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From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Sat, 2008-04-05 20:47

A quote from The Daily Mail, 5 April 2008

[O]ne motorist offered what must be a unique reason why he should keep his licence. Mohammed Anwar said a ban would make it difficult to commute between his two wives and fulfil his matrimonial duties. His lawyer told a Scottish court the Muslim restaurant owner has one wife in Motherwell and another in Glasgow – he is allowed up to four under his religion – and sleeps with them on alternate nights.

Airdrie Sheriff Court had heard that Anwar was caught driving at 64mph in a 30mph zone in Glasgow, fast enough to qualify for instant disqualification. Anwar admitted the offence, but Sheriff John C. Morris accepted his plea not to be banned and allowed him to keep his licence. […]

Lorna Jackson, from the road safety charity Brake, called the decision “astonishing”. She said: “Regardless of the number of wives or businesses this man drives to, he broke a law which is there to protect everyone. […]”

John 15: 1-6

Submitted by atheling on Tue, 2008-04-08 20:15.

"I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine grower.  He takes away every branch in me that does not bear fruit, and everyone that does he prunes so that it bears more fruit.  You are already pruned because of the word I spoke to you.  Remain in me, as I remain in you.  Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own unless it remains on the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me. 

I am the vine, you are the branches.  Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing.  Anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into the fire and they will be burned."

 

 

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

Armor: HEAD IN THE SAND

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 22:31.

You actually think it's worse in America with the immigration issue?  You've got to be kidding.  At least we can talk about it over here.  You people can't even bring it up!  You've got laws which prohibit and prosecute people for daring to even criticize Muslims, as this site consistently reports!

You know what your problem is, Froggy?  You can't bear the thought that you are going down.  Your culture is down the tubes.  Your cathedrals are empty and will become mosques.  However, typical of most cowardly frogs, you've got your head in the sand (or up your butt) because you won't accept the responsibility for the destruction of your culture.  Instead, you blame immigration, Hispanics, Muslims, etc.., but NEVER YOURSELF. 

Never once have you made any comment blaming the French government for your situation.  Never once have you accepted any responsibility for the demise of your culture because you have abandoned the faith which contributed to the glory of European civilization. Not once. 

Like the dodo bird, you will become extinct, and because you don't believe in a God, but choose Darwin over Him, then it will be a Darwinian justice that you and your people disappear.  After all, it's survival of the fittest, isn't it?

 

 

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

Let us remember the dodo lesson

Submitted by Armor on Mon, 2008-04-07 01:25.

Here is a friendly bird that became extinct
because he was too trustful of foreign invaders.
He probably believed in cultural assimilation.
Let that be a lesson to all of us.

For Atheling: fittest of the survival..

Submitted by Sagunto on Sun, 2008-04-06 23:34.

"..Like the dodo bird, you will become extinct, and because you don't believe in a God, but choose Darwin over Him, then it will be a Darwinian justice that you and your people disappear. After all, it's survival of the fittest, isn't it? .."

Right..
Well, you might be interested in this url:

Vatican admits Darwin correct

..Or perhaps in the defence of Darwinism by Pope John Paul II in 1996, or the favourable comments on the subject in 1950's encyclical by Pius XII?
I might be mistaken (hope I am) but to me, in the quote above, you sound just like some backward Christian fundamentalist. Is that what catholicism in the US is coming to? I hope you don't enjoy launching doomsday-statements like these, but if you do, I'd like to ask you to maybe think twice before venting your religious spleen.

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sagunto

Re: Irony and History

Submitted by atheling on Tue, 2008-04-08 20:01.

To the denizens of what used to be called "Christendom":

I find it amusing that Sagunto calls me a "backward Christian fundamentalist", and someone else calls me a "liberal". Which is it, folks?

Anyway, for those of you who don't know your Bible, if you study the Old Testament, you might have noticed a pattern. Every time the Hebrews turned away from the God of Abraham and Moses, they went into captivity. You see, God made a bargain with His people: remain faithful to Him and He will protect them. Turn away, and they will become slaves to another power (be it Babylonians, Romans, etc...).

