't change anything, and personally think thant a good book or movie can impact more once it is not produced in hollywood!! Only the maniac try to change the world, some of us don't ask too much ... just to be lived  untouched, is that too much to ask??

sharon

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 16:31.

Sharon leads a state closely allied to the United States, protected by an ethnic cleansing process that has lasted half a century. Its crimes against the Palestinians in the occupied territories, including institutionalized torture and systematic expropriations in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, have been supported by the United States and normalized in the U.S. mainstream media for decades. Both officials and media have routinely made the deadly actions arising from the victim population into "terrorism," the death-dealing and terror of the ethnic-cleansing state into "retaliation" and innocent "self defense." The notion of Palestinian self defense doesn't arise.
In a recent article in the New York Times, however, reporter James Bennet notes that the ratio of killings during the first Intifada, 25 Palestinians to 1 Israeli, has fallen in the current Intifada to 3 to I ("Mideast Turmoil: News Analysis: Mideast Balance Sheet," March 12, 2002). Neither Bennet nor the editors explain how the party victimized at a 25-1 ratio could be said to be the terrorists rather than the victims. But clearly, the decline to 3 to 1 calls for rectification by a good genocidist.
The notorious terrorist Carlos the Jackal was credited with 80-90 killings during his career. He is in prison. Ariel Sharon was responsible for some 66 to 70 civilian deaths in a raid on Qibya in October 1953 (two-thirds of the victims were women and children) and he was found, even by the Israeli Kahan commission, to have been " indirectly responsible" for the mass killings at Sabra and Shatila, estimated by various authorities as somewhere between 800 and 3,000 Palestinian civilians, a large fraction once again women and children. The Kahan commission was protecting Israel's own high official in making Sharon only "indirectly responsible," but he was on the scene, was Minister of Defense in charge of operations in the area, and knowingly invited the Christian Phalange into the killing fields. He was quite aware of what was going to happen and failed to intervene during the 30 hours of killings.
An independent court or truth commission would have found Ariel Sharon directly responsible for the mass killings at Sabra and Shatila. So Sharon's terror record as a killer exceeds Carlos's by between I0 to I and 40 to 1, ignoring Sharon's involvement in death-dealing beyond the two cases mentioned.
In a minimally just world Sharon would be behind bars. Instead, the Israeli political system has brought him back to power to deal once again with the "terrorists." No objections have been voiced in the United States, and the "international community," delighted to see Milosevic in The Hague, has also been silent.
Piling irony on irony, Sharon has now been unleashed once again by a U.S. administration as part of the "war on terror"-earlier, the Reagan administration, also devoted to fighting "terrorism," had supported Sharon and associates in the 1982 invasion of Lebanon that culminated in the Sabra and Shatila massacre. Sharon is treated in the West as a respected statesman, even called a "man of peace" by George W. Bush in the wake of Sharon's new war crimes at Jenin, Nablus, Bethlehem, and other West Bank towns. This treatment of Sharon has one great merit: it makes crystal clear that the "war on terror" is a "war of terror."
As a "Greater Israel" ideologue long committed to more and larger settlements and no compromises on the occupation, Sharon never intended a peaceful settlement with the Palestinians. With U.S. connivance, he was able to ignore the Saudi initiative, not even bothering to make a counter-proposal. Sharon has repeatedly engaged in assassinations and other violent actions precisely to stimulate counter-violence to justify his determination to invade and destroy Palestinian civil society. Zbigniew Brzezinski speaks of the "deliberate overreactions by Mr. Sharon designed not to repress terrorism, but to destabilize the Palestinian Authority and to uproot the Oslo Agreement, which he has always denounced." Shulamith Aloni, of Israel's Meretz Party, points out that, after a period of Palestinian restraint, "Sharon and his army minister, apparently fearing that they would have to return to the negotiating table, decided to do something and they liquidated Raad Karmi. They knew that there would be a response," which they wanted and got. Only the U.S. media were fooled by his pro-war maneuverings, or seemed to be fooled.
As with the U.S. approval and protection of Israeli aggression, the Sharon method of fending off peace options is a rerun of 1982 Lebanon, where, contrary to establishment mythology, the Israeli invasion was precipitated, not by Palestinian violence but by its very absence, which impelled a violent Israeli response to prevent negotiations and any kind of compromise settlement. The problem, according to Israeli analyst Yehoshua Porath, writing in Ha'aretz on June 25, 1982, was "that the cease fire had been observed," and Begin and Sharon invaded Lebanon anticipating and desiring that a PLO under military attack "would return to its earlier terrorism" and "lose part of the political legitimacy it has gained." Sharon is still playing that game and with the success that comes from the fact that an Israeli leader, even a world class genocidist, is under the full protection of the U.S. government and media.

