Barbarians in the Gates

From the desk of Joshua Trevino on Sun, 2006-02-12 13:58

We [Americans] care about Europe for the same reason we care for the suicidal: because a chosen fate is not inherently a just one, and we are called to act when an unjust end threatens. We care about Europe because filial piety is still a virtue: we are, in the end, a European nation as surely as our peers in the Anglosphere and much of Latin America, and parts of Africa and south Asia. This is not a racial classification, and it is a testament to the encompassing wisdom of the European heritage that it is not. We care about Europe out of self-interest: it is a culture and a way of life that we are heir to — and when we see its internal flaws lead it inexorably (though not inevitably) to this slow death of self-negation, we ignore its lessons at our peril.

We care about Europe out of common interest: its enemy is ours.

We have seen that enemy at work of late. The insane furor over the now-famous Muhammed caricatures in the Danish Jyllands-Posten has metastasized into a true clash of civilizations. It seems that depiction of the Prophet is prohibited — albeit a prohibition observed mostly in the breach — and now that the kufr has violated the law, he must pay. In Damascus, the Danish and Norwegian embassies have been put to the torch. In Beirut, the Danish consulate has been ransacked and fired. In Palestine, the descent into Iraq-style barbaric anarchy continues as European Union offices have been raided, and Europeans have been kidnapped. Danish companies suffer a boycott across the Muslim world; and Denmark itself has seen relations broken with Muslim nations which, though quite happy to peddle Nazi-quality anti-Semitism, cannot endure the thought of mild fun poked at their Prophet.

The doughty Danes refuse to apologize. The Danish Queen, living up to the example of her royal predecessors, has called upon her countrymen “to show our opposition to Islam” in this hour. There is, the Danes patiently explain, this heritage and belief in freedom of conscience, and therefore freedom of expression. It is baffling, no doubt, to those who prefer to express inchoate frustration through mayhem and murder; but little Denmark sees no reason to capitulate to their sensitivities. On Denmark’s side are a few publishers of a few newspapers: Liberation, El Pais, Le Monde, France Soir, Die Welt, La Stampa. And there are a few bloggers. This, pathetically, is the totality of the defense of the West.

 

Arrayed against Denmark alongside the howling mobs of the fanatically faithful are the great powers upon whom the defense of the West supposedly rests. UK Secretary Jack Straw, egged on by the odious Iqbal Sacranie, struck a blow against small publications daring to insult the majesty of Islam when he declared that the “republication of these cartoons has been unnecessary, it has been insensitive, it has been disrespectful and it has been wrong.” (So much, then, for a European Union providing for a common defense!) The Vatican, which once organized vigorous defenses against these depredations, instead hearkened back to a less noble element of its past and announced that “The right to freedom of thought and expression … cannot entail the right to offend the religious sentiment of believers.” Well. Doubtless the Papacy is mindful of the precarious position of the Chaldeans and Maronites at the mercy of the offended population, to say nothing of the Franciscan custodians of the holy places: between a slow demise by oppression, and a swift one with honor, it has made its choice.

Worst of all is the wholesale capitulation of the United States. The American press has been spineless, with no significant print or television outlet to date having the courage to show the cartoons even in the course of reporting. Going the media one better in the vigorous embrace of gutlessness, the Administration of George W. Bush has come out firmly on the side of the fanatics: “We all fully recognize and respect freedom of the press and expression but it must be coupled with press responsibility. Inciting religious or ethnic hatreds in this manner is not acceptable.” This sickening pandering to the sensibilities of a cohort it has already profoundly alienated is made worse by the abandonment of a wartime ally. Denmark stands with us in Iraq and Afghanistan, and its soldiers there are even now under mortal threat because of this fracas. Add, then, one less reason to go to war with the United States: not only does it botch its planning, but when the enemy gets angry, it will throw you to the wolves.

What to call that enemy is a conundrum all its own. Some would have it that the foe is political Islam; others a radical Islam; others a national or cultural stridency in which Islam is merely an incidental tool; still others a false Islam. Certainly we can say what it is not: it is neither the infantile, sanitized faith touted by the shallow minds of the present Administration; nor is it the innocently beleaguered victim of its dhimmi-minded predecessor. And certainly we can say who, if not what, threatens us: people who identify as Muslim, and are prepared to do violence to that end.

 

Eschewing the tedious and irrelevant debate over what to call the enemy, and what his precise relationship is with the faith he curiously often professes, this much is indisputably true. It is assuredly this same foe who, having accorded a hero’s burial to a murderer of the Bloody Seventh, having celebrated the slaughter of September 11th, and having called to power the masters of suicide bombers, now feels immensely outraged over the desecration of his Prophet. Know this: neither massacre of innocents, nor mauling of children, nor infamy dredged from the horrors of the Dark Ages repel their consciences — and still less do they spur a reexamination of their fundamental beliefs. But draw the beloved Prophet?

Kill.

The barbarians have won. Let us be forthright about this. In what should be a clear case of right and wrong — free expression good, death and violence against it bad — the great powers of the West have failed in their most elementary duties of conscience and self-preservation. There is no moral difference between appeasing the sensitivities of violent Islam, and appeasing the sensibilities of Germans circa 1933 who yearned for the return of the Volksdeutsche. The aping of the rhetoric of a just demand (for sensitivity!) does not signify the existence of that just demand (for submission!). There is no point of satiation at which the killers of 9/11, Theo van Gogh, Atocha, Fallujah, or the rest will be satisfied. There is no supine posture to forever preclude the “cartoon rage” of today. There is no appeasing gesture to deflect the blow. There is no demonstration of goodwill that will engender the same. There is only weakness — and strength.

We are not among the strong. We have chosen not to be.

“They have won. That is the sad fact.

”I guess that during the next generation no one in Denmark will draw the Prophet Mohammed.“

Certainly not. The ultimate fault is not the murderous masses’, but our own. That is the truth. And that is our shame.

Read again

Submitted by lilly on Sun, 2006-02-19 21:26.

I think you should read all your posted comments again, one by one, and then really think about who's the real idiot...

