Creating a European Indigenous People’s Movement

From the desk of Fjordman on Sun, 2008-04-06 13:13

An American friend of mine has proposed that native Europeans should create a European Indigenous People's Movement. I have hesitated with supporting this because it sounded a bit too extreme. However, in more and more European cities, the native population is being pushed out of their own neighborhoods by immigrant gangs. The natives receive little or no aid from their authorities, sometimes blatant hostility, when faced with immigrant violence. In an age where the global population increases with billions of people in a few decades, it is entirely plausible, indeed likely, that the West could soon become demographically overwhelmed. Not few of our intellectuals seem to derive pleasure from this thought.

Bat Ye'or in her book about Eurabia has documented how the European Union is actively allowing Muslims to colonize European countries. The next time EU leaders complain about China's treatment of minorities, I suggest the Chinese answer the following: "Yes, we represent an anti-democratic organization dedicated to subduing the indigenous people of Tibet, but you represent an anti-democratic organization dedicated to displacing the indigenous peoples of an entire continent." There is no love lost between me and the Chinese Communist Party, an organization responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of its citizens, but even Chinese authorities do not actively seek to displace their own people with violent Muslims. European authorities do.

In decadent societies of the past, the authorities didn't open the gates to hostile nations and ban opposition to this as intolerance and barbarophobia. What we are dealing with in the modern West is not merely decadence; it's one of the greatest betrayals in history. Our so-called leaders pass laws banning the opposition to our dispossession as "racism and hate speech." To native Europeans, when listening to our media and our leaders, it's as if we don't even exist, as if it were normal for them to put the interests of other nations over their own. Despite having "democratic" governments, many Western countries have authorities that are more hostile to their own people than dictators in some developing countries. Why?

At the Daily Telegraph, Simon Heffer suggests that the mass immigration encouraged in particular by the Labour governments of Blair and Brown in Britain is not happening out of incompetence, but is part of "a doctrinally driven determination by the new Government in 1997 to destroy our national identity and to advance multiculturalism." I agree, but this policy of state-sponsored population replacement is far from limited to Britain.

Numbers discussed in 2008 showed clearly that mass immigration has had no positive effects on the economy in Britain, and I have seen similar calculations from France, Denmark and Norway, among others. On the contrary, it is a drain on the finances of the native population, and that's even if we don't count the wave of terrorism, insecurity and street violence which is sweeping Western Europe, from Sweden via Germany to the Netherlands. On top of this, the costs of destruction of national cohesion and weakened cultural legacies are incalculable, yet mass immigration continues as if nothing has happened. In April 2008, a report indicated that Spain needed over two million new foreign workers just until 2020, many of whom are likely to come from Muslim North Africa. The authors of the report would call upon the Spanish government to adopt a new law on immigration "to facilitate the legal entry, take advantage of the new arrivals and encourage integration."

I have earlier toyed with the idea of giving native Norwegians the legal status as indigenous people in Norway. A large proportion of my ancestors have lived here since the end of the last Ice Age, for as long as this country has been habitable for humans. The original settlers, who came from Central Europe (Germany and the Czech Republic), have been supplemented by other Europeans. Genetic traces from peoples of Near Eastern origins who spread agriculture to Europe are detectable, but until recently most Europeans were overwhelmingly the descendants of men and women who had lived in the region for tens of thousands of years.

Genetically speaking, native Europeans have thus lived longer on the same continent than have Native Americans. Many Southeast Asians are descendants of southern Chinese settlers who displaced or eradicated the original, dark-skinned inhabitants of the region in early historical times, just as many of the nations of sub-Saharan Africa are Bantu invaders who displaced or eradicated the indigenous Khoi-San peoples throughout much of Africa. Modern-day Japanese have lived in Japan for a shorter period of time than Europeans have lived in Europe. Yet a Scottish councillor, Sandy Aitchison, was chastised for using the term "indigenous" about native Brits. Why is it considered ridiculous or evil if Europeans assert our rights? Is it because we are white? Everybody's supposed to keep their culture, except people of European origins? Is that it? Why is colonialism bad, except when my country, which has no colonial history, gets colonized by Third World peoples?

Western Europeans have in recent years accepted more immigration in a shorter period of time than any society has ever done peacefully in human history. If we want a break we have the right to do so. What we are dealing with is not "immigration" but colonization, and in the case of Muslims, internationally organized attempts to conquer of our countries. If non-Europeans have the right to resist colonization then so do Europeans. Switzerland, Sweden, Finland and Norway hardly have any colonial history at all. The Germans had a colony in Namibia. Why should they accept millions of Turkish Muslims, who have a thousand years of brutal colonial history of their own, because of this? There are hardly any Britons in Pakistan today, so why should the Brits allow huge numbers of Pakistanis to settle in Britain? And if the Algerians can demand independence from France, why can't the French demand independence from Algerians?