to foreign devil

Submitted by inas on Mon, 2006-02-13 15:02.

In my opinion the best way to underestood a society or a religion is to live there where we are. Only then you will get a little idea of us, we are not killers, we don't hate the others just because they think in a different manner. I know how do you live your day i lived in a western country i can be integrated easily ...but do you ask yourself that maybe there is a little possibility that we are not as the western tv presents us?  Somehow we do ask ourselves questions ...but should we trust in the answers that we get ?

Just listen to yourself.....

Submitted by mjmusa on Sun, 2006-02-19 14:25.

"Foreign Devil"
The you say you do not hate others??
What I keep hearing from our leaders is that Islam is a religion of "peace"

It is becoming more and more obvious that it is a religion of hate and unforgiveness.

Listen to the hypocracy of your own words....
You are so hate filled and delusional you do not even see your hypocracy when you put it down in words...

Get you

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 15:05.

Now i get you , you are Racist and Xenophopic and i am sure that you have Anti-semitic direction,

Dear emeda30,

I'm beginning to get you too.

By the way I'm not an editor, here or anywhere else.

Best wishes,

Bob Doney

New York

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:57.

Your list not related to our Islam, mostly it is the list of American crimes in a state like New York

Nice try, but I think not!!!! Some of the names and places don't look like they're in New York State to me.

Bob Doney

to mr bob..you are just denying

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 15:13.

is that what u could say...
no logic as usuals ..just twisting words as if we are in a comic film...
who ignited civil war in iraq Mr....??.
they caught british intelligance implanting bombs in shea mosques to stick it to sunna..........
why we didnot hear about these things before invasion..no suicidal bombs, before...
is that the democray an d freedom you brought to iraq

Hi codymega

Submitted by Gorm on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:47.

Interesting facts - I assume it's facts
Do you have a link?

Cheers
Gorm

Logic

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:50.

If all the muslims are terrorists, it is logic to say that all Europeans are terrorists, and all jews are terrorists and all American are terrorists , and so on

No, you've lost me on this one. It's like saying: "If all bananas are yellow, then all oranges are yellow, all cherries are yellow and all plums are yellow."

And you seem to have stated a false premise, namely that "all the muslims are terrorists". Is that what you think, because I don't!?

Bob Doney

cody mega

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:42.

are not u just embarrssed when u come tomention iraq.
why these things hapedn in iraq after american invasion??////.
what about making a list of your dark ages and dark christian history of bloody war.
crusades.
imperialism of all islamic country.

those things started thousands years ago and still which prove well who u are...
you ignore world war I and II mt idiot..
who ignite them not muslims hha.
what about using our land which were occupied by u as battle field implanting those bombs under grounds whick kill on daily basis innocent people .you implanted millions of it..princes diana faile d with clinton tomake him sign fro no more of them...
you refuse to even aplogyize for it ..you refuse to share eeven in its removal...
who are the terosits here....
what about you Mr bob .your coutry implanted millions of them

to this cody an dall others

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 15:02.

i started to use word idiot ,ignorant an dfool after i saw what the low stnadard , vulgar languages u use....
this is my limits as muslim...
you can go an d check what kind of language these peoplearmyscout an d new believer ..with no denying from any of u civilized ....
and u get adavantage of us the muslims here who
donot mock any prophet even your christ and
not reply to u by your same nasty words.......how mean ...soooooo mean and shamless

Not as Mean

Submitted by mjmusa on Sun, 2006-02-19 14:18.

At least these people are not murdering others in the name of god!!!!!!!!!