If insults is all you are good at, then maybe ignorning you completely is the best any respectable person can do. I'd rather save my energy for more open-minded people capable of having a grown up converstation...

Lilly

Lilly! Lilly! Lilly! Oh Lilly! So sad!

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-19 23:04.

With you it is always terrible, deplorable, so sad, unintelligent, what can one do* the constant wringing of your bloody hands, the sniffles and whimpers* Oh you abhore the violence, the bloodshed, the terror actions! Oh! Oh! And we are being chidlish, boring, unenlightened,simple minded! Wake Up! Smell the kaffee! Sitting there on your dainty little bum being so overwrought and terribly disheartened and saddened because we are not jumping up and down for joy to see a lady of obvious virtue and delicacy, a muslim princess of victorian standards being so emphathetic and sympathetic to the cause and yet saying we need to understand all muslims more. At which point we all agree to go home and stop pressing for OUR rights, accepting the strictures and doctrine of your religion as the HOLY GOSPEL! NOT HAPPENING SWEETIE! Oh yes, we understand you all very well. They did the stick, whilst you play the sweetened poison carrot.* shakes head sadly*When they have finished subduing us, if they ever achieve it.. believe they will be around to make you stay indoors 24/7. Those little tootsies of yours will never see the sun again, nor will anything else about you. they will take away your genteel reading.. to inflammatory. They will take away your chocolats.. Hmm ther is alcohol in real vanilla you see. swimming! Forget it! You loose in a swimming pool enjoying yourself. hahah! Do not make me laugh! More oppression, more intolerance, more restrictions and this time against you! Honestly, you really ought to fall in with our lot! Cause after they finish us off they will be coming for you Moderates! Mark my words!

I leave you with the words of a speech made by a Protestant minister in Nazi Germany during World War II. They are prophetic, pay close attention Lilly! When they have finished with the "unbelievers" they will start in on the believers that are moderate, peaceful..those that are keeping silent ..wringin their hands NOW! The words..remember them always!:

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

There will be no one left to speak for YOU either!*winks*

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Well...New Believer...

Submitted by lilly on Mon, 2006-02-20 21:39.

I have to admit that you make alot of sense when you are not dashing out insults...
It's true that some islamists are trying to rob us our freedom and are abusing their powers...
Well.. you seem happy being a pagan, as are some of my friends whom I respect (at least they know me and don't think of me as a fat taker). Obviously I'm happy being a muslim, and nothing will change that...
So let's both accept that people are different and just end the dispute...

Unless you'd like to add more comments about how i'm such a hypocratic idiot...*wink*

Lilly

To Lilly ...Madame!

Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-20 23:00.

Madame! You amaze me, ah yes, I am a savage I forgot, we see things as they truly are. Not as how others wish them to be perceived!

*shakes my head* You are still a WASICHU ( fat taker..nothing is EVER going to change that). You are still ineffectual and nothing will change that either! YOu are still a hypocrite of teh worst kind..sadly there also ...nothing will change that. I only stoop to insult the cretins who cannot hold a serious conversation in the first place madame , because they have no desire to nor will they even listen to an opinion other than what they believes serves them. Whether you approve, or disapprove of me..makes me little or no mind or worry. At one point in time I believed that all people could live together in peace. Muslim throughtout the world with their insanity, incredulous behavior and their fanaticism not to mention the liberals as wel as moderates amongst them too scared to open their mouth when they know someone else is right. Have left me COLD. I am an iceberg to you statements, arguments, and theories,fallacies etc. etc. ad infinitum as well as ad nauseum. That you even have pagan friens must mean you are in the west.. Please do us all a favor and GO HOME! If you are home send them back home so they will be safe. You as their guardian or advisor I find the thought horrendous.. They will surely wind up dead with such as you protecting them. And lastly if at home stay there.. because we have to many of you here at any rate. The Inn is closed! discussion ended!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Best response

Submitted by lilly on Sat, 2006-02-18 23:14.

Could not find a better response better than the Prophet's saying (Peace Be Upon Him)

"He is not strong and powerful who throweth people down; but he is strong who witholdeth himself from anger. "

"Whoever hath been given gentleness, hath been given a good portion in this world and the next."

Peace be upon You our dear Prophet...

Lilly

I am so tired of listening

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-19 01:20.

I am so tired of listening to the milksop, you are not saying anything at all.. just blithering as if you a are a dainty mindless idiot! What am I saying, of course you are!

Odin be Praised! Balder Save Us!

Prophet Muhammad

Submitted by lilly on Mon, 2006-02-13 00:33.

If prophet Muhammad ( PBUH) was alive today, He would have condemned all that violent behavior. He would have been patient and tolerant of differences in opinion. He would have cast aside all those terrorists rendering them as non-believers. Sad we can't do this now... there are so many of them. The least we can do as moderate muslims, is to promote the real sacred beliefs and practices of Islam. God help us!

Prophet Muhammad was a messenger of peace. You people should take the time to know him and read about him before you go attacking Islam the way you do. I'm sure if you did, you'll love and respect him as much as we do.

And as for you, New believer, you are doing all native americans wrong with your name-calling and foul language. Try to set a good example and make your point politely so that people could take you seriously.

You seem like a well-educated person, and certainly open minded... why ruin it by insulting others?

Just a thought....

Lilly

To Lilly

Submitted by A New Believer on Mon, 2006-02-13 02:01.

Do not lecture me about being a Native American, or what I should feel think or do. Souix do not take shit off of anyone, least of all you! I do not tell you that your kiss ass attitude as a moderate to the violent makes all muslims look bad.

I stopped being polite when people were not polite to me, as for calling her makamnaya, that is very mild I could have used others words. And she is a smelly skunk, but you ..you are wasichu! I rarely use that term but it means a "fat taker", these days it has come to be associateds with white men. But fat taker is what it means. Literally you are so greedy you would take the best of the food before the others could get to eat.

You seem to feel so much more genteel than the rest. I find Nermin offensive and yet she has raised a degree higher in my estimation. I find Nermin better than you. She does not pretend to be so elegant, recherché, and fine-grained. She can experience emotion and does not pretend that she is not pissed when she truly is. There is genuine emotion there, and as long as it is there ..it makes her human.She believes she is superior simply because she is muslim and so therefore she is right.