I like cultural diversity and would hope this could be extended to include my culture, too. Or is Multiculturalism simply a hate ideology designed to unilaterally dismantle European culture and the peoples who created it? If people in Cameroon or Cambodia can keep their culture, why can't the peoples who produced Beethoven, Newton, Copernicus, Michelangelo and Louis Pasteur do the same? As Rabbi Aryeh Spero points out, European elites insist "on the primacy of indigenous cultures and religions when speaking of other faraway regions, yet find such insistence arrogant when it concerns the indigenous culture of its own lands."

Yes, a little immigration from compatible cultures can be absorbed, and can be beneficial on certain terms. But what we are dealing with now is not from compatible cultures, and it certainly isn't little. My nation runs a very real risk of being demographically wiped out during this century, as do the other Nordic countries. We will go from being among the most successful societies in human history to being eradicated in the space of a few generations if current levels of mass immigration continue. Do I have the right to worry about this, or is that "racist"?

The author Gore Vidal once stated: "Norway is large enough and empty enough to take in 40 to 50 million homeless Bengalis. If the Norwegians say that, all in all, they would rather not take them in, is this to be considered racism? I think not. It is simply self-preservation, the first law of species." Thomas Jefferson said that "The law of self-preservation is higher than written law," and he was right.

As I wrote two years ago: "By any standards possible, we're one of the most successful cultures in the world, our largest flaw, which could eventually bury us, probably being our naivety. So why on earth should we quietly watch while our country is subdued by the most unsuccessful cultures in the world? The most basic instinct of all living things, even down to bacteria level, is self-preservation. In 2006, you have a natural right to self-preservation if you are an amoeba, but not if you're a Scandinavian. Maybe the solution then is to argue that Scandinavians are indeed a species of amoebas, and that we need special protection by the WWF. We could showcase some of our finest specimen of Leftist intellectuals and journalists to prove our point. Shouldn't be too hard."

For simply suggesting that I would not enjoy being turned into a persecuted minority in my own country, I have been accused of being a "white nationalist," which says a great deal about how demonized people of European ancestry have become. What about Koreans or Japanese? If they were gradually being displaced by, say, Nigerians and Pakistanis and were harassed in their cities by people who moved there out of their own free will, would they be denounced as yellow nationalists if they objected to this? In fact, why do the terms yellow nationalist, brown nationalist and black nationalist hardly exist, whereas the term white nationalist does? Isn't that by itself an indication of a double standard?

I started out initially writing almost exclusively about Islam, and I still write predominantly about Islam. However, I have gradually realized that we are dealing with an entire regime of censorship that needs to be removed before we can deal with Islam. I will in any situation highlight and support the struggle of Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Baha'is, Jews, African Christians, Chinese Taoists etc. against Islamic Jihad, which is a global fight. I always have and I always will. The one thing I will not do is surrender my land, which is not mine to give. I do not see anybody else quietly accept being turned into a minority in the country where their ancestors have lived since the end of the last Ice Age, and I cannot see why I should have to do so, either. I don't care if white Westerners are "scared of being called a racist." I will not leave a ruined land behind to my descendants because I was afraid of being called bad names. If you think it is "racist" for Europeans to preserve their heritage and protect their children from abuse, then I'm not the bigot here. You are.

I hereby propose that native Europeans should create a European Indigenous People's Movement, on behalf of the traditional majority populations of Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark etc., inspired by the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. The European Indigenous People's Movement should support the right of Europe's indigenous peoples to preserve their self-determination, traditions, sovereignty and culture as majority peoples in their own lands.

The list of goals and objectives should include:

1.) The right to maintain our traditional majorities in our own lands, control our own sovereignty and our own self-determination. We do not wish harm or ill-feeling toward any other peoples on earth, but we assert the right to maintain our own majorities in our own lands without being accused of "racism." We reject current trends which preach that we have no right to oppose, control or lessen unlimited immigration from non-indigenous cultures.

2.) The right to teach our children our cultures, languages, historical interpretations, religious celebrations and traditions unimpeded. We reject educational trends which encourage our children to forget or despise their culture, traditions, religious practices and history in order to avoid offense to non-indigenous European residents or citizens.