Well, guess what? That's what is happening to Christendom. When Europe was the heart of Christianity, Europeans were the most powerful and influential people on the planet. They were fruitful and multiplied, as God commanded. They produced the most magnificent art and culture unparalleled by any other civilization. Indeed, they had the power to also dominate the globe.

But what has happened in the past 200 years? Europe embraced atheism and secularism. And now, the fruits of those rotten trees are being harvested: dwindling numbers, increase in Islamic domination, and the government itself a tyrant over the people.

Yup, Sagunto, if that makes me a "backward Christian fundamentalist", you go ahead and label me so. It doesn't change the truth of what is going on in Europe.

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

@atheling: Nothing really matters..

Submitted by Sagunto on Tue, 2008-04-08 22:36.

#irony and history
So no mention of Darwin in your reply or the support for Darwinism by the Roman Church?

Well, then there's no genuine debate. If you don't want to adress my specific point and digress on a grandiose glorification of things past, that's all up to you. To be absolutely clear: when you choose to play off Darwin against Christianity, you're not only mistaken from a Catholic point of view, but you indeed sound like, well.. something backward, christian fundo or not, doesn't really matter.

Your wider point is well taken. Not sure though, what to think about the all too obvious way you're arguing beside my specific remark about the Vatican defending Darwin. Oh well, in the end, all that really matters is the common will to oppose islamization.
I'd even stand side by side with any backward christian fundo - or anyone who merely sounds like one - when it comes to defending our basic rights and freedom.

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag.

@Sagunto

Submitted by atheling on Wed, 2008-04-09 00:24.

It is the Left and most atheists who believe that it's Darwin v. Christianity, not me. That's why I call it ironic. Don't you get it?

Secondly, I'd rather be a "backward fundamentalist Christian" than a hedonistic narcissistic nihilist atheist anyday. Look where it got you.

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

@atheling: in defense of Darwin..

Submitted by Sagunto on Wed, 2008-04-09 14:19.

"..It is the Left and most atheists who believe that it's Darwin v. Christianity, not me. That's why I call it ironic. Don't you get it?.."

Nothing much not to get. I do see that you conflate sarcasm and irony. Perhaps they mean something slightly different in the States, like liberalism.

Again, you don't seem willing to address my earlier point, so let me try just one more time with a simple straightforward Q:
- You say that it's not you positing Darwin vs. Christianity, so what's your own personal take then on the Vatican's defense of Darwinism?

Sag.

@Sagunto

Submitted by atheling on Wed, 2008-04-09 16:21.

I have no issue with it. As GK Chesterton noted, Catholicism, (which means "universal"), is more inclusive. It appears that it is the nihilists and atheists who are the exclusivists, since they don't want to permit the idea that a God created the world in the classroom. Rather narrow, isn't it? Your strawman is simply that: a strawman.

BTW, if there were no God, there would be no atheists.

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

@atheling: of strawmice and men..

Submitted by Sagunto on Wed, 2008-04-09 23:27.

No strawman atheling, I just asked you a question. Now I've got your answer.
Thnx for that.

Always nice to see Chesterton - one of my all time favorites - pass by ;-)

I've got the impression that you scorn most atheists for exactly the same reason I usually do: their exclusivism and may I add to that, their sometimes zealotic fanaticism, sort of an anti-religion. There are however some "non-believers" who recognize the great importance of the Roman Catholic Church. Oriana Fallaci immediately springs to mind.

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag.

dodo

Submitted by Armor on Tue, 2008-04-08 22:48.

Sagunto: " but you indeed sound like, well.. something backward "

like a dodo bird !

@Armor

Submitted by atheling on Wed, 2008-04-09 00:25.

I'm not part of the group that's going extinct, Mr. Dodo.

By the way, what are you doing for Europe, Mr. Empty Suit of Armor? Supporting abortion? Supporting socialism? Taking handouts from the government, pray tell?

You once said you didn't care what happens on your own soil, so long as it's done by and against the immigrants (btw, isn't your President the son of immigrants?) you hate so well. Yet, you never contribute ONE single solitary idea to bring about change to the problem. Nope, all you do is sit in your chair and blame everyone else, and ensure that all other problems (in the US) are magnified to make yourself feel better.