You are a "stepford wife";
You would seek to be superior to her and to me as well. In fact, you seek to show all the refinement and taste, the elegance and breeding of a superior muslim woman, soft, delicate, ladylike and deploring those vile, violent members of your co-religionists, as they stoop to such despicable levels.

It is the decent, god fearing, upright, forthright, downright inherently good muslims such as yourselves, that truly feel so terrible about all these awful misunderstandings. Why cannot we live together in peace, love and harmony * sniff, sniff into your cambric and lace handkerchief. Stepping gently through the muck and mire, shaking your head sadly* All of that..but will you stand and gather others to put a stop to it? Ohhh! Will you call for an end to hostilites and go out of your way to bring about such peaceful events? Aaaahh! Will you tell the violents..Cease...desist...stop! This is wrong we must find a better way! Hah! What? Am I mad? You could get hurt! ( the same thought running through all the others minds that are moderate and do not really wish to confront the violent ones!) They are dirty! there are so many of them! Ohh! Is this not the part where you nearly swoon, from the sheer weight of it all! Other women would faint..Not you! You are too genteel! You would swoon! I can see you now one hand, the back of it turned to your forehead, gently in a sort of victorian ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Soo many of them...... they are uncontrollable.......beastly, ghastly, terribly violent...really, really they are!.....( pronounced raally, raally)

Nermin began this shit days ago, I have no problem ending it for her. I am taken seriously enough, do not worry about me.. wasichu. I have responded with elegant tones, and 50 krone words. She never understands when you are nice to her. Only when you agree with her. If you disagree she becomes vituperative, nasty and abusive.

If we disagree we are shameless, terrible, no good, evil, unworthy. I have no time for unadulertated bullshit. I am can be as elegant and dainty as the sweetest, most genteel lady. When I need to I can also slap back and get in someone's face!

I owe no explanations to you. This is notice. Do not speak to me as a child wasichu, that is the same tone they use in Canada and the USA when you go to a store to buy something, and they assume because yer an injun you ain't got no money as they put it. Because I will slap the brown, black, white, red, yellow or green right off of you!

I do not seee all white men as bad. Some people are simply ignorant. Nermin is ignorant. One wastes one's time trying to be civil to an ignorant cow. I married one of your muslim arabs before, lived with you. I know the lies and the forked tongues, I know about the religion as well. Not buying it. Save the pedantic pedagogical manner and the semi-frosty, mannerisms of the beau-monde, you are just not quite good enough to pull it off, as well as the fact I could hardly give a damn either.

I went to school with some of the 400, you are not it. You need to work on your delivery. Many of them are really very nice people. Do not worry I am not including you in their number. oh by the way, yes I am very well educated my dear! Come back and see me when you have the Islamic Ladies of Fashion Sewing Society Cirle organized to do something about all those violent Hamas, Hizbollah and Al-Qaeda people who keep giving your sort such a bad name. * as you stamp your little foot indignantly*
I hold my man's shield and hammer for him! you will not find me in the drawing room sipping tea, if he is in danger. Thank You!

Gods bless your little peapicking heart! Freya love you!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Wow!

Submitted by lilly on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:58.

Hey Patriot!
Read your rather touching reply to Nermin and I think it's safe to say that you strike us all as a very polite, civilized and well mannered person!

And Nermin...
please don't be offended. Some people are just not worthy of your time. Please hold the debate with those who can engage in a grown up conversation and just ignore the rest. Keep up your good work.

Lilly

If only...

Submitted by lilly on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:42.

If only the West could understand that it's not a war as much as it is an articulation of how offended we are by those horrible cartoons.

If only the West could understand that we can't be held responsible for the horrible actions of those mindless terrorists who destroy and kill in the name of Islam. We are ashamed of them... and we understand why now we are perceived as a group of terrorists, not as believers

If only the West could understand that we value freedom of speech, everyone has the right to say whatever they want... as long as we don't insult ridicule, and stereotype each other. Did you really expect us to cheer for the Danes when they tainted the image of our most beloved prophet? The least we can do is protest! I was hoping that all muslims would have united to protest in a civilized, well-mannered way, just as Muhammad ( Peace be upon Him)  has taught us, but you can't judge a whole religion by some ignorant violent people, who are obviously too busy rioting and burning down embassies to take the time to actually learn about the real Islam. There are some good muslims out there who were hurt and offended. All we are asking is that if you want to try out freedom of speech, do it on your own time. Don't slap us on the face and expect a smile... You don't believe in Islam or in Muhammad, fine, just have the courtesy to respect that others do... so leave us alone and let us be...

Lilly

To Lilly if Only!

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:51.

Then reel them in the violent ones and maybe others will look at you differently, such things as the cartoons would not be printed. You do not do that! You let them slide!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To a New Believer

Submitted by mtk2006 on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:39.

"Nermin's new name is makamnaya ( means goes smelling like a skunk)

My tunkashila said once " Akita Mani Yo!"; in Souix that means "Observe Everything As You Walk!" something you muslims do not do!

"u think yourself smart enough to analyze all world events while you are dripping with hatrede and animosity an dcaary those barabric genes of your ancestors who erradicate native people of america with cold blood"

Damn! Nermin you are a dumb assed cow...At least three times before I have told you so I will tell you again! I am a native American you dumb assed twit! Lakotah Oglala Souix, my ancestors were at the Massacre at Little BigHorn, we were also at Wounded Knee.
And no I am not an AIM member either, my father called them "assholes in mocassins." Hoka hey stupid! Today is a good day to die! I told you I have not a drop of European blood in my body. But I am the sits beside woman of a Scandianvian male. Once again you peope do not listen. Oh but I am very much a Europhile. And even more so of Scandinavia, and one very much in particular. I was never a Christian dear Nermin, always followed the "old way" my tunkashila ( that is grandfather to you lamb breathe) ensured that. And the day Dad retired from the military he shocked the family he had been hiding his hair under a hairpiece for the last two years of his time in service. So he was a long haired warrior. hehehehe! Believe me I know a "forked tongue when I hear it" You have one. Stop assuming you know every damn thing cow. You know nothing. I hold no animosity towards any white men. Some people just move on, if I was as twisted as you muslims I would still be standing there frothing at the mouth, looking for scalps. Do not presume anything about native american, cow. It is an over 500 year struggle for many. I made my peace with the grandmothers, the grandfathers, and the creators a long time ago. That is why I love the Norse religion so much. It soo reminds me of the "old ones" my tunkashila taught me of. Besides Leif Erickson got there first, and made friends. Beat the hell out of Columbus's time. The Norsemen acted like us too! Good people!
Heya he Heya heya he Ina ma ate Lakotah, heyab ca heya heya hey. ( mean I am lakotah for my mother and father told me so..!)
****************
New Believer, You are my new hero! Or rather heroine!!!