Not as Mean

Submitted by mjmusa on Sun, 2006-02-19 14:18.

At least these people are not murdering others in the name of god!!!!!!!!!

to this cody mega

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:57.

3/4 os world hate islam ...because christians world consistute 2 million of taht world..
and why christians hate islam because islam is fast growing religion of the world..
and why it is fast growing because it is with harmony with logic mind..
and why it is with logic mind due to its morals principals, monothism and not conflicting with science..
that is why it attracts not only ordianry peopel but also intellectuals and university stuffs.
and taht is why islam is written on cuba hall of congress library .it is the only religion taht is mentioned there among names of ntions an dcountries which has wonderfull influence on humanity..

burning your flags only 35 years ago

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:11.

YOU HAVE BURNED OUR FLAG FOR 35 YEARS!!! PEACE ? LIES!!! MANY MANY CARTOONS FROM MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES HAVE INSULTED THE JEW AND THE CHRISTIAN, LONG BEFORE DENMARK. a religion of Peace ?? hahahaha...

this is what u said..
fine that u admitted here taht burning your flags started only 35 years ago.
did u ask yourself why?
really we are so patient ,polite and kind peopel so as not to burn your flages earlier than only 35 years ago.

question of Goethe

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:05.

The western nations are only trying to become the master of the Universe. But their souls have not found peace and rest.
Thomas Carlyle, struck by this philosophy of life writes "and then also Islam-that we must submit to God; that our whole strength lies in resigned submission to Him, whatsoever he does to us, the thing he sends to us, even if death and worse than death, shall be good, shall be best; we resign ourselves to God." The same author continues "If this be Islam, says Goethe, do we not all live in Islam?" Carlyle himself answers this question of Goethe and says "Yes, all of us that have any moral life, we all live so. This is yet the highest wisdom that heaven has revealed to our earth."

Lamartine,

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:02.

If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls. . . his forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, the unity of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.
"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"
Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.

Astounding results

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:09.

If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad?

If.

Bob Doney

to mr Bob2

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:20.

u are embarrassed from your british soldiers ..are not u..
u are still since yesterday thinking about how to twist a reply...
i will relief u.
those soldiers who are supposed to belong an d represent the army of their civilized great country really reflects tthe culture and religion they come from ....
as corrupted catholic priests represent the churchs and the christianty u know.
u will say they are individuals not representing....
do u really believe yourself.

british sadists

Submitted by grumpy on Mon, 2006-02-13 15:19.

The case is under investigation. Can I tell you a different story: when Syrian troops briefly recovered the Golan in 1973, they cut off the penises of the Israeli soldiers they had surprised, and stuffed them in their mouths.
Don't take the trouble to answer, there is no answer.
And don't worry, I swear that this is the last time I reply to one of your messages. I must say that I know a lot more about Islam than I did 2 weeks ago. Thank you and goodbye.

to this grumpy

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 16:16.

it is also not an honor for me too that u reply to any of my post.
as u are not able due to your racist nature.
what about sharon killing of egyption prisoners of war in 1967..he admitted that proudly in a book.....
what about his massacres in sabr and shatila....
i hope that what u say about syrian doing is true as those sich raicst israelis deserve more than that.
what they are doing in golan any way?itis a syrian land isnot it....
you as usual want to occupy but expect kind treatment.......
you humilated jews in your country tehn imported them to us with thier sick souls.
then u still dare to speak.

Bottom Line

Submitted by mtk2006 on Tue, 2006-02-14 07:18.

DEATH THREATS AND VIOLENT PROTESTS ORIGINATING FROM HAVING

ONE’S RELIGION OR PROPHET DEPICTED AS BEING VIOLENT IS NOT

HYPOCRISY BUT A CONFIRMATION OF AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH IN IT’S

PUREST FORM.

*************

Tabari IX:69) “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

Sick and racist

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 16:23.

i hope that what u say about syrian doing is true as those sich raicst israelis deserve more than that.

Careful now, or someone might accuse you of anti-Semitism.

Is this the kind of peaceful thought and speech recommended by your religion?