What are you hoping for? Some deux ex machina? Ooops, can't hope for that, there is no god, right?

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

@Sagunto

Submitted by atheling on Tue, 2008-04-08 19:50.

I was being sarcastic. Don't you see any irony?

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

BTW, Armor

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 20:07.

Don't you have any comment on the large white families I saw at Mass?  Aren't you happy about that?

 

 

 

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

Re: BTW, Armor

Submitted by Armor on Sun, 2008-04-06 21:08.

" Don't you have any comment on the large white families I saw at Mass? "

Maybe religious people have larger families. If you are interested in the evolution of the white birth rate, it is not enough to observe your own particular community, you should look for official statistics at the national level. I'd rather not do it myself, as it is too depressing. I don't know the figures for Europe.

" By the way, none of the Hispanics in our neighborhood engage in carbeques, like your Muslim friends do."

On the other hand, my muslim friends drink less tequila and don't indulge in so much drunk driving. So fewer people get killed in the end.

Armor's contest

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 21:58.

You really are grasping at straws, aren't you? I noticed that every time the Muslim problem is brought up, you have to bring up Mexicans because you can't stand the idea that your ship is sinking.

You're the type of person who would love to bring as many people with you when you drown.

Typical Frog.

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

United Nations

Submitted by Raymond on Sun, 2008-04-06 13:04.

 Check out the page http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Pages/WelcomePage.aspx

 

Arbour condemns Wilders' film and calls for appropriate legal responses

Statement by the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights on the internet film 'Fitna'.

 

 

and an image with the text

 

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression."

 

except for the wrong opinions, like those of Geert Wilders.

 

 

 

-- Raymond

"Guilt" is the game of the left

Submitted by onecent on Sun, 2008-04-06 03:42.

American Conservative - "guilt" belongs to lefties gaming the rest of us.  I feel guilty for nothing that I didn't personally participate in.  I did not personally own slaves, nor kill millions as the Communists did, participate in the Holocaust, nor act as a jihadi gutblower killing innocents, etc.  I didn't kill western culture, Christianity and all that was good about it, or the nuclear family. The nihilistic narcissists on the fascist left have accomplished those things in history.

onecent

Submitted by American Conservative on Sun, 2008-04-06 09:39.

You -as an individual- might not feel guilty but I was talking collectively, in general. I think we should emphasize on two main reasons why Europe is surrendering to Islam:

1 - Hate of Christianity.

2 - Absence of Nationalism-Patriotism.

@American Conservative

Submitted by onecent on Sun, 2008-04-06 15:06.

Agree. I just read this morning that demographically in 20 years Holland will have more Muslim children than native. They will be the first Islamic country in Europe. How did that happen? In their nihilistic decadence they've pretty much trashed most of things that made western society successful and a good place to live. That's my opinion.

Ironically as future dhimmis life won't be as decadent. Islam will have lots and lots of rules for them to abide by, with very harsh penalties if they break them.

The compelling question is that the Dutch have to know this, the demographic facts are staring them in the face, why then don't they resist it? I sure would with any act of civil disobedience possible if that was my kid's bleak future. It's hard for an American to wrap one's mind around the passiveness and self-destructiveness of Europeans.

@onecent

Submitted by American Conservative on Sun, 2008-04-06 17:14.

"It's hard for an American to wrap one's mind around the passiveness and self-destructiveness of Europeans."

It's hard for many Conservative Americans to be idiots.

@American Conservative Idiot

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 18:32.

Speak for yourself. You don't sound American, nor conservative. You're just a plant to discredit real American conservatives.

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

immigration

Submitted by Armor on Sun, 2008-04-06 16:45.

@Onecent

I have read that European-Americans are already a minority in the 2 largest US states, and will be a minority in the whole country by 2040. Can you confirm that this is true? What makes you think the situation is worse in Europe than in North America?

