The Great Conversation

From the desk of Fjordman on Sat, 2007-05-19 23:43

One of the things I love about the Internet is that I get instant, online feedback on everything I write, from people in the United States to Australia and India. Quite frequently, this brings me to reassess what I have initially written, either by adding new perspectives and ideas that I hadn’t thought of at first or by stating more clearly what I mean. This Great Conversation is why the most interesting debates are frequently found in the blogosphere today. I have received so many impulses through this process from so many different individuals that it is not just modesty if I say that many of my essays should be considered as group efforts, with me as editor rather than sole writer.

A Finnish academic from the University of Helsinki read my essay about 21st century Communism, and was rather critical of my ideas, which she labelled “an incredible mixture of ideological, political and scientific ignorance and misunderstanding.”

First of all: It is true that “21st century Communism” isn’t about Multiculturalism alone, nor is unlimited immigration the same as Multiculturalism. I didn’t explain that well enough, as I should have. I quoted columnist Marie Simonsen from the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet as saying that it should be considered a universal human right for all human beings to move wherever they want to. Dagbladet also supports radical feminism and quotas for women as well as ethnic minorities in public life, mass immigration, transnational legislation from organizations such as the European Union and the United Nations, human rights fundamentalism, state-sponsored indoctrination with said policies and suppression of free speech through hate speech laws for critics. I was implicitly referring to this whole “package deal” when I talked about neo-Communism. And yes, these ideas do frequently, though not always, come in the same package.

According to this academic from Finland, “People who advocate Multiculturalism hardly think that culture is unimportant. On the contrary, they find culture so important for each and every person that it is considered a human right to be able to maintain at least some of it, regardless of where one happens to live.”

This is an interesting question: Do Multiculturalists place a lot of emphasis on culture, or very little? On the surface, they seem to believe that culture is very important. But on the other hand, they tend to view cultures as equal and interchangeable, which means that they perceive it to be of little practical importance, with the very notable exception of Western culture, which is important to destroy. Why should it be viewed as desirable that each person should be able to maintain his culture if he moves to another country? If one believes, as I do, that some cultures are superior to others, one could argue that by settling in another country, you have indirectly admitted that this country has a superior culture and should thus be required to adjust yourself to this culture, i.e. to assimilate.

My critic also claims that “The target of the author’s criticism waves back and forth and lacks a precise target. If you cannot define your ‘enemy,’ your attack is bound to be confusing. (...) There are so many ideas about Multiculturalism, and the author treats them all as if they were one, without even referring to one coherent set of such ideas.”

It is true that if you cannot define your enemy, your criticism is bound to be vague. But this is part of my point: I, and numerous others with at least average intelligence, have spent a considerable amount of time trying to analyze the doctrines of Multiculturalism. We have found this to be quite challenging, precisely because it is vague, incoherent and doesn’t have any clear philosophical foundation. Multiculturalism seems to be a curious mix of older, Enlightenment ideas such as Rousseau’s “noble savage” and later Marxist ideas, among other things. There are those who claim that it was never supposed to be logically consistent and that we shouldn’t look for any cohesive, rational arguments behind it because there are none. What little can be discerned from its ideas is sometimes quite disturbing, with elements of anti-Western hatred, totalitarian impulses and Utopian ideas involving large-scale social engineering.

But isn’t this alarming? Multiculturalism is now official state policy in many countries, together accounting for hundreds of millions of people. Isn’t it disturbing that millions of people are subject to a radical ideology that is almost impossible to comprehend, and thus to criticize? Many of its proponents seem to know that it cannot be rationally defended, which is why they simply shut critics down with charges of racism and shame them into silence whenever they sense some opposition. In fact, it is now more or less illegal in some countries to criticize it, although it could mean the most massive transformation of our countries in modern history.