3.) The right to maintain, cherish and practice our own indigenous religious holidays and celebrations. We reject out of hand current trends which preach that traditional indigenous European religious or cultural celebrations such as Christmas are somehow "racist" or "non-inclusive" and therefore must be "downgraded," "renamed" or otherwise de-emphasized or eliminated in order to avoid offending non-indigenous European residents or citizens. We reject current policies which establish that our indigenous cultures are somehow deficient and therefore are not complete until they are "enriched" by other, non-indigenous cultures.

4.) The right to maintain, cherish and display our own indigenous religious, national, ethnic and cultural symbols. We reject out of hand current trends or policies which preach that our national flags or ethnic symbols of centuries standing are somehow "racist" or "non-inclusive" in order to avoid offense to non-indigenous European residents or citizens.

5.)  The right to maintain, cherish, protect and display our own indigenous cultural expressions such as music, artwork and sculptures. We reject out of hand current trends or policies which preach that indigenous European cultural expressions such as statues of boars, folkloric tales about pigs or dogs, paintings with Christian or Classical pagan themes, war memorials with a Christian theme, etc., should be removed from public view, banned, destroyed, modified or otherwise threatened in order to avoid offense to non-indigenous European residents or citizens.

6.)  The right to maintain, cherish and protect indigenous burial sites, structures, buildings, churches, museums and other public works and structures from destruction, modification or other changes. We reject out of hand current trends or policies which establish that indigenous public works and structures must be changed or modified to avoid offense to non-indigenous European residents or citizens, or to "make way" for structures or public works that benefit non-European residents or citizens (i.e. digging up indigenous graves that are centuries old in order to "make room" for non-indigenous cemeteries, removing external Christian symbols and statues from churches, etc.)

Mr. Franco Frattini of the EU Commission, the unelected and unaccountable government for nearly half a billion people, has stated that Europeans should accept further tens of millions of immigrants within a generation. The British Foreign Minister Milliband stated late in 2007 that the EU should expand to include Muslim nations in North Africa and the Middle East. The French President Sarkozy and the German Chancellor Angela Merkel confirmed this early in 2008. This is part of an organized attempt to surrender Europe to Islamization that has been going on for decades. Since the European Union involves the free movement of people across borders, European leaders are opening the floodgates to tens of millions of Muslims and other non-indigenous peoples at a time when native Europeans fear for the survival of their civilization and feel like aliens in their own cities. Meanwhile, Ernst Uhrlau, the president of Germany's foreign intelligence agency, warned about the rising assertiveness of violent Jihadist organizations in North Africa.

Based on this evidence, the European Union can hardly be seen as anything other than a criminal organization dedicated to the demographic dispossession and cultural marginalization of the indigenous peoples of an entire continent. Consequently, the EU should be immediately and totally dissolved. Native Europeans should demand that we have an interim period with public de-Eurabification, where the lies propagated by pro-Islamic Multiculturalists should be removed from our history books, and a proper respect for European cultural traditions should be restored. Those officials on senior levels who have participated in the creation of Eurabia should stand trial for crimes against their civilization.

Jewish Involvement in Anti Free Speech Legislation

Submitted by Balder Org on Thu, 2008-06-19 12:33.

Balder said Fri, 2008-06-06: "I have come part of the way now, and I expect to post a link here within the next few weeks."

I am still only part of the way, but so far I have covered USA, Canada, Britain, France and Holland.

Here is the link to the page about Canada, at the bottom you'll find the links to the other countries mentioned.

More countries to come, and all articles will be updated whenever I get more information.

Jewish Involvement in Anti Free Speech Legislation and promotion of Immigration - Canada

I choose Canada, because the developments there are confirming exactly what I have been saying, but now Jews have become the victims of these laws too, and are saying; I blame the Jews (Ezra Levant) You'll find the links to these statements on that page too.

What a pity though, that when a nationalist Westerner says the same thing, he must be a 'Jew hater', and is judged a 'conspiracy theorist' even by some of his co-fighters.

Anti-semite? Yes!

Submitted by marcfrans on Fri, 2008-06-06 22:13.

Balder claims that he does not hate jews.  Yet, he blaims them for the actions of (overwhelming non-jewish) European parliaments and politicians, hiding behind the old 'canard' of "mighty lobbying groups".  In short, he is incapable of holding non-jewish Europeans reponsible for their own actions, but rather prefers the old 'continental' tradition of blaming the 'mighty jew'. 

There is little doubt about who is the "uncivilised" one here and who is incapable of "dealing with reality".  In fact it is a genuine tragedy that Balder's kind of anti-semitism is still alive and thriving in Europe today, in the 21st century!  And still there are people who think that the human race is 'progressing'.  How wrong they are!  