According to a scholar employed by "American University" (Washington): “Americans come in all colors, and by 2040 non-Hispanic white people will be a minority. In fact, today, in four of our states [Texas, California, New Mexico, Hawaii] and the District of Columbia, white people are a minority. Two of these states are our largest states!” he said." source

I sought confirmation of this on wikipedia, but I only got useless garbage:

• As of the 2006 US Census estimates, the racial distribution in Texas are as follows: 69.8% White American, 11.6% African American, 3.3% are Asian American, 0.6 are American Indian, and 13% are of Some other Race. 35.7% are Hispanics or Latino (of any race).

• According to the 2005 ACS Estimates, California's population is 59.8% White American, 6.2% Black or African American, 12.3% Asian American, 0.7% American Indian, 3.3% mixed, and the remaining 17.3% are of Some other Race. 35.9% are Hispanic or Latino (of any race).

@Armor

Submitted by onecent on Sun, 2008-04-06 19:15.

A big difference regarding illegals here and the problem in Europe: we aren't passive about the issue. Our politicians have had their heads handed to them when they tried to pass a bogus immigration reform bill last year. They got nailed by a torrent of public response. The issue of illegals is very much alive in this election.

Texas and California are border states where you'd expect the biggest problem. A couple more state election cycles might very well clean up some of the illegal mess in those states.

There is no comparison between Mexican and Muslim disruption to a western society. 40% of Mexicans don't approve of terrorism as a means to an end nor do 40% approve of sharia laws. The anti-human and violent Koran has never infected their brains. They don't look upon us as dhimmis. They are fellow Christians which is compatible with our culture. Mexicans didn't kill 3000+ of us on 9/11. See the point.

You tell me which "situation" is worse, America or Europe?

Which is worse, America or Europe?

Submitted by Armor on Sun, 2008-04-06 20:43.

Onecent: " A big difference regarding illegals here and the problem in Europe: we aren't passive about the issue. "

You don't even have a border left with Mexico !
Illegal immigrants can benefit from every public service in the USA. Few governments are that crazy in Europe. And you can't even recognize that your problem is immigration, not illegal immigration!

Onecent: " Our politicians have had their heads handed to them when they tried to pass a bogus immigration reform bill last year. They got nailed by a torrent of public response."

Illegal immigrants have not been sent back home. More of them keep coming. The law is not enforced. Bush still does his best to transform the USA into a second Mexico.

Onecent: " The issue of illegals is very much alive in this election."

Obama, Clinton and McCain all support the Mexicanisation of the USA.

"There is no comparison between Mexican and Muslim disruption to a western society. 40% of Mexicans don't approve of terrorism as a means to an end nor do 40% approve of sharia laws."

Here is what I told Atheling yesterday about the same subject: Islam doesn't matter. Arabs who move to Europe won't stick for long to their religion. I agree that muslims cause a lot of mischief, which is made much worse by the cooperation of our governments and media. But for me, the real problem is the population replacement. Muslim violence should not be exaggerated, and most of the violence committed by Arab or African immigrants has nothing to do with islam. Here is an American white nationalist perspective:

"In 2007, white people suffered from violence perpetrated against them by blacks 1,793 times a day [in the USA]. By comparison, according to the U.S. Department of State, the number of people injured in terrorist incidents WORLD-WIDE amounts to 68 per day; and that's counting the insurgency in Iraq."

And from the same article: "A white American is more than THIRTEEN TIMES MORE LIKELY to be injured by a black American than an Israeli is likely to be harmed by a Palestinian."
(Source)

Onecent: " They are fellow Christians which is compatible with our culture."

Overall, I don't think they are compatible with European American culture. If you won't expel them, at least the Whites should be allowed to live in small secluded communities, so that the lack of compatibility will not completely destroy their lives.

Onecent: " You tell me which "situation" is worse, America or Europe?"

There isn't a big difference. We have the same disastrous ideology everywhere in the "western" world. But I think it is worse in America. I hope at some point Eastern Europe will no longer accept the free movement of immigrants from Western Europe to Eastern Europe. But when Maine and Montana decide to become politically independant from the rest of the USA in order to preserve themselves, I think Onecent will strongly disagree.

@Armor

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 16:55.

In Europe it is worse because Islamic ideology is inimical to Western Civilization - and thus will destroy your culture.