You make me proud!! :)

To a New Believer

Submitted by mtk2006 on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:38.

"Nermin's new name is makamnaya ( means goes smelling like a skunk)

My tunkashila said once " Akita Mani Yo!"; in Souix that means "Observe Everything As You Walk!" something you muslims do not do!

"u think yourself smart enough to analyze all world events while you are dripping with hatrede and animosity an dcaary those barabric genes of your ancestors who erradicate native people of america with cold blood"

Damn! Nermin you are a dumb assed cow...At least three times before I have told you so I will tell you again! I am a native American you dumb assed twit! Lakotah Oglala Souix, my ancestors were at the Massacre at Little BigHorn, we were also at Wounded Knee.
And no I am not an AIM member either, my father called them "assholes in mocassins." Hoka hey stupid! Today is a good day to die! I told you I have not a drop of European blood in my body. But I am the sits beside woman of a Scandianvian male. Once again you peope do not listen. Oh but I am very much a Europhile. And even more so of Scandinavia, and one very much in particular. I was never a Christian dear Nermin, always followed the "old way" my tunkashila ( that is grandfather to you lamb breathe) ensured that. And the day Dad retired from the military he shocked the family he had been hiding his hair under a hairpiece for the last two years of his time in service. So he was a long haired warrior. hehehehe! Believe me I know a "forked tongue when I hear it" You have one. Stop assuming you know every damn thing cow. You know nothing. I hold no animosity towards any white men. Some people just move on, if I was as twisted as you muslims I would still be standing there frothing at the mouth, looking for scalps. Do not presume anything about native american, cow. It is an over 500 year struggle for many. I made my peace with the grandmothers, the grandfathers, and the creators a long time ago. That is why I love the Norse religion so much. It soo reminds me of the "old ones" my tunkashila taught me of. Besides Leif Erickson got there first, and made friends. Beat the hell out of Columbus's time. The Norsemen acted like us too! Good people!
Heya he Heya heya he Ina ma ate Lakotah, heyab ca heya heya hey. ( mean I am lakotah for my mother and father told me so..!)
****************
New Believer, You are my new hero! Or rather heroine!!!

You make me proud!! :)

To mtk2006

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:48.

Tacker Dig! Mange Tack! Pilamaya ye! Thank You!

all of those mean thank you! but i am not anything special, most assuredly not enough to be a heroine. that is why i laugh so much when i get called a nazi. hehehehe! i know I would have been in an oven vey quickly! no worries, just trying to "Akita Mani Yo!" (observe everything as i walk)

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Why on earth are we dragging

Submitted by Deepdiver on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:30.

Why on earth are we dragging Israel into the whole affair?
Some Muslims seem to think that they have a "get out of jail free" card because of what happens in the M.E.
This whole cartoon issue has got nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with Israel. As for terrorism, this is carried out by radical islamists all over the world - no amount of semantics with respect to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can change that.

The Palestinians are brought up to believe that they are the worlds eternal victims - before this attitude changes they can't move ahead. Victims never achieve anything, they just remain stuck in a cycle of self pity.
Read your history and you will know that many peoples have been dealt a bad deal - these did not resort to terrorism. the world is getting tired of this constant whining - even in Europe which has historically always supported the arabs over the jews - the patience of the world won't last forever and eventually it will turn away - In other words, get your act sorted out while the focus of the globe is still on you - publicity only lasts for so long.

You want to be treated with respect - you've gotta earn that respect. This is the real world - we left the playground years ago.

Sorry for the rant - but we can't keep mixing things which have got nothing to do with each other and allow the discussions to be constantly hijacked!

deepdiver

I reject video on Jesus too, but without burning embassies

Submitted by Flemish American on Sun, 2006-02-12 22:13.

This is what separates us from the animals, the ability to approach issues that bother us in an intellectual way without threatening bodily harm and destruction.

 

You want us to respect Mohammed and Islamic symbols and you are completely right.  I want Jesus to be respected in the same way and I am saddened when he is portrayed in any way that is less than Godly.

 

But it is there that our cultures separate.  Too many Muslims react with violence and hate to write it off as a selected few.  You have no place preaching to us until you can get your own bretheren to behave like civilized human beings.  Until then, your case carries no weight. 

Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;

the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;

and the wisdom to know the difference.

to Gorm 2

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 21:46.

Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified. It was the plan of Jesus’ enemies to crucify him, but God saved him and raised him up to Him. And the likeness of Jesus was put over another man. Jesus’ enemies took this man and crucified him, thinking that he was Jesus. God has said:

...They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)... (Quran, 4:157)

Neither Muhammad nor Jesus came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in one God, brought by earlier prophets, but rather to confirm and renew it.1

to gorm

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 21:44.

Muslims respect and revere Jesus (peace be upon him). They consider him one of the greatest of God’s messengers to mankind. The Quran confirms his virgin birth, and a chapter of the Quran is entitled ‘Maryam’ (Mary). The Quran describes the birth of Jesus as follows:

(Remember) when the angels said, “O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the righteous.” She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said, “So (it will be). God creates what He wills. If He decrees a thing, He says to it only, ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Quran, 3:45-47)

Jesus was born miraculously by the command of God, the same command that had brought Adam into being with neither a father nor a mother. God has said:

The case of Jesus with God is like the case of Adam. He created him from dust, and then He said to him, “Be!” and he came into being. (Quran, 3:59)

to nermin

Submitted by von Schlichtningen on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:57.