 

@ marcfrans Brutus # 2

Submitted by Balder Org on Fri, 2008-06-06 12:44.

Dear Mr. Marcfrans

I don't know much about the situation in Belgium yet, apart from the fact that the formerly considered 'anti-Semitic' Vlaams Belang deemed it necessary to ally itself with Jewish/Zionists forces, just like the BNP in Britain, the Danish People's Party in Denmark, the Sweden Democrats, and of course many of the new anti-immigration grass root movements in Germany. But I do know about a number of other countries.

I have not said either that the politicians involved necessarily are Jewish, but that there are mighty lobbying groups who have a lot of influence and use it, in order to get this legislation passed.

Anti-Semite?

Why on earth would I burden myself with making more enemies by calling attention to Jewish influence, already faced with the giant muslim / globalization / multicult problem?

For no reason but some idiotic hatred of Jews?

It is just not logical. My website has been dealing with immigration and muslims since I started it six years ago in 2002. Only since 2006 I have begun addressing the Jewish issue.

Please try to be civilized Mr. marcfrans!

I don’t hate Jews, and I don’t even hate muslims (unlike a lot of people). I just deal with reality, frankly, unafraid, and unabashed.

A hint: Look at how many people are in prison or being persecuted and prosecuted for offending Jewish sensibilities. How many people in Western countries are in jail or otherwise convicted for offending muslims, and how many are in jail or otherwise convicted for offending Jews?

Thanks for your inspiring comment anyway; allegations of anti-Semitism tend to make me furious, but at least it helped me to mobilize some energy and finally start combining the information on the subject which is spread out in various posts on my site in different languages, into one English language compilation.

I had hoped to have finished with this task sooner, which is why I so far have not replied to your comment, 'scuse the delay, but the endevour is rather more time consuming than I thought to begin with.

I have come part of the way now, and I expect to post a link here within the next few weeks.

Brutus # 2

Submitted by marcfrans on Fri, 2008-05-30 22:35.

@ Balder

Indeed, you write "a lot about jews" and, after brief examination of your writings, I am astounded that your kind of blatant anti-semitism still exists among 'native' Europeans today to any significant extent. 

You claim that muslims at least "do not yet write our laws" and "do not have that kind of influence".  But you seem to think that "jews" do that.  What is that opinion based on?  Factual knowledge or old "conspiracy theories"?

Whose laws are we talking about?  Let's narrow it down a bit, so as to get more 'real' and less 'conspiratorial'.  So, let's talk about Belgium specifically.  The Belgian parliament over the past decade has passed several unconstitutional laws that are being abused to undermine political free speech and to ban real opposition parties.  Now, how many jews are in that parliament?  Is there 1 jew, or are there 2 or 3, or perhaps 0? I do know that there are a number of muslims in that parliament, and even in the 'executive' or federal Cabinet. And all the rest in parliament, are they supposed to be robots of the "jews"?  Let me tell you, Belgian legislation 'originates' in the headquarters of the 3 major 'traditional' parties, and there are no 'jews' to be found there.  And some of these parties actively promote muslim immigration for leftist votes.

Next question.  Which are the major 'social' organisations in Belgium, who carry a lot of political weight and thus presumably are the major forces behind legislative proposals in Belgium?  You could start with the 2 major trade union 'pillars' (socialist and christian-democrat), and you could go down the list....but no jew-lovers to be found there! 

So, I submit to you that you are living in the past, and are therefore unable to fight the 'wars' of the present.  In fact, in terms of poor powers of empirical observation and of prejudicial thinking, you seem to have a lot in common with many of your new fellow-citizens, the muslim immigrants. 

And, if you want to blame anybody for the absurd "conviction" of David Irving in Austria, you should put the blame squarely where it belongs, i.e. the Austrian legislature and judiciary.  And, no, there are virtually no jews to be found there either.  Almost all of them got killed off by the parents and grandparents of the current generation of Austrian legislators and judges.  

Thou too, Brutus?

Submitted by Balder Org on Fri, 2008-05-30 20:09.

"Your website writes a lot about Jews."

No, I do. I started writing about Jews, after David Irving was convicted in Austria (feb 21, 2006), and you can forget all about 'my buddies'. I am not anonymous, if you care to know, you can find my name, address, and phone number in two minutes using Google.

Is it wrong to write about Jews?

Is it not more important what one writes about Jews?

Fjordman: "And I do mean a lot. I'm sick and tired of the Jew fetishism some people seem to have, who are incapable of writing about any issue whatsoever without involving "Jewish conspiracies."

Now who really brought the focus on Jews in this discussion?