According to this Finnish lady, “What you can do is try to come up with general values which are accepted as human rights in most cultural contexts and determine that these have to be adhered to by everyone in your country. All citizens do not need to have the same culture, although they do need to share some basic values, and of course we want these to remain those which have been typical for our country throughout history.” What one must do is to “start applying exactly the same standards/demands of respect for human rights” among immigrants as among the majority host population. We should allow immigrants the right to keep their culture “provided that they adhere to the central core of our values and follow the rules in our legal system.”

OK, but Muslims don’t do that. They don’t share our “core values” of freedom of speech to rationally criticize all religious creeds, as they have demonstrated on numerous occasions, from the Salman Rushdie case via the murder of Theo van Gogh to the Muhammad Cartoon Jihad in 2006. So what do we do when we are faced with cultures which specifically reject ideas about mutual tolerance?

French philosopher and cultural critic Alain Finkielkraut thinks that Europe has made human rights its new gospel. Has human rights fundamentalism approached the status of quasi-religion? Have we acquired a new class of scribes, who claim the exclusive right to interpret their Holy Texts in order to reveal Absolute Truth, and scream “blasphemy” at the few heretics who dare question their authority? The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a great document, but it is written by humans, and may thus contain human flaws. We shouldn’t treat as if it were a revelation from God, carved into stone. Far less should we deem as infallible the veritable maze of regulations and well-meaning human rights resolutions that have rendered democratic nations virtually unable to defend themselves.

I am skeptical of basing the future of our societies on abstract principles such as “human rights” alone, partly because they can so easily be defined and redefined beyond recognition by aggressive activists and elites. I have already quoted a columnist who said that it should be considered a “human right” for all human beings to move wherever they want to. At what point does the number of immigrants become so large that it interferes with the “human right” of the native population to keep their culture?

This is not a theoretical question, it is happening in front of our eyes now in Western Europe, where native Europeans have to watch as their cultural traditions are dismantled and removed from the school curriculum under the pretext that we are now a “Multicultural society.” And, yes, this is a large-scale social experiment being conducted on hundreds of millions of people. At some point, the sheer number of immigrants will infringe on the right of the natives to retain their cultural traditions.

The only possible solution to this dilemma is, in my view, to say that the right of the native population in the country to maintain their culture takes precedence over that of immigrants to do the same thing. This means that immigration needs to be limited in numbers to assimilation levels and exclude individuals from totally incompatible cultures, such as the Islamic ones. If nations are not allowed to state that they want limited immigration or even no immigration at all, this amounts to what I called neo-Communism, in which you are not allowed to decide who should settle in your own home.

Multiculturalism is primarily championed in Western nations. It is highly unlikely, to say the least, that a person from Finland, Canada or the Netherlands would want, much less be allowed to, move to Pakistan or Iran and expect to get state support for “keeping their culture,” but the reverse happens every single day. In the 21st century, many of the least economically successful cultures on earth are in the midst of the largest population boom in human history. If they should be allowed to continue to export, indefinitely, parts of their unsustainable population growth to other nations and those who move should be allowed to keep their culture, “human rights” de facto amount to the unilateral eradication of Western culture. And that’s precisely why the anti-Western Left support it. They can permanently destroy the West, and they can claim to do this in the name of “tolerance and diversity.”

When speaking about 21st century Communism, one also needs to consider what John Fonte has dubbed transnational progressivism, whose key concepts can be described as follows: Group rights over individual rights, where group proportionalism is the goal of “fairness,” where “democracy” means power sharing among ethnic groups and even non-citizens and where the values of important institutions must reflect the perspectives of “oppressed” groups.

According to Fonte, “Transnationalism is the next stage of multicultural ideology. Like multiculturalism, transnationalism is a concept that provides elites with both an empirical tool (a plausible analysis of what is) and an ideological framework (a vision of what should be). Transnational advocates argue that globalization requires some form of “global governance” because they believe that the nation-state and the idea of national citizenship are ill suited to deal with the global problems of the future. The same scholars who touted multiculturalism now herald the coming transnational age.”