Bob Doney

Embarrassed

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:33.

u are embarrassed from your british soldiers ..are not u.. No, I'm not. I expect they will be caught and punished.

u are still since yesterday thinking about how to twist a reply... No.

i will relief u. Of what?

those soldiers who are supposed to belong an d represent the army of their civilized great country really reflects tthe culture and religion they come from ... Do they?

as corrupted catholic priests represent the churchs and the christianty u know.
u will say they are individuals not representing.... But you deny that Muslims perpetrating violence represent Islam. You can't have it both ways.

do u really believe yourself What a very strange question!

Bob Doney

to Mr Bob no punishment as usual

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 15:28.

is that supposed of being a reply or twisting words as usual . and to your knowledage mr wh say that those british soldiers willbe punished ..only to your knowledage...this event an dthis video is taken two years a go..
where is the punishment then ?.
can you reply or as usual?.

Punishment as usual

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 16:01.

this event an dthis video is taken two years a go..
where is the punishment then ?.

The usual process is that allegations are made, investigations are carried out, people are charged, a court hearing is held, and then punishment is dealt out to the guilty. The punishment can't be made until the end of this process. As far as I am aware the allegations have only just been made as a result of a British newspaper - using its right of free expression - publicising them yesterday.

Bob Doney

to Mr Paul Belien

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:00.

Mr Paul Belien :
Please would you send an invitation to everyone here in this site so as not to use vulgar, indecent words.i cannot recommend this site now to anyone due to low standard words used here.it is type of words which cannot be presented in many of your TV during day time ..

t o Mr Bob

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:57.

i did not hear from u about your british soldiers who suffer from sadism.

here u all calim that u are civlized europeans while only muslims are the bad one...
you want to do whatever u want, occupying ,burning, destroying, breaking dignity of nations, stealing history but you donot any response and yet call whoever terroist..
do u like yourself..
are you satisfied on yourself.
i would like to recieve precise reply

Precise reply

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 14:05.

here u all calim that u are civlized europeans while only muslims are the bad one...

No, I don't.

Bob Doney

Yes you are terorist

Submitted by mjmusa on Sun, 2006-02-19 14:51.

Palestine is occupied because Israel was atacked by you terrorists. Sorry but they defended themselves, kicked some ass and taught them a lesson.

Amercia dropped the bomb to save hundreds of thousands of American lives, which would have been lost, in an invasion of the Japanese mainland. By the way the Japanese attacked America!!

Iraq - we went into Iraq to bring Democracy to the Middle East and to get rid of a maniac leader. These 'occupiers were prepared to dump one hundred billion dollars improving the Iraqi infrustructure, install a new government and then leave. It is the ignorance of the people which has kept us as "occupiers". Personally I say we severe ourselves from the region, eliminate our dependence on oil and let you all grow up into civilized human beings on your own.

The United States sacrificed many lives to rid itself of Hitler, it did not support him!! You mindless humam being! Let me tell you this; we will defend ourselves. We will hunt terorist down in every last corner of the earth until they grow up and learn to behave themselves. All I can see are hate filled racist maniacs who continue to kill innocent people in the name of God.

YES - WAKE UP - YOU ARE TERRORISTS - YOUR SO CALLED "RELIGIOUS LEADERS" DO LITTLE TO STOP YOUR TERROR; IN FACT THEY QUIETLY SUPPORT IT IN YOUR MOSQUES!!!!

WAKE UP AND LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR.....

to emeda

Submitted by nermin on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:52.

it is only allowed for them to post links and make copy an d paste from their malicous writings but when a muslim does that they lose their mind .......what can we call this..
double standard measures.
total blindness of hear.
deep hetrede genes inherited thousands years a go from the days of crusades and dark ages.
they also donot find any logic to reply excepy two things:
1-saying nasty ,low standards words in whicg no muslim can exchange or use to reply.
2- play with words and comment on something else.
they are hopeless case

Terrorism IS Islam

Submitted by Gordonz on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:33.

 That's the only way they know how to communicate because of their humiliation at being the bottom of the world's foodchain.

I think armyscout can say whatever the fuck armuscout wants to say.

Act not React

Submitted by jeadss on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:17.