Did I mention Jews in my post?

You did...

Well, perhaps you should not only 'look at the website' but also see what these articles are about.

The content you know.

And if you are critical about that content, contest its validity; or disagree with my opinions; be my guest, but don't accuse me of 'involving Jewish conspiracies'. The main part of it is translations from the mainstream press anyway, often from Jewish newspapers.

I don't write about 'Jewish conspiracies', I write about Jewish organizations and individuals, who are the driving force behind most anti free speech laws, pro-multicult and 'human rights organizations', anti-Christian propaganda and so on.

It's all documented.

So you think what I write about are 'conspiracies', and I suffer from 'Jew fetishism'?

Jewish organizations interests and individuals are behind most of the legislation which is suffocating the western world.

Go ask Esra Levant from Canada. Jeg giver Jøderne skylden

Muslims are a big problem, they can protest, threaten, kill and bomb, but they do not yet write our laws, they do not yet have that kind of political influence. Jewish organizations are deeply involved in that business, and they do have that influence.

You don't want to be involved in that particular aspect of the fight? I understand perfectly and I don't blame you. Many people feel like that.

But don't call me names, or accuse me of conspiracy thinking, without addressing specifics.

I write a lot about Jews, and muslims, and immigration, and the destruction of our culture, and everything else which has anything to do with that.

I write much about Jews, because most main stream no-nazi anti-immigrationalists and the mainstream media do not dare to get near the subject.

Somebody's got to fill that gap. It's part of reality.

Yes, Bat Ye'or and many other Jews have done us all a great favor.

Does that mean we now have to keep silent about the actions of other Jews, and especially the influence they exert through their incredebly many very effective and influential organizations, which are not so favorable?

The most important issues are often those which are most taboo

Submitted by Balder Org on Thu, 2008-05-29 22:41.

Very good post by Fjordman. We need to re-think.

My main concern originally was muslim immigration.

I realized soon that that was not the whole story, a realization which came about helped much by signals from the pro-immigration establishment, which kept raving on about 'racism' although 'race' was not at all a concern for the by far largest part of the anti-immigration movement.

Since then I have been warning against 'taking the easiest way out' when discussing immigration.

It seemed so logical as a response to the usual allegations about racism without giving it any further thought, that apart from cultural destruction, we also face genetical annihilation; being usurped in the far larger black and asian fast procreating masses, not only culturally, but physically as well.

The only thing left as a monument for the legacy of the West would be our technological achievements, which together with fair haired and blue eyed poster girls, seems to be the only part of our culture almost universally valued.

I also belief that the strategy of constantly talking about 'racism' in connection with anti-immigration movements is being used consciously.

The allegation of racism is a bit like asking: 'Have you stopped beating your wife'.

The recipient is forced to deny the allegation, because 'racism' truly was not the motivating factor.

Thereby the 'multiculturalists' / globalists have enforced the dogma that our genetical heritage is of no concern at all. Biology is taken out of the equation completely, even though it absolutely is the main force in nature and evolution, and governs every aspect of our world.

The wisdom of millions of years of evolution is discarded without any discussion, and replaced with the theories and dogmas from Marxism and the Frankfurt School.

More recognition of the relevance of talking openly about our genetical interests, would be helpful, also because probably more people than one might have guessed, will be able to relate to a matter which is so much part of their identity, that it in fact is easier to comprehend, than the more abstract discussion about culture and religion, which dominates the debate so far.

We can learn a lot from what our adversaries are doing.

It is not a coincidence, that they are constantly talking about race.

There plans are more evil and well thought through than we thought; there strategy seems to be a planned destruction of 'the white race'.

The physical destruction of our racial integrity is not a side effect of 'humanism', but is the prime motivating factor.

This core purpose is part of the ideological background of the European Union, and woven effectively into its strategies.

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And the practical part: If importing more muslims proves to raise to much opposition, they'll find another category of people with which to flood our countries; just look here:

Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats on Wednesday said they would like to see Germany take on thousands of refugees from Iraq. In particular, she said, the CDU wants to extend its welcoming hand to Iraqis who have suffered religious persecution in Iraq. In particular, that means the Christians.

Der Spiegel May 28 2008

Jew fetishism

Submitted by Fjordman Blogger on Fri, 2008-05-30 01:57.

Balder: Europeans have the same right as everybody else to protect our heritage and preserve our countries. The mass immigration we are subject to now is morally wrong.