The foundation for transnational progressivism is made up of a rising postnational intelligentsia (international law professors, NGO activists, UN bureaucrats, EU administrators, corporate executives, and politicians.) When social movements such as “transnationalism” and “global governance” are depicted as the result of social forces or the movement of history, a certain impersonal inevitability is implied, but Fonte warns that this is not inevitable, but “the result of the exercise of political will by elites.”

Fjordman: Info on Mullah Krekar's role w/al Qaeda/Saddam

Submitted by Jabba the Tutt on Sat, 2007-06-02 14:42.

“Mullah Krekar’s relationship started with the Iraqi government in 2001,” al-Shamary said.

Mullah Krekar was the leader of an al Qaeda affiliate that has operated in many names: Jund al Islam, Ansar al Islam, Ansar al Sunnah, and today, Al Qaeda in Kurdistan.

Al-Shamary was emphatic that Saddam’s son ran the local al Qaeda operation.

http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/05/the_missing_link.php

I hope you can use this info to go against Mullah Krekar in Norway.

South Asia

Submitted by Yitzhak on Tue, 2007-05-29 19:43.

If someone raises the issue of defending native South Asian Culture some people just jump on to that bandwagon and start cheerleading. But if a native European says something about defending native culture in Europe very same people put a “racist” label on native Europeans.

The very basic point is that problems and Issues of “multiculturalism” we facing are very different then problems and Issues of South Asia. Islamofascists in South Asia share same cultural heritage as Hindus Buddhists Sikh’s etc. they all are of same race. Almost all of today’s South Asian Islamofascists were Hindus before they converted.

 

 

Badges of "Honour"

Submitted by Mission Impossible on Wed, 2007-05-30 12:51.

@Yitzhak ... your 2007-05-29 20:43 comment is of course entirely correct. Well said.

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I have two "badges of honour" ready to present to our pair of cry-babies as they attempt to console each other ... LOL ... a box of Kleenex each. But, as we know, Kleenex are white, so we may have to assume that at least one of this sorry pair -- the one with a subscription to the Wall Street Journal -- would reject the prize as being 'manifestly racist.' Tusk, tusk.

For yet another example of Communists occupying high places in several Washington administrations (and its MSM) since 1945, follow this LINK. I am including this just to prove how correct several of my earlier comments on this issue at TBJ have been, which were all violently opposed by the pompous clown [Ref: Tue, 2007-05-29 18:46] who is convinced only he is qualified to identify a rational discussion.

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"In dictatorships, you need courage to fight evil; in the free world, you need courage to see the evil."
-Natan Sharansky.

Badge of honor

Submitted by marcfrans on Tue, 2007-05-29 17:46.

@ Doney

So, despite our widely differing opinions on numerous issues, it would appear that we have after all something in common: we can attract the 'ire' of manifest racists on 'the right'.  I take that as a badge of honor. 

While there is little doubt that western leftists use the charge of "racism" frequently to shut up other people and opinions, it does NOT follow that racism on the right does not exist. It does exist, and we can see it in action in some of the commentary on this website and other sites.   Moreover, we can observe that the urge to try to shut up others is shared by both sides of the political spectrum.  Although on this website it is being displayed by rightists, the bigger threat in western societies  comes from the left, but that is because the left largely still 'rules' culturally.  

In principle there should NOT be any objection to 'Miriam' making comparisons with problems and issues of 'multiculturalism' anywhere in the world. However, the particular language he/she often uses is not conducive to any rational discussion of these issues.  It only plays to some of the worst instincts of manifest racists.  That is most unfortunate.  I like to think that better language and reasoning would have attracted more reasonable responses.  But that maybe wishful thinking on my part.

In any case, Bob Doney, carry your badge of 'honor' with honour (concession to the Brits).  But, do it for the right reason, i.e. for having attracted the ire of a manifest racist, and not for some of the opinions you have expressed here before.  

 

 

 

Badge of honour

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2007-05-29 19:33.

marcfrans: "Bob Doney, carry your badge of 'honor' with honour (concession to the Brits). But, do it for the right reason, i.e. for having attracted the ire of a manifest racist, and not for some of the opinions you have expressed here before."