Are you more than one person or do you just quote extensively? Your use of language and writing change constantly.

to everyone

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:51.

Whether we are living in the Stone Age or the Space Age, riding in horse pulled carriages or flying in Space Shuttles, we haven't changed a bit. We still possess physical and emotional desires, we live in societies, interact with one another, establish social, political and economic systems; thus the relevant need for guidance by our Creator in all these spheres of our life. Islam is the only religion which is totally compatible with scientific facts and provides complete, explicit and clear guidance in all spheres of life.

The Quran was revealed in Arabic, but translation of its meaning are available in English and other languages for non-Arabs. Likewise Islam is not restricted to people of the east or Arabs, it is a universal religion revealed for all of mankind.

to mtk2006 from nermin 3

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:50.

Dr. Keith Moore [3], Professor of Embryology, after analyzing the verses of the Quran for three years comments: "It has been a pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about Human Development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later"

Dr. Maurice Bucaille [4], French Physician, after studying Quran and comparing it with modern science, addressed the French Academy of Medicine in 1976 proclaimed: "Our knowledge of these disciplines is such, that it is impossible to explain how a text produced at the time of the Quran could have contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern times".

Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson [5], Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, proclaims: "...These Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the writer (7th century)...It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Quran shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Quran having been derived from God".

Dr. Tejatet Tejasen [6], Professor of Anatomy, attending the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference, stood up and likewise announced: "From my studies and what I have learnt at this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran 1400 years ago must be true. That can be proved the scientific way".

These men of knowledge, in their unbiased studies of the Quran, all proclaimed its truthfulness as a Revelation of Almighty God.

"Soon we will show them Our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth) and in their own soul, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth..." (41:53)

Guidance to humanity proclaimed in the Quran is complete and applicable to all societies and all times. Whether we are living in the Stone Age or the Space Age, riding in horse pulled carriages or flying in Space Shuttles, we haven't changed a bit.

Revealed science

Submitted by grumpy on Sun, 2006-02-12 21:13.

Now, does this also mean that if there are theories, statements etc in the Quran that are proven false by science, the Quran can not be divine revelation???

to grumpy

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 21:23.

because there is nothing in quran proved to be false..that is why quran is unique .

i have the referance to those professores if u want them .soem of them wrote books about this ....

to mtk2006 from nermin 3

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:50.

Dr. Keith Moore [3], Professor of Embryology, after analyzing the verses of the Quran for three years comments: "It has been a pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about Human Development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later"

Dr. Maurice Bucaille [4], French Physician, after studying Quran and comparing it with modern science, addressed the French Academy of Medicine in 1976 proclaimed: "Our knowledge of these disciplines is such, that it is impossible to explain how a text produced at the time of the Quran could have contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern times".

Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson [5], Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, proclaims: "...These Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the writer (7th century)...It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Quran shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Quran having been derived from God".

Dr. Tejatet Tejasen [6], Professor of Anatomy, attending the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference, stood up and likewise announced: "From my studies and what I have learnt at this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran 1400 years ago must be true. That can be proved the scientific way".

These men of knowledge, in their unbiased studies of the Quran, all proclaimed its truthfulness as a Revelation of Almighty God.

"Soon we will show them Our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth) and in their own soul, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth..." (41:53)

Guidance to humanity proclaimed in the Quran is complete and applicable to all societies and all times. Whether we are living in the Stone Age or the Space Age, riding in horse pulled carriages or flying in Space Shuttles, we haven't changed a bit.

to, mtk2006 2 from nermin

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:45.

The Dutch naturalist Anthony van Leeuwenhoek (1632-1723) produced lenses powerful enough to prove that many tiny creatures are not spontaneously generated but are produced from eggs. The science of Embryology as we know it today did not discover many of the detailed aspects of human embryonic development until the 1970s, using powerful microscopes, ultra sound and fiber optics technology. See how the Quran described the stages of embryonic development.

"God fashioned man from a small quantity (of sperm)" (16:4) Fertilization takes place with only one sperm among several tens of million produced by man.

"Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest" (23:13) Implantation of the blastocyst in the uterus.

"Then We made the drop into a leech like structure..." (23:14) This resemblance of the human embryo to a leech is an appropriate description of the human embryo from days 7-24, when it clings to the endometrium of the uterus.

"And He (God) gave you hearing and sight and feeling and understanding." (32:9) The internal ears appear before the eyes, and the brain (the sight of understanding) differentiates last.

To nermin and emeda30,

Submitted by mtk2006 on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:30.

Muslims are so VERY certain about all their facts. Especially the fact that Islam is supreme above all other religions.

Why?
Because it is said in the Quran.

How do you know the Quran is completely accurate?
Because Mohammed said it is.

How do you know Mohammed's statement was correct?
Because it says so in the Quran.

Circular logic.

to mtk 2006( this why we are muslims)

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:59.

when the prophet mohamad started to iviti people to islam he didnot hav eth ewhole quran in his hand to convince people with.
we are muslims because we believe in th eone god the creator....whcih comes with our logic mind.
i read the old and new testament .even when i was a child the idekigy of trinity an d savoir didnot convince me an dtaht was me to be able to read quran in depth (as i was a kid).
so this answer what you say that we are muslims because quran says that an dwe believ in quran because prophet mohamad said so about quran..
if this is so why christianty disentgrated while u have bible and prophets.
ask yourself why islam is still vital an d alive while others are deserted and failed

to mtk2006

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:43.

The Quran was revealed 1400 years ago to the last Prophet of God, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as a guidance for all humanity. The entire Quran has been committed to memory by millions of Muslims around the world and has been preserved by God from any interpolations, for continuing guidance. Although the Quran is a religious book with a total of about 6600 plus verses dealing with many aspects of a person's life, about 1000 of those verses are of scientific nature, none contradicting established scientific facts.

Dr. T.V.N. Persaud [1], professor of Anatomy, says: "You have an illiterate person (Prophet Muhammad) making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature...I personally can't see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements".

tto lcmslutheran from nermin

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 19:45.