I had a look at the link you provided. Your website writes a lot about Jews. And I do mean a lot. I'm sick and tired of the Jew fetishism some people seem to have, who are incapable of writing about any issue whatsoever without involving "Jewish conspiracies." The plans for the creation of Eurabia, which are unfortunately very real, not a conspiracy theory, have been exposed by a Jew, Bat Ye'or, who has done this continent a great service by doing so. You and your buddies should think about that for a while.

EU is not alternative to Serbia, obviously

Submitted by Marko Bo?i? on Tue, 2008-04-08 00:04.

While reading this article, several times did unfortunate existence of Serb pro-EU political elite came to my mind. For them, EU has no alternative. For me, Serbia is only alternative to Serbia.
We have enough troubles with preservation of our soil even without EU-immigration laws. We have enough Muslims without EU-immigration laws. I would give up of alleged economic standard that EU brings, in order to see Serbia's head up, again.

My oppinion is that this organization is excelent idea. Unfortunately, not only Serbs are second-grade citizens in Serbia when looked at Muslims or Gypsies [for example, Muslims can bring a banner on football match saying "islam will rule the world", and Serbs are not allowed to bring Serbian flag during the same match], but we are second-grade to very Europeans we are 'indigenous' with. That is, as we all know, called multi-etnic society.

Islam

Submitted by Hal K on Tue, 2008-04-08 00:00.

I am glad Fjordman has put the threat from Islam in particular in its proper perspective.  Right now, Islam is not the enemy, nor are Third World immigrants in general.  It is the people responsible for our immigration policies who are the problem.

 

Poles apart

Submitted by Atlanticist911 on Mon, 2008-04-07 19:30.

I know several hardworking, garrulous and cantankerous British-based Poles. Personally, I wouldn't dream of attempting to get rid of them. They are the salt of the earth.

@ Atlanticist911

Submitted by traveller on Mon, 2008-04-07 21:13.

I see through you, you speak about the Polish men but you think about those beautiful blond women.

@Misterjos

Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Mon, 2008-04-07 13:51.

Poland, Estonia, Luxembourg (African pimps and prostitutes on the streets at night), Liechtenstein...

Before somebody even think

Submitted by Monarchist on Mon, 2008-04-07 17:30.

Before somebody even think about emigration to Poland, he should be assured that he have enough brain to not question local culture and customs. I don't want here any euro-leftists tired with Muslims. I have met few Brits living here whom complain only .

i dont want to be involved

Submitted by Misterjos on Mon, 2008-04-07 19:22.

i dont want to be involved in a name calling game, i said that i'm a libertarian, not left, not right not anything else, just libertarian. Although there are many descriptions and definitions made, i think you'll get an idea if you do a quick google-search. I also want to address that i'm not tired with the muslims in the sense you mean, i think they're great if they live in a muslim-country (although they seem unable to agree even with fellow muslims). I'm above all tired with our political leaders, those that should guard and protect us, but those that we trust to govern our country have betrayed us in every aspect, i cannot say it better than that i'm really disgusted by it. The principal cause of the problem we see here with muslims (but also immigrants like east europeans that are clogging our prisons, no offence, west-european countries sent their criminals to america some decades ago) is not really due to these immigrants themselves (although they could behave more decently), but i hold our politicians responsible for the current (and worsening) situation. They let the multicultural trojan horse in, we better get adapted to it.
Anyway Monarchist, you don't have to worry about me emigrating to "your" country if that makes you feel more comfortable. Ever wondered how many criminal poles other countries like to welcome in "their" country?
After all, we're all emigrants and immigrants, population allocation has happened all the time in history, its not something new, (other than the scale with which it is happening now), as are the struggles that multicultural societies bring forth. In the end, i (and i think most of us) don't care about nationalities (its even advantageous to mix in new genes into a population to produce better and stronger offspring). Religion tends to be a thing where we should be more conscious about.

@Misterjos

Submitted by Monarchist on Mon, 2008-04-07 19:49.

What name calling? This post was not about you, just a general note. Beside of that some libertarians could possibly support homosexual agenda, demand abortion, fight for human rights in Poland and this is unacceptable. I have write before, get rid of Polish who cause problems, just don't complain here because you wont find any mercy in my eyes.

@Atlantist911
You would like to get rid of them? What is the problem? Democracy? :)

@ Monarchist

Submitted by traveller on Mon, 2008-04-07 18:03.

I have met more complaining Polish than complaining British in Poland.
The Polish workers coming to Western Europe and particularly Great Britaain to find work, don't complain as much as Poles in Poland.

Story from belgium: already

Submitted by Misterjos on Mon, 2008-04-07 13:17.