Thank you (I think).

"These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others" (Marx, Groucho).

@Miriam

Submitted by Yitzhak on Tue, 2007-05-29 07:18.

I totally agree with Kapitein Andre this blog is about Europe and problems (Caucasian Europeans) are facing in Europe today. You are desperately trying to bring South Asian affairs in to European affairs discussion which is plainly stupidity and ridiculous.

I think Kapitein point this perfectly there are plenty of South Asian blogs were you can discuss such matters with your fellow brethren.

@Yitzhak

Submitted by Mission Impossible on Tue, 2007-05-29 11:13.

Regarding Miriam (and her earlier accomplice, 'Invite Jesus') and her repeated reference to Indian issues on this Forum, some of us have been here long before. Follow links for some comments from 2006:

Mission Impossible ... trying to calm people down

Kaptein Andre ... who would ban her if he could

Mission Impossible ... impatiently, during a rather emotional debate

But, despite Miriam's evident obsession with Pakkis and the dark annals of Indian history, she has nonetheless raised several important issues here in the Brussels Journal. Her main problem is her repetitive and obsessive nature: meaning the same issues are recycled over and over again.

Indian blogs can get very heated indeed, due to the recognition by the participants that they are already fully committed to the protection of their respective caste, ethnicity, or creed. Perhaps she is coming here to BJ for some relief from all that?

We can't all be perfect can we?? ... such as 'marcfrans' or the 'Boy Doney.'

Moving on

Submitted by Bob Doney on Tue, 2007-05-29 12:27.

MI: "We can't all be perfect can we?? ... such as 'marcfrans' or the 'Boy Doney.'"

Have I moved upwards and onwards from being the "useful idiot" then? Progress of a sort, I suppose.

@Doney - General trend or pattern is more important

Submitted by Miriam on Sat, 2007-05-26 14:51.

Do you believe what they say? Are their data trust-worthy, knowing they are worse than hitler and goebbels?

It is relevant how little was given to each disaster and also the general trend of the muslims in taking care of their own, like the iraqi or palestinian immigrants, who live much better in EU than in Lebanon, Jordan or Syria.

The pakki fascists left bihari muslims dumped on bangla-deshis and 140 million of their own dumped on India; yes 100s of millions - 9% then - more than 15% now who are treated like royalty in contrast to pretty shabby treatment of shias in arabia [more than 15% of the population acg to Mr VALI NASR of U.S Navy War College] or pakki land..etc.

@Yitzak- India's multi-culturalism is threatening native culture

Submitted by Miriam on Sat, 2007-05-26 14:29.

Answer to your problem lies in these line:- "Each “diverse” population does not assimilate as it is promoted as superior to what we already have. They are accorded special privileges and protections, and of course the obligatory welfare payments. The divisions that are caused keep the population from acting in concert for their best interest. The resulting fractionalization of the population results in a lot of different political parties." THIS IS CURRENT DAY INDIA where the minority indulge in conversion which is called by the natives as CULTURAL GENOCIDE!!

If the natives resist, there is no support of any kind from any quarters but instead demonization, maligning and denigration - be it in India, Latin America or North America whose original cultures are being decimated, even as we watch idly by.

I took time to email my friends and get their views. Indians quote rapes of minors in churches on a global scale and mention Indian victims not coming forward at all because of dishonor and excessive privileges of India's minority like in apartheid South Africa or Saddam's Iraq. 2nd, unlike the natives who cremate or burn their dead bodies, the christians and muslims take property in terms of land for burial. In effect, it is a dangerous track that country is moving on.
The islamofascists are obviously more dangerous being savagely violent pervasively at the slightest pretext and often
** with no excuse at all or provocation or justification
[like barbaric attacks for BUSH VISIT, DANISH CARTOONS, FALWELL'S REMARKS, SADDAM'S HANGING, ..etc].
** with no punishment
** with no compensation for the victims or their families
** with no condemnation by the INT'L COMMUNITY either...