If prophet mohamad as u claim ..how he succeeded in making Muslims who are 1.5 billions belonging to all races an d ethnics groups and living worldwide to be the only one who preserve the moral .
Ask yourself.
How he succeeded even after more than 1400 years of his death to make Muslims do not commit adultery, do not drink alcoholics , do not eat pork .
How he succeeded in making Muslims women wear veils and in the same time holding the stick from it s middle studying an d working and making a family…
No nuns ,no celibates in islam.
How this great prophet succeeded in making Muslims stands against all nations ,Us and Europe in making gayness legal .
How such man you accuse him of all what u say still has this influential and tremendous effects on his followers worldwide regardless of their color, languages or rank.
I know that you are all teased and wondering how this man has this effect.
Use your mind a little and u will know

How many?

Submitted by Bob Doney on Sun, 2006-02-12 19:49.

how he succeeded in making Muslims who are 1.5 billions

I thought it was 1.6 billions. That's what you said. What happened to the other 100 million? Is Islam now the fastest shrinking religion in the world? We should be told.

Bob Doney

to Mr Bob2

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 19:55.

dont play with words Mr Bob ..
i just forgot to say more than 1.5 billions.
and of course as u know islam is the fast growing religion in the world.
when you mentioned before peopel who convert to be athesist.
atheism is not a religion Mr Bob

From Bob2

Submitted by Bob Doney on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:09.

when you mentioned before peopel who convert to be athesist.
atheism is not a religion

I've never said "people who convert to be atheist". As it happens I don't see much wrong with the expression. People can convert to all sorts of things apart from religion. Like the metric system. Or decimal coinage. Or natural gas.

Bob

to new believer and patriot

Submitted by peace on Sun, 2006-02-12 19:03.

you peopel who claim to be civilized europens are only capable of just vulgar words when you find yourself without any logic at all and
we the muslims will never fall to your law standard level simply because we are muslims.

you are not able of any logic and decent discussion ...i feel pity for u.

In response to Emeda30

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 18:24.

!. I am female not a man
2. It is an Apache helicopter
(honestly if you are going fling
words about please at least try!)
3. I am not a Jew.
4. I am an Odinist!
5. I am not a nazi!
6. I am tired of listening to the
incessant whining. If you are
Palestinian you are not interested
in peaceful dialogue and coexistance
you are interested in jihad and
Shahada. ( How do I know this ..you
preach it constantly on Palestinian
television.
7. Lived there, so there is no way to
sell me the laundry list! ( already
know the agenda)
8. so you have a place for autonomy, now
you need to clean up your own
political parties rife corruption,
nepotism and malfisance.
9. You also perpetrated great atrocities
This was definitely not a one way
street.
10. Your fellow muslim countries, have
ensured that you stayed in refugee
camps because they did not want
you "loose" in their general
populations. Saddma Hussein may
have championed you, but
truthfully he did not want the
Palestinians roaming the streets of
Baghdad either.
11. The terrorists cells are not buying
you any PR dream relations either,
in fact many poeople loathe, hate or
are afraid. And these makes for
friendly relations, no they do not.
12. You believe only you are right,only
you are oppressed and only you are worthy of any consideration. So to hell with the rest of us.

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

The Palistinians have been treated like dogs

Submitted by Flemish American on Sun, 2006-02-12 22:06.

Biggest truth in this list is that Palistinians have ignored their real tormentors - the many Arabic countries that left them out to dry and only spoke in their favour when it served a political purpose.

The Palistinians have been treated like dogs not by Israel, but by their own Muslim "brothers".

Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;

the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;

and the wisdom to know the difference.

to this one who knows herself so well

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 18:47.

u think yourself smart enough to analyze all world events while you are dripping with hatrede and animosity an dcaary those barabric genes of your ancestors who erradicate native people of america with cold blood. and who also trapped the black from africa on salvary ships to serve them in the new land to make the roads and tough jobs for them while humilating them as they are black.
then u dare to talk about palastinians issue .of course as US and israel share the common attitude in erradicating nation with nation.

To Nermin new name makamnaya

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:23.

Nermin's new name is makamnaya ( means goes smelling like a skunk)

My tunkashila said once " Akita Mani Yo!"; in Souix that means "Observe Everything As You Walk!" something you muslims do not do!

"u think yourself smart enough to analyze all world events while you are dripping with hatrede and animosity an dcaary those barabric genes of your ancestors who erradicate native people of america with cold blood"

Damn! Nermin you are a dumb assed cow...At least three times before I have told you so I will tell you again! I am a native American you dumb assed twit! Lakotah Oglala Souix, my ancestors were at the Massacre at Little BigHorn, we were also at Wounded Knee.
And no I am not an AIM member either, my father called them "assholes in mocassins." Hoka hey stupid! Today is a good day to die! I told you I have not a drop of European blood in my body. But I am the sits beside woman of a Scandianvian male. Once again you peope do not listen. Oh but I am very much a Europhile. And even more so of Scandinavia, and one very much in particular. I was never a Christian dear Nermin, always followed the "old way" my tunkashila ( that is grandfather to you lamb breathe) ensured that. And the day Dad retired from the military he shocked the family he had been hiding his hair under a hairpiece for the last two years of his time in service. So he was a long haired warrior. hehehehe! Believe me I know a "forked tongue when I hear it" You have one. Stop assuming you know every damn thing cow. You know nothing. I hold no animosity towards any white men. Some people just move on, if I was as twisted as you muslims I would still be standing there frothing at the mouth, looking for scalps. Do not presume anything about native american, cow. It is an over 500 year struggle for many. I made my peace with the grandmothers, the grandfathers, and the creators a long time ago. That is why I love the Norse religion so much. It soo reminds me of the "old ones" my tunkashila taught me of. Besides Leif Erickson got there first, and made friends. Beat the hell out of Columbus's time. The Norsemen acted like us too! Good people!
Heya he Heya heya he Ina ma ate Lakotah, heyab ca heya heya hey. ( mean I am lakotah for my mother and father told me so..!)

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To Patriot

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:34.