Story from belgium: already from the beginning of the mass immigration of muslims into belgium i opposed it although everyone else thought it was nice and screamed that i was just a f*ck*ng racist and hatemonger (and to facilitate the immigration process, remember our precious "fast-belgian-law). When you look at former multicultural countries, you'll notice that the only possibility to live in peace with other cultures is to have a separate country or to intermingle by marrying local people (muslims want a "pure" woman from an islamic country). There are not many examples of peaceful multicultural societies in history, most of these end in ethnic cleansing when things go bad (economically). I'm quite sure that a similar scenario awaits us in the future. Oil prices are going up and will go up for ever (http://www.theoildrum.com/) and since almost the whole economy is based on cheap energy we will see a crisis in our lifetime. As long as the immigrants (predominantly agressive moslims here) have their food and occasionally fuck (some girls seem to think that a multicultural relationship is "cool" but they get always beaten in the end) the problem will not be catastrophic, only very annoying, but once they cannot afford food anymore, we're in for some real troubles.
I actually want to emigrate myself (because i'm really disgusted by our political leaders, be it the belgian government or the european union), but i have no idea where is a good place to start a life as a libertarian. Suggestions are welcome :).

Being more objective..

Submitted by Horacio on Mon, 2008-04-07 02:38.

An interesting article, that follows in the path of discussions that I've been having in the past months with friends and other people at home and other places. Coincidentially, I also used the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (which, by the way, it has no legal binding).

As a comment to the article, where the author writes:

"In decadent societies of the past, the authorities didn't open the gates to hostile nations and ban opposition to this as intolerance and barbarophobia. What we are dealing with in the modern West is not merely decadence; it's one of the greatest betrayals in history."

This actually has to be a guess. History is repeating itself. In Old Europe, in its decadence the Roman administration started to employ foreign labour for its legions. These were peoples of the Big Migrations (a.k.a. Volkerwanderungen).

The next big "betrayal" was the "import" of mass foreign labour, by a corrupted administration, when the Goths -who had previously sacked Byzantium- were allowed and helped to cross the Danube. They would be used as auxiliary troops. Later they would sack Rome.

These events further weakened Europe, and eventually a breach on the borders at the crossing point known as limes Germanicus, gave the final blow when the Rhine frozen and the so-called barbarians swamped the old West. Europe would never be the same again, and you are right to speak in terms of "the modern West".

Another detail that I've noticed is where Fjordman writes:

Why is colonialism bad, except when my country, which has no colonial history, gets colonized by Third World peoples?

I suppose that this leaves others in a weaker moral position to protest against the ongoing invasion.

If it was not because Norway colonized Iceland first and then Greenland, and both were under the rule of Norway before passing to be under the rule of Denmark.

But these are just minor details, in the light of the proposal. Which is in my opinion a fair one. Perhaps the one major detail here would be if such an initiative were in some way or another linked with White Americans because, if it is true that any colonial past cannot justify the right of indigenous peoples to fight against their ethnic anihilation, any link to so-called white nationalism or any other kind of American racial supremacist construct, in a land to which they are not indigenous, defeats the intended purpose of it as inconsequent.

It is not the Left or the Liberals who link anyone who claims for preservation, to white nationalism. It is American white nationalists who actually link themselves to ethnic (indigenous) preservation in Europe tainting it with agendas of racial supremacism. And some like the BNP in Britain have provided an all convenient bridge to this.

@atheling Part Deux

Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Mon, 2008-04-07 01:14.

atheling: Then you've got an uphill battle in which you'll be marginalized and demonized like the BNP.

 

So did the Poles when they refused to cede G'dansk.

 

Revising conceptions of Europe and European in order to include and appease foreigners is at the core of the problems with multiculturalism and political correctness. A European Indigenous People's Movement would be a socio-political movement for just that: European indigenous peoples. If this movement decided to include, repatriate/expel, segregate or war upon one or more non-indigenous groups in or outside of Europe but not all, it could elect to do so. However, the definition of an indigenous European would remain inviolate.

@KA

Submitted by atheling on Tue, 2008-04-08 19:47.

I think this movement should have a dual prong focus:

1. Stop all Muslim immigration and deport Muslims living in the EU.

2. Promote European families. Yes, have babies! That would involve going back to some more old fashioned concepts like personal sacrifice over hedonism, sanctity of life, and hope for the future of Europe that transcends the personal.

Does the EU give any financial reward or incentives for Europeans to have larger families?

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

Sami and culture

Submitted by Esther on Wed, 2008-04-09 10:39.

Hi Fjordman,

In the past post your wrote on your blog, regarding Sami rights, that people should be treated as individuals, rather than groups. Do you still think so?