Jews of USA/ISRAEL have resisted conversion antics but Indians occasionally respond with help of muslims who do it all over that region burning churches - esp-ly in fakistan and bangladesh - hotbeds of unattended int'l terrorism.

There are many conflicts in the world.

Submitted by longun45 on Wed, 2007-05-23 05:26.

Most have been generated by what we are told are Muslim fanatics.  Unfortunately of the many conflicts around the globe this is indeed the case.  But in this case it is a smoke screen.

 

Multiculturalism is code for division of peoples into easily handled and managed, people with a specific trait.  The forced acceptance of other cultures dilutes a nation’s identity and robs it of its foundation.  The practice of placing semi large populations of immigrants from foreign countries in to other wise homogenous population causes disaster.  Yet the US government does precisely that.  With no to little notice to the local government. 

 

Each “diverse” population does not assimilate as it is promoted as superior to what we already have.  They are accorded special privileges and protections, and of course the obligatory welfare payments.  The divisions that are caused keep the population from acting in concert for their best interest.  The resulting fractionalization of the population results in a lot of different political parties.  In the case of the US we have 2 parties that are essentially the same thing with only different initials to distinguish then from one another.

 

This government, like many others, is dominated by the left insulated by the “rule of law” which they neither respect nor obey.   The government buys votes with social programs designed to enslave people, those it cannot buy are either ignored or legislated against with creeping instrumentalism until they are irrelevant.  If they choose to disobey the laws they are jailed and forgotten.  These are familiar tactics in frankly communist countries.  Nobody believes a criminal.   Anybody siding with the criminal goes to jail or is killed.

 

The left feels itself above the law and invokes a false moral superiority, that if prodded falls apart like a house of cards.  The left is very good at deception and misdirection.  They meet in secret and feel emboldened by each other and their morality is one of amorality.  They will not stop until they achieve their goals or are killed. 

 

The content of Europe is in such a grip right now, as is North America.  I fear it will take a lot of bloodshed to correct. 

 

The communists AKA left, progressive, socialist have no problem with killing millions to achieve their ends, either with starvation or execution after torture.  They make the Nazis look like small time hoodlums.  The people behind the left are some of the most wealthy people on the globe, they above all else desire power over everything and every one. 

Thinking through

Submitted by Bob Doney on Fri, 2007-05-25 12:41.

martin lukes: "Time to nuke the bastards, without mercy."

I'm not sure you've thought this plan through, Martin. There's bound to be a snag in it somewhere. It's probably got something to do with oil. Most world-size problems seem to do nowadays.

By the way the news from Iran today is that there is a bit of a financial meltdown due to Ahmadinejad's incompetence. I'm not sure, though, whether this is likely to hasten or delay their nuclear programme. North Korea's example is not encouraging.

In Reply to Miriam

Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Tue, 2007-05-22 01:13.

According to the terminology of the blogosphere, you are a troll. Your comments have little to do with Europe or conservatism, and remain narrowly focused on Muslim-Hindu affairs in South Asia; indeed your vitriol can even be construed as anti-Christian and anti-Semitic at times. Moreover, your 'sources' continue to be Hindu nationalist (or more aptly put - extremist) webpages. Nor is your summary list of Muslim-on-Hindu atrocities akin to the genocides perpetrated by the National Socialists, Soviets, Belgians (Congo), British, French, Spaniards, Portuguese, Japanese, Chinese (against non-Han nationalities), Rwandans, Serbs, Croats, Bosnians or Afrikaaners.

 

I am certain that there are plenty of Hindu extremist blogs out there better suited to your topic of discussion.

@ Kapitein - Dont look thru colored glasses

Submitted by Miriam on Tue, 2007-05-22 03:42.

What makes you think I am a Hindu or I am for extremism of any kind? Of course, I am opposed to extremism of the islamist kind!! Shouldnt I be, as this whole site is based on that 'conservative' premise?!! I am a social conservative based on Old Testament.