She does have a paper arse Patriot! She is traveling HUA - head up arse!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

Terror is terror. resistance is resistance.

Submitted by DanishDynamite on Sun, 2006-02-12 17:28.

emeda30,

 

Do not confuse terrorism with resistance. You are not a resistance movement if you purposely target civilians. If you wanna know how resistance movements work, have a look at Europe during WWII.

A resistance movement will target strategic and tactical targets like military and government targets, industrial and infrastructure targets etc. While there may be civilian casualties, the aim is NOT the civilians.

 

Terrorists, like those in the palestinian territories, are not resistance or freedom fighters; They are simply terrorists. They directly target civilians, and that's not what resistance or freedom fighters do.

 

The problem with many of you muslims, is that you haven't the foggiest as to what certain words, phrases and ideals actually mean. The sooner you become "enlightened", the sooner you'll stop spouting ignorant BS.

here is one man from among you

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 18:42.

and here is one man from among you ,non muslim, non arab ..but he is a human who could feel the savage barbaric racistreality of israeli occupation inspite of all propganda and media controlled by the jews worlwide..

LONDON - U.K. Jewish leaders reacted with outrage to the latest comments of London mayor Ken Livingstone, and called him "a lackey of the Muslim agenda" in Great Britain and said he has "always had this extremist hatred of Jews and Israelis."
On Tuesday, Livingstone held a press conference in which he justified Palestinian terrorism against Israelis, saying, “The Palestinians don’t have jets and bombs, they only have their bodies to use as weapons."
really this man deserve the french wisdom which say Voila un homme....( here is a man )

Our Ken

Submitted by Bob Doney on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:25.

really this man deserve the french wisdom which say Voila un homme

All right, just this last time I'll reply to your Ken Livingstone eulogy. You do know he's an atheist? Yes, I'm sure you do. Voilà un homme athée!

Bob Doney

your ken

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:39.

did i say mr Bob that Mr Ken is a muslim or even a believer.what differance does it make to you or me if he is an athesist or christian.
he is non muslim like you and that is all.
anyway as you know what outrage the man faced from the jews to the extent that tehy warned britain that her chances will be low to host olympic ganes.but really , it was fine as they failed in their threats.

Nermin dear! Shut the hell

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 18:46.

Nermin dear! Shut the hell up! you always pick people who have what you consider the right opinion. He has a lot a muslims in his city and is trying to stem or stave off a riot! A speechwriter wrote that for him Nermin! You really are a stupid cow! he already know how you and your fellow islamicists act. He already know how peace loving you are!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

to DanishDynamite( do not mix things )

Submitted by peace on Sun, 2006-02-12 18:31.

and what about israeli ,whom did she kill ..she kill innocent civilian too. or the issue is that u have or not the most advanced weapons in the world.
also u mixe things up.
rsisitance in europe during world II or even resisitance in arabic countries against french or english occupation is something and israeli occupation to palastine is another isue....the israeli ocupation aim to evCUATE AND REPLACE NATION INSTEAD OF ANOTHE RNATION.. and do not deny that because palstien area will not be enough for all jews...also israel refuse the return of palastinans who live in exile so u cannot simply plat with words comparing two entirely different things...
togther.
sometimes palastinians succeedd in targeting military objects .have u ever heard them approve that....
give palstinians jets and tanks and i promise u that they will never attck civilians as israel do daily.

To Danish Dynamite! Long Live the Resistance

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 18:01.

I cannot believe they, the muslims, will ever become "enlightened" considering how they began.

Firstly Danish Dynamite, they are convinced that they are superior because Allah revealed his thoughts to an illiterate, itinerate camel - herder. ( If I hear one more time he was a great man I will scream. ) He may have become a great conquerer through jihad. But this is how he started off life. (Jesus was a carpentar. They need to get over some of this.) Next Mohammed was also a highwayman, he attacked and robbed caravans to begin his jihadic wars. He had to pay those men somehow in the beginning, before the loot added up to big dinars. He did marry a 9 year old girl. I am not even going to touch that. Flame will erupt from my fingers if I even start to go there, I will be so angry. He also married a woman 15 years his senior at 25, not necessarily because he loved her but because she could bankroll some of his operations. (I have nothing against a Demi Moore - Ashton Kutcher type relationship even 1427 years ago. But that man was not in love with her, she served a purpose.) One lovely story is told about how he used his dagger to cut his sleeve off so as not to disturb a cat who was sleeping on his arm at the time. How delightful! What a peace loving man. Just goes to show you, spin doctors have been employed for a very long, long time. He repeated what was told him about the word of god to those who could write, to spread the word. So Allah's words were not transmitted by lightening directly to a parchment scroll. They were written by a men who set down the words so that they should not be forgotten. He founded a religious dynasty that exploded that region of the world apart after he died, because they could not then and still cannot today accept the one he chose to take control of the dynasty. i.e. the Sunni & Shi'ia in Pakistan, people in a town that have lived as good neighbors for years just blew each other up this morning. They are still "discussing the right to sucession for the Prophet! And we even THINK they are ready to become normal, human beings partaking in a civilized discussion.

You are right they are NOT resistance movements. I firmly believe the people who tried to resist his advancing armies were the resistance. Acceptance was at the point of a curved sword, place at one's throat. It was a brave and truly somber man who refused islam, for in doing so he cut his own throat. No Danish Dynamite, they are not the brave, passionate men and women who fought in the resistance during the war.

One thing is for certain though. If those brave, passionate men and women who fought and died for the resisttance were here today, they would be on our side!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

To Emeda30

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 17:31.

Maybe he does not, but I do understand you very well and your Mohammmedism! It
still does not compute even with the
spin doctoring of facts. You and the Lady of Shalott make me laugh, do the two of you really believe that no one understands? Of course she is Turkish and still in DENIAL ( I do not refer to a river in Eygpt) with regard to the Armenians and Turkish history! (Muslims of course being overly enthralled with Christians.) One thing I have learned is that you will rewrite history quicker than any western I have ever seen if it suits yours purposes religiously, politically, economically,as well as philosophically. Reading is fundamental, and anyone who takes a bit of time will see that one thread holds true. You poeople honestly assume the rest of the world is so inately stupid as to believe whole hog that mountain of pusillanmonious claptrap you have been spilling!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save US!