Islam In Europe

 

Racist! White supremacist! Crypto-fascist!

Submitted by ovalteen on Sun, 2008-04-06 23:16.

"Those officials on senior levels who have participated in the creation of Eurabia should stand trial for crimes against their civilization."

Agreed. But I don't believe Eurabia is their true aim. Muslim immigration could just as easily have been Mexican, as it is in the US. The point is to introduce huge numbers of hostile outsiders, diluting the indigenous population and providing an excuse for the destruction of its history and traditions through multi-culturalism. Mass immigration, whether by Muslims or Mexicans, is intended to smash white Christian society for re-shaping on Marxist lines. The anti-white campaign both here and in the US has been based on the lie that whites must not defend their own interests because of the Holocaust, which proves we are inherently racist and xenophobic, ever ready to commit mass murder of "The Other". Therefore power must be taken away from us permanently in all our homelands and given to a Marxist elite of traitorous whites, non-white anti-racists, feminists, homosexuals, etc. Eurabia is not the intended destination: the EU-SSR is.

@atheling

Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Sun, 2008-04-06 19:12.

atheling: I was visiting a friend who owns a home in a very upscale neighborhood (think...Paul Allen)...

 

Paul Allen has a spectacular view of the park, and his apartment is more expensive than Patrick Bateman's in the American Gardens. Is he back from London - I thought someone saw him there on business?

 

atheling: Now, would this movement include only indigenous Europeans, or any European who adheres to and believes in European culture?

 

Now that's a silly question. There is no "any" European. Only indigenous Europeans are European. Therefore your question really is: "can non-Whites who consider themselves culturally European be included in this movement?"

 

'Fraid not love.

 

Non-European Whites, those from Canada, the United States, Australasia, South Africa, etc., are a different matter entirely and should be subject to the usual immigration/citizenship policies.

@KA again

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 19:22.

"There is no "any" European. Only indigenous Europeans are European."

Then you've got an uphill battle in which you'll be marginalized and demonized like the BNP.

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

@KA

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 19:18.

I never saw Mr. Allen - he and I hardly travel in the same circles, lol. I just happen to be visiting a friend who happens to have had the smarts to buy up some property before Microsoft burst onto the scene.

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

re: Fjordman's Proposal

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 18:53.

Now, would this movement include only indigenous Europeans, or any European who adheres to and believes in European culture?

If not, be prepared for BNP-like treatment.

 

 

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

@Armor... again

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 18:41.

I was visiting a friend who owns a home in a very upscale neighborhood (think Bill Gates and Paul Allen) where there is little crime, and it's mainly white.  You'll be edified to know that in the Catholic parish there, I attended Mass where I saw:

1.  A  young white couple in front of me, with 4 small children, and mom obviously pregnant with a 5th child.

2.  Behind me, a white family with 6 children, ranging from about 10 yrs old to about 6 months old.

3.  A few pews in front of me, a white family with EIGHT children, (a set of twins included).

4.  To my right across the aisle, another white family with 4 small children.

5.  To my right, behind me, a white family with 5 children.

I hope that makes your day.

 

 

 

 

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

@Taurus

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 18:27.

Why don't you start by buying American made guns?

 

 

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

European Indigenous People

Submitted by Armor on Sun, 2008-04-06 18:00.

" I have been accused of being a "white nationalist," which says a great deal about how demonized people of European ancestry have become."

Is it not mainly white activists who describe themselves as "white nationalists", meaning they have at heart the interests of their own people?

"Consequently, the EU should be immediately and totally dissolved."

And while you are at it, don't forget to dissolve every Western government that implements a mass immigration policy. (= most of them).

@Taurus689

Submitted by American Conservative on Sun, 2008-04-06 17:31.

We need to control and -for a period of time- to stop immigration. We need to close both borders and deport those who already sneaked in.
We need to stop being politically correct, sensitive and cowards. Or we're going to end up like Europe.

@Fjordman

Submitted by American Conservative on Sun, 2008-04-06 17:26.

I didn't read the word "Deportation" in your piece.

Even if you end up with a "European Indigenous Movement," how can you overcome the number of Muslims who will exceed the Indigenous who -in turn- will be a minority?

Probably, at that time, the Muslims will claim your land after taking over your culture, because it would be something natural to do when you're a majority, don't you think?

It's fine to say or feel Patriotic, but goddammit, let's DO something about it.

Euro-American Movement

Submitted by Taurus689 on Sun, 2008-04-06 16:40.

We need to do the same thing in the USA. We are being marginalized and victimized at an every increasing rate in our homes, on the streets and in our schools.