There is nothing about extremism in my comments! Living in the West, I have brought out for the benefit of my fellow Western citizens how we can learn from the Hindu victims of islamofascist hate crimes. Isnt that is the focus of this site?
If you dont want to learn, it is fine. Biased opinion of one individual matters very little. There are millions of other mature Europeans who may be willing to so learn from victims of islamic hate crimes in India/Thailand/Kurdistan/Armenia.

I disagree with this: "Nor is your summary list of Muslim-on-Hindu atrocities akin to the genocides perpetrated by the National Socialists, Soviets, Belgians (Congo), British, French, Spaniards, Portuguese, Japanese, Chinese (against non-Han nationalities), Rwandans, Serbs, Croats, Bosnians or Afrikaaners." You are being anti-Christian. Those crimes have little to do with islamic on-slaught all over the world.

In opposing me, you are being anti-semitic. If you are an objective and enlightened person, shine light on which country has had savage reaction on an event that happened outside its borders, 1000's of miles away unlike many in India like this one and other:
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Falwell Remarks Prompt India Riots; 5 Dead by Ramola Talwar
BOMBAY, India (AP) - Five people were killed Friday in Hindu-Muslim rioting and police gunfire after riots broke out during a general strike to protest the Rev. Jerry Falwell calling the founder of Islam a terrorist. Forty-seven others were injured.
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It has been followed by zillions of other savage attacks towards persistent ethnic cleansing by way of constant riots for BUSH VISIT, DANISH CARTOONS, SADDAM'S HANGING, KASHMIR RELICS...etc etc.
So dont buy islamic lies that focus on denying basic human rights [right to live let alone right to practice their religion which is also denied by stoning or throwing acid during Hindu street festivities] using their savage fundamentalism!!
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Kapitein, I have given solid, clear and compelling evidence from actual events. Can you give better examples in evidence or be more balanced and objective than me in countering my comments? You lack balance and objectivity in your vile, bile and vitriol! I didnt personally attack anyone, while you do so with hate and venom towards me and 1 bil Hindus calling them **all** extremists!

I said: "They [islamofascists] keep betraying and the Armenians, Greeks, Hindus, Kurds are all victims of the genocidal islamic betrayal and mass murder. [They betrayed the Christians too who helped them in Bosnia and Kosovo etc]...."
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where I included many cultures outside INDIA. So, please re-read carefully before reacting with froth in the mouth!!

Atrocities do happen. We in the West have become refined to some extent. But not the islamofascists. THAT IS THE GIST OF MY COMMENTS. All my evidence are based on facts! You cant deny that, can you? You have no legs to stand on!!

Not championed in Western nations only - price is heavy though

Submitted by Miriam on Tue, 2007-05-22 00:44.

Mr Fjordman, "Multiculturalism is ..championed in Western nations" in the last few decades. But primarily done so in India!! Look at the number of religions, ethnic mix, languages and cultures in India. You have Jews, very powerful Christians and super powerful muslims in India!

Name one country where minority is so powerful except in Iraq and South Africa until recently!

Name one country other than India where genocide happens on a large scale and no one notices it!! That too since very long time with no link or connection to the local natives...here is the evidence
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Certainly following is not the first genocidal pogrom:
"The major anti-Hindu riots occurred in Kohat in NWFP, India in 1924. In three days (September 9 -11) of riots over 155 Hindus and Sikhs were killed .Entire population of Hindus and Sikhs living there had to flee for life . Gandhiji undertook 21 days fast for Hindu-Muslim unity in October 1924."
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Falwell Remarks Prompt India Riots; 5 Dead by Ramola Talwar
BOMBAY, India (AP) - Five people were killed Friday in Hindu-Muslim rioting and police gunfire after riots broke out during a general strike to protest the Rev. Jerry Falwell calling the founder of Islam a terrorist. Forty-seven others were injured.
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It has been followed by zillions others towards persistent ethnic cleansing by way of constant riots for BUSH VISIT, DANISH CARTOONS, SADDAM'S HANGING, KASHMIR RELICS...etc etc. So dont buy islamic lies that focus on denying basic human rights [right to live let alone right to practice their religion which is also denied by stoning or throwing acid during Hindu street festivities] using their savage fundamentalism!!