How pathetic are we getting?

Submitted by lotty7 on Sun, 2006-02-12 16:30.

Those cartoons were...........oh cartons! how on earth can people get offended by such menial representations of their god???? i mean come on - everyone likes to respect other peoples religions - but if we can get over the fact that in the UK on 7/7 then they can get over some pictures - isnt everyone entitled to freedom of speech or does that only apply when abu hamza is telling his brainwashed followers to kill the west?? the only thing i have to say is look at the islamic calander - its about 3000 years behind our - therefore their thinking, knowledge and civilisation is also 3000 years behind us!

Your opinion is what the

Submitted by Patriot on Sun, 2006-02-12 16:31.

Your opinion is what the problem is, until you understand this simple fact there will never be a lasting peace.

Of Course!

Submitted by Gordonz on Sun, 2006-02-12 16:20.

I get it!

I'll just determine that this piece of land is "my land", and as soon as anybody disagrees...BANG!

Instant Islamic sanctioned terrorist!

You guys are great! Too bad about the caliph and all that... but you have that brain dead pig in Iran just waiting for the Mahdi! Go Shia! 

I already know Mohammed

Submitted by lcmslutheran on Sun, 2006-02-12 16:30.

I can see him through the actions that he engenders in his "true believers". I don't need to read what some spin doctor has written about him. He was a murderer, a political opportunist, a wife-abuser and a pedophile. What else do we need to know.
Long live the Queen!

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
--Ronald Reagan

to lcmslutheran

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 19:37.

My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."
Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33.

Postings by numbers

Submitted by Bob Doney on Sun, 2006-02-12 19:45.

Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY

As you keep posting the same stuff over and over and over again, to save us all time you could call this "Number 1", you could call the one about Ken Livingstone "Number 2", the one about the Prince of Monaco "Number 3", the one about 1.6 billion Muslims and counting "Number 4", and so on. Then just post the number in the subject box, so we don't waste time looking at the same tired old rubbish. Good idea?

Bob Doney

splendid idea Bob. You

Submitted by grumpy on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:09.

splendid idea Bob. You forget the one about the "influential converts". And the one about the medical staff in UK hospitals. I wonder whether she has them stored in a separate file. Keep up the good work sir. Glad to have you in our country.

to Mr Bob

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 19:51.

u call these things rubbish.
well this is your reaction to opposite opinions .how civilized.
i told u before that i will post them again an dagain whnever i find them appropraite answers to some ignorant people here.
but really i am sad as u abandoned your previous decent style .
you didnot reply to me too what do you say about your british soldiers today.
you say they are sent by force to fight there..if that is true .how can they be so horrible like this.
this is not the first time of course.
tehy look as if they suffer from sadism

From Bob1

Submitted by Bob Doney on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:12.

u call these things rubbish.
well this is your reaction to opposite opinions

It's just irritating. This site is so busy that pages don't load quickly. It's disappointing when what you're looking at turns out to be something you've seen 1.6 billion times before. (I exaggerate).

Bob Doney

emeda30, The goal here is to

Submitted by Patriot on Sun, 2006-02-12 16:03.

emeda30,
The goal here is to get everyone at the table drinking, smoking whatever, having a good time, you know "GETTIN' ALONG". For some strange reason (perhaps you can help me) the Americans are at the table, the Europeans are at the table, the Jews are at the table, but the arabs just can't find their way to the party.

To emeda30,

Submitted by mtk2006 on Sun, 2006-02-12 19:56.

"but when the enemy occupying my land , it is obligatory to resist it with what is possible and this is not terrorism it is resistance like: Iraeli occupation to palastine, because in this case no what is called civilans: but all Israeli are occupiers

did you get it sir ?"

With all due respect, I thought this discussion was about the cartoons, the reactions to them and freedom of speech.

Israel has nothing to do with this.

Respectfully,
mtk2

Well, if that's the way you

Submitted by Patriot on Sun, 2006-02-12 16:16.

Well, if that's the way you truly feel then you will suffer. In english you are what is commonly called a hard-headed son of a bitch.

Lost in translation

Submitted by Gorm on Sun, 2006-02-12 15:02.

Jasj is quite right. This translation error has caused quite a few problems for her.
Another translation to “modspil” could be to ‘stand up to’ radical Islam.

Gorm

Ups..

Submitted by JASJ on Sun, 2006-02-12 14:48.

I can see now that it in my last comment looks as though the book I mention is about Islam. It is not at all. It is a portrait-book about the Queen in which she is interviewed by a journalist.

JASJ

I'd like to see Mr. Bush and

Submitted by Patriot on Sun, 2006-02-12 15:30.

I'd like to see Mr. Bush and the iranian president in a one on one brawl. They could televise it worldwide except in the arab countries where it would undoubtedly be blacked out due to the American president knocking him out in the first round.

iranian president

Submitted by nermin on Sun, 2006-02-12 20:17.

the newly elected iranian president is a young man Mr so Bush can never beat him from first or tenth round.
aslo donot be so arrogant with yourself .the iranian football team defeated the american football team one day in world cup at days of clinton.

Nermin makamnaya

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 23:28.

Soccer is not a big deal to many american Nermin, however, they can take him out snipe hunting. Now snipe hunting shows the real test of a man!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!

The Danish Queen did not say....

Submitted by JASJ on Sun, 2006-02-12 14:36.

It is not true what you write about our Queens statesments about Islam.

The Telegraph refers to a comment she made in a book about radical Islam not Islam in general. Furthermore she did not say opposition as the Telegraph claims. She used the danish word "modspil" which in English should be translated as "challenge". And please rember that she was refering to radical Islam (totalitarian Islam).

Regards

JASJ

 

Gods Bless The Danish Royal Family and her Government!

Submitted by A New Believer on Sun, 2006-02-12 15:18.

I for one believe that the Danish Queen did not say this! A Queen is always maindful of her people and their welfare!

The Gods bless the Danish Royal Family!

The Gods bless the Representative Government of Danmark - Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen!

Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!