But of course, you don't know or understand culture, only skin color.

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

What?

Submitted by Armor on Sun, 2008-04-06 17:10.

¿Qué dice usted?
En español, por favor!

@Armor

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 18:30.

Let's see, the Hispanics in our community participate in subversive activities like sending their kids to college, and having Our Lady of Guadalupe processions on feast days, working 7 days a week in their family owned and operated businesses where they hire high school kids to work on evenings and weekends... Their children play and participate in sports like the white kids do in our predominantly white small American city.

Is that what the Muslims do in your area?

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

immigration is swell !

Submitted by Armor on Sun, 2008-04-06 19:52.

Atheling: "the Hispanics in our community participate in subversive activities like sending their kids to college, and having Our Lady of Guadalupe processions on feast days, working 7 days a week"

What you are saying is that population replacement is cool !
How long do you think this should be allowed to go on? Do you have enough Mexicans for the moment in your community, or do you want more?

Which one of these statements would you say is true :

1) Nothing has changed for the original members of your community because Mexicans are basically no different from Americans.

2) Mexicans are such nice people that living next to them has greatly improved the lives of Americans living in your community. Life has become less boring because you no longer see so many white people around.

3) Americans living in your community have seen their lives deteriorate gradually, but on the whole, the community is much happier than is used to be, as American consternation is more than made up by Mexican satisfaction.

Which is it?

Even if you think the situation of your community is idyllic, what you describe is still a population replacement, and most Americans have never agreed to that. Mexicans should do their religious processions in Mexico and let Americans live their own lives in the USA.

What do you think of Fred Reed's opinion :

"It is one thing to have Mexicans in America while they still fearful of being deported. They are polite and brown and eager to work. (...) It will be a different thing when they are legal and have a voting majority in the Southwest. They understand perfectly that their day is coming. (...) Shortly the US will have a southern tier of states under Mexican-American control."

"The hopeful idea is that they will meld as did the Irish and Italians and Vietnamese. The flaw in this happy ointment is that they do very poorly in school—better than blacks, but well below whites and Asians. This is not a problem of the first generation only, in which case it might eventually cure itself, but of later generations also. It looks innate, or at least as if it will continue. Then what?"

"Then they will have no choice but to be waiters and garbage collectors. The first generation will tolerate it, happy to be making what seems to them good money. A few will succeed and move up. Most won’t. The second generation, relegated forever to jobs of low pay and less esteem, will become resentful. Inevitably they will see the relegation as indicating discrimination, not incapacity. The young, unable to compete, will gravitate toward others who can’t and we will have another permanent underclass. If you don’t believe me, watch."

--
I think you are in for a lot of racial violence. Even today, the children of Mexican immigrants commit crime at a high rate. But from my point of view, the worst thing is that white Americans will gradually disappear as they are gradually replaced by immigrants. How is that a good thing for white Americans?

@Armor

Submitted by atheling on Sun, 2008-04-06 20:03.

You are so blind. I'm going to ignore your stupid straw man. Immigration works ONLY if the immigrant assimilates into the host culture, as the Hispanics in our community have. Political correctness has weakend our culture by not demanding that immigrants assimilate: THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

Are you that dense, that you can't see the difference? Of course you are! You're a broken record! You're too thick in the noggin to know anything else, you silly fool.

By the way, none of the Hispanics in our neighborhood engage in carbeques, like your Muslim friends do.

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” – Thomas Paine

I thought polygamy was illegal in Britain

Submitted by onecent on Sun, 2008-04-06 02:36.

More likely this slob is taking his chances with the British liberal multi-culti dhimmis that will feel his pain in court.

 

That he felt secure in using the polygamy defense just shows how far down the dhimmi hole the Brits have sunk.  Thank God he didn't have four wives.

Licence to kill

Submitted by ovalteen on Sat, 2008-04-05 23:46.

If his licence was so important to him, he should have been more careful to keep within the driving laws. It simply encourages law-breaking if people are allowed to think they'll be able to plead "special circumstances" and escape a ban. Particularly if they're Muslims: they care little for kaffir laws in the first place.