No! All religions dont have the same agenda!!

Submitted by Miriam on Mon, 2007-05-21 23:40.

Most religions except islam, are based on compassion and loving service to fellow humans even if they are not of the same religion or country. How many muslims gave large sums in donations for tsunami, katrina, or earth quake of Iran/India/Taiwan ...etc?

In contrast, all Christians and Hindus gave for pakki quake and katrina!! Especially the non-Abrahamic ones have been over excessively tolerant and compassionate not destroying other cultures! Christians wiped out early cultures of Italy, Greece, Nordic/Celtic/African/American countries.

Same way, islamofascists decimated equally cruelly local cultures of North Africa, Middle East, India, Pakistan, Bangla Desh..etc.

NO! Generalized from long consistent pattern!

Submitted by Miriam on Mon, 2007-05-21 23:06.

This is NOT an overgeneralization. generalizaiton is possible from a long and consistent pattern of serial mass murders all over the world - be it Kurds, Thais, Hindus, Greeks/Armenians of Turkey or Serbs of Yugoslavia.

It would be true to write "most muslims do that". It's right to identify Khomeiny, al Quaida and zillion others in iranian, pakki or saudi regimes with "the muslim world". They form one integral sunni world oppressing others including their own shia minority. Shias are 15% in saudi kingdom but they have less rights than the sunnis of India who rule India to this day long after colonialism ended.

The sunnis not only kill serially on a mass scale and on a global scale but also escape justice with impunity and never pay any compensation.

Germany paid huge reparations unlike the islamofascists who are yet to open their wallet. Plus other Christians fought with Hitler and Franco and brought down their regimes. We dont see any muslim eliminating their islamic killers unlike "the Christian world" who did away with hitler.

Yugoslavian islamofascists sided with hitler and fought along side hitler and betrayed him too! They keep betraying and the Armenians, Greeks, Hindus, Kurds are all victims of the genocidal islamic betrayal and mass murder. [They betrayed the Christians too who helped them in Bosnia and Kosovo etc]....

Betrayal too is their second nature besides serial mass killings in genocide after genocide. Both are in the long islamic criminal history. That too - on a global scale. No one can erase it or forget it or forgive it.

"respect all cultures"

Submitted by dimitrik on Mon, 2007-05-21 16:12.

What is the difference between love and rape? From physiological point of view, not so much. The only difference is that love is voluntary and rape is enforced. The same with respect: when you are forced to respect the cultures which you don't want to respect, it is communism.

"you are not allowed to

Submitted by dimitrik on Mon, 2007-05-21 15:15.

"you are not allowed to decide who should settle in your own home"

It seems that the author is up to something. Marx suggested that people don't have not only property, but no family and no country, too. Proletarians have no Fatherland - wrote Marx in the Communist Manifesto. First tat Russian Bolsheviks did, they invented multifamily "communal" appartments. Private property is only part of people's legacy. The final aim is to make everything common. Which means - strip person of any identity, any legacy, any inheritance.

But later they learned to hide behind pseudo-good intentions. Unlike Marx and sincere Russian communists, the communists of the West pretended that their aims were to impprove the life of the poor, to protect minorities, to respect all cultures. It worked, probably because of the Western Chrystian mentality. Who would not pay for hungry children? Then 1/3 of that money goes to feed the children of the communists and 2/3 to building a nuclear plant in place of a few demolished villages. The only way to deal with them is to refuse to pay them anything, not a single penny. Good intentions are known for paving the road to hell.

All religions have the same agenda

Submitted by Amsterdamsky on Mon, 2007-05-21 07:56.