Whatever might be the reasons to react againts a wrong behaviour, one should never give up the principles of ethic and common good sense. Doing arm to others is doing arm to ourselves.

http://www.searchincontext.com

Armyscout does not represent the best of the West

Submitted by Flemish American on Mon, 2006-02-13 13:07.

As frustrated and worried as I might be with the current situation, I feel that comments like those of armyscout are not very constructive.

I do find that, while politically correct, it is naïve to say that their is no link between terrorism and Islam.  The last post on my own blog will confirm this is my conviction.

However, the comments of armyscout are purely confrontational and have no merit on the current discussion.

I trust the enlightened participants understand this and will ignore his ignorance.

Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;

the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;

and the wisdom to know the difference.

Last post to armyscout

Submitted by Flemish American on Tue, 2006-02-14 09:23.

Besides being rude, you obviously cannot read, either my posts or my blog.

I suggest going back to elementary school and learning to read again before you stick your foot in your mouth again with me. I don't really resent what you said as I consider you low-level trailor trash. However, it is dissappointing that you make public comments like that against my character without ever taking the time to see where I stand on the issues.

If you truly have had experiences of war, then you have my thanks for taking that road. However, I would like to recommend you go see the army shrinks because you are ill-prepared for re-entering mainstream society.

Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;

the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;

and the wisdom to know the difference.

To INAS - Seeing things the same

Submitted by Flemish American on Mon, 2006-02-13 12:47.

Quoted from a post of INAS:

"Maybe it’s hard for you to understand that in our miserable life you can find people that STILL BELIEVE in religion. I am just wondering why that is so difficult to be accepted. Why every single person of us should see the things as you do? "

You know, INAS, with that very comment you raise the very issue that has created the problem in the first place.  Why SHOULD every person see the things as others do?

Although we would like you to understand that our belief in free speach might allow for some things to be created that offend others, we have to allow that you will never fully understand that perspective.  Alternatively, your expectation that we will understand how a few cartoons could mobilize large groups of people to riot, destroy and even kill is totally uncomprehensible to us in the Western world.

We cannot be expected to fully understand each other.  Too many perspectives are in play.  The biggest difference is that we are not threatening you bodily harm for believing the way you do and you cannot claim that this the same coming the other way.

Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;

the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;

and the wisdom to know the difference.

Drivel

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 10:37.

When you copied and pasted this drivel from

http://www.mathaba.net/related.shtml?x=287367

you forgot the title, the author's name and the first paragraph:

Satire: Will the moderate Muslim please stand up
by Dr Sahib M Bleher, the characters in this story are entirely fictional and any resemblance with real persons is entirely accidental

Who do you think you are kidding?

Bob Doney

Really happened

Submitted by Bob Doney on Mon, 2006-02-13 11:23.

It not Just me telling this,that is what i am sure really happen doesn't mater who said that

Well, if this is "what really happen" it seems a bit queer that the author said he made it all up - in his head. That's what "fictional" means. He invented it. It's not true. It's a story, a fairy-tale. It didn't happen. It's not factual. He is not describing something real, only something he dreamt up.

Bob Doney

Criminals

Submitted by fmfalcao on Mon, 2006-02-13 07:41.

Countries all over the world have welcomed immigrants for many years.  These countries do not expect these immigrants to loose thier identities, but to harmonize with thier "host" country. Being respectful of local culture, language and laws are just a few ways that an immigrant can show his/her appreciation.  What I'm seeing, all over the world, is this outright disrespect - no - outright lawbreaking - all because a minority feels like they (thier religion, language, clothes, etc) have been made fun of.  Instead of expressing thier anger or frustration at the situation, they burn, they kill, they destroy - they disrespect the country - the very people - that took them into thier homes.  To me, if freedom of speech is allowed in Denmark, then [u]all[/u] should respect that freeedom - if you have a problem with the freedoms of Denmark - then bugger off an find a new home - one that will put up with your intolerant bullshit.  

 Relax,

FMF from Canada
 

Muslim Religion

Submitted by superior auto institute on Tue, 2006-02-14 08:41.

I am not well versed in the Muslim religion(s) but maybe someone can tell me why it is ok to harm other human beings for an opinion or at the very least, a comic strip.