""OK, but Muslims don’t do that. They don’t share our “core values” of
freedom of speech to rationally criticize all religious creed"

 

Hahahahaha!  Neither do christians and jews and I am learning Hindus also.  When you look at the fundis political agenda it is pretty much all the same.  Anti-gay, anti-free speech, special rules like stores closed on Sunday.  The right to mutilate and carve up their children however they want...  All the same.

overgeneralization

Submitted by spraynasal on Mon, 2007-05-21 02:10.

"OK, but Muslims don’t do that. They don’t share our “core values” of
freedom of speech to rationally criticize all religious creeds, as they
have demonstrated on numerous occasions, from the Salman Rushdie case
via the murder of Theo van Gogh to the Muhammad Cartoon Jihad in 2006."

 

This is an overgeneralization. It would be true to write "some muslims don't do that". It's so wrong to identify Khomeiny or al Quaida with "the muslim world", it's like saying that Hitler and Franco were "the christian world". Your finnish lady is right. We need a basic core of common values and accept cultural difference as long as these common values are respected.

 

This is an

Submitted by Uwe Hayek on Tue, 2007-05-22 15:02.

Spraynasal :
This is an overgeneralization. It would be true to write "some muslims don't do that". It's so wrong to identify Khomeiny or al Quaida with "the muslim world", it's like saying that Hitler and Franco were "the christian world".

You forget the inquisition. And it is you that generalises "the Christian world".

You defend the undefendable.

The "Christian World" is no better than the "Muslim World".

The only right way, is quitting your religion, and criticizing it to the full extend, like we did here. And then we had renaissance, and even the Earth started revolving around the sun.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Uwe Hayek, descendant of the apes, and proud to be.

To Uwe Hayek

Submitted by spraynasal on Wed, 2007-05-23 06:04.

Religions cannot be fully eliminated. It's like trying to eliminate sexuality: The more you try, the more it comes back..in a hidden way. It's better to admit we have a religious dimension and educate it...

And the Renaissance men were also men of faith, even if they were often prosecuted by a narrow-minded church. Galileo Galilei was a believer.
I don't deny being a descendant of apes, either. But I have no feeling about it. And which solution to which problem are you writing about?

Kosovars decimating Multiculturalism and getting rewarded for it

Submitted by Miriam on Sun, 2007-05-20 23:39.

Yes, islamofascism or communism isn’t about Multiculturalism. Compare the kosovar albanians with Christian Serbs. Former riot at the most trivial pretext like all other muslims in India, Turkey and ethnically cleanse others like all other islamic criminals.

In contrast, TIBETANS/ SERBS/ARMENIANS/KURDS/HINDUS/BERBERS are most ill treated by not only the islamofascists/commies but decent people of EU/UN/NGOs!!!

Like Serbians in Bosnia/Kosovo/Montenegro, Kashmir, other parts of India and fakistan have gotten so cleansed of all Hindus in a very short period of time. Specifically the Kashmir Pundits have been driven out like the Jews by marking their houses, threats and the whole nine yard of hitlerian antics. They now live in refugee camps with nothing left for them to live - even abandoned by U.N, NGOs and other aid agencies..

Compare SERBS and pakkis. Former are getting the sticks/punishment for not delivering a few to the Hague while latter is getting carrots [literally billions of dollars], being rewarded for harboring, sponsoring and exporting global terrorists and anarchy on an ongoing basis not unlike Charles Taylor of Liberia!!!?

Taylor is in jail. The pakki honchos are enjoying the billions! What a cruel irony!!!??

" Multiculturalism is now

Submitted by Ernest on Sun, 2007-05-20 06:04.

" Multiculturalism is now official state policy in many countries, together accounting for hundreds of millions of people."

I'd go so far as to call it a state sponsored religion. The "new morality" with heretics burned at the stake.

Multiculturalism is self-hate

Submitted by David_D on Sun, 2007-05-20 04:19.

Multiculturalism is nothing but Western self-hate. This is a creature of the Left. Multiculturalism is nothing but adolescent fear of envy. I am of the opinion that Europe has become so infected with this "cultural virus" that only a catastrophe will cure the disease.