"Before 1970 Denmark had almost no foreign immigrants."

That's odd. The entire population of the UK is either foreign immigrants or descended from them. Quite a few came from Denmark. Do you want them back?

You can do your mad sums till the end of time, but if you base your assessments on views of volk, kinder, race, tribe and all the rest of it you'll never come to any sensible conclusion.

Bob Doney

http://www.meforum.org/article/696 :

“Europe is undergoing two profound changes. The first is the weakening of Christianity. The second is demographic decline. Presently, across Europe, there are only two-thirds the number of children born necessary to sustain the population. The consequent drop in population has mostly been made good by immigration of Muslims. The fast-growing Muslim population is generally not integrated into the host societies nor politically acculturated to its norms. To the contrary, radical Islamic movements are gaining in strength among these émigré populations. In addition, European governments, especially the French, have developed foreign policies aimed at winning the favor of Middle Eastern regimes…”

lilliput-information comments: Etnic fertility in Europe (1-1.2 child a woman) is half of what it is needed to secure stable populations. The reason is simply found in the ideological tax-based welfare-systems invented by the elite for the elite. The 15-18 p.c. immigrants from muslim dominated areas (inclusive naturalized and their children) have a fertility of about 3.5 in average resulting in a total fertility of about 1.5 in all the 25 EU member states. The problem is that the immigrants consume 40 p.c. of welfare resources, as they claim welfare more than 3 times as often than Europeans compared with the percentage of individuals in Denmark, for example, compare the Danish Welfare Commission, November 2005.

Sources: http://www.globalenvision.org/library/8/874 and http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-AF-05-001/EN/KS-AF-05-001-EN.PDF page 16

J. E. Vig, Denmark, http://Danmark.Wordpress.com

http://www.lilliput-information.com/engeufolk.html

This information is certainly not based on the newest sources. But that is our situation. As you may have noticed the schedule has not changed significantly. We have to do everything ourselves without any contributions from 99.5 p.c. of the population that obviously want their families to die out in order for others to take their places.
It is not that we assume you are incapable of simple mathematics, it is only that we are not sure that you recently have done the following calculation.
You should, however, do it. So, please, do correct and comment ours - i.e., give us the benefit of your views.
This is based on the newest (2003) statistics from EU’s statistical office (figures in bracketts are from other sources, such as Fischer Almanach 2002-2004), supposedly produced in the pauses between the successful embezzlement of our tax payers’ money. This press on their schedule may explain that these data are not free from contradictions, but totally free from any reasonable clues. We have to add conclusions ourselves. Here our humble contribution. (To my (Michael Koch:) knowledge, hitherto only Morten Rasmussen December 1st. 2003, Kristeligt Dagblad in Denmark, and some more Danish population scientists like P. C. Matthiessen and private persons (J. E. Vig et al.) have taken notice of this issue - for some years - which should be of interest to every European citizen.)...
Read further the astonishing figures that is not published anywhere else on : http://danmark.wordpress.com/2006/05/23/our-future-interested/

J. E. Vig & Michael Koch, Denmark, Sweden respectively
http://Danmark.wordpress.com

Causal-interpretation nearly left – except when it fit into the ideology

that is politically correct - and a spendid supplement

The big jump in the economic and political science of society happens at the transition from the phase, where you can or can not explain and foresee the behavior of the human being to the managed influence on behavior, watching and control. The corresponding model of the explanation and forecasting of the human being suites the underlying so-called empirism later on positivism, which model-apparatus uses the model of causal-interpretation that needs the past to explain the presence and the future. The experience, the past and also the cause are not acknowledged, and this is perhaps quite legitimately to maintain, when models show themselves not to apply to the outside world, even if you have made an effort with all possible interpretations, especially those in symbols of mathematical language.
Read further:http://danmark.wordpress.com/2006/07/22/causal-interpretation-almost-left-%e2%80%93-except-when-it-fit-into-the-ideology/

J. E. Vig
http://Danmark.wordpress.com

"You are something wrong you are not, when you write something wrong – politically incorrectness – and you really have to understand this."

I'm sorry. I don't understand this at all. What has this to do with the thread?

http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson110806.html

“November 8, 2006

The New Appeasement by Victor Davis Hanson The New Criterion A review of Mark Steyn’s America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It. (Regnery, 2006, 256 pp.) The wider English-reading public discovered the genius of Mark Steyn after September 11, and for two reasons other than the fact that his amazing prolificacy did not come at the expense of quality…..”

Sonia & Joern

http://Danmark.wordpress.com

You are not

Mark Steyn does not write for The Telegraph any more. You are something wrong. You are not, when you write something wrong – politically incorrectness – and you really have to understand this. When even freedom-fighters ostensibly to secure their freedom give up their freedom to die away, we all must understand – nothing but a dissenting opinion on the light values invented as late as possible for the purpose in the last forty years. And we happily don’t. Mark Steyn does not write in good faith but with good consciousness, and even though his figures have to be substantial corrected to show an even more realistic upcoming ragnarok, they still might inspire some worried ones to do something to go to prison.

http://danmark.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/the-real-reason-the-west-is-in-danger-of-extinction/

Sincerely
J. E. Vig, Denmark
http://Danmark.wordpress.com

Ock8:

How clever and nuanced you are. Such insight, such depth, such courage.

What a contrast your comment makes to those which preceded yours. Rather like an inverse of the evolution of thought.

I bet everyone leaves the room after about 2 minutes with you.

What is so surprising ?

After all, he thinks god is some dead loser on a stick wearing a diaper. The insanity of christianity continues....

Sadly, Vicar Weisselberg's response was not a christian one. Setting oneself on fire is not consonant with any mainstream christian theology that I am aware of and certainly not Lutheranism. This cannot be forgotten if christianity is ever to regain its prominence among the Danes and the rest of Europe. We must be true to our own faith.

Six Good Reasons... to fight and not commit suicide

- why all the most foreign immigrants and their descendants have to counted:

Before 1970 Denmark had almost no foreign immigrants.

Officially 337.243 foreigners and their descendants included the ones with a Danish citizenship or about 6 p. c. of the population stayed in Denmark 1 January 2006. A LIE! Associated professor Hans Oluf Hansen Copenhagen University reported in the newspaper Berlingske Tidende 20 August 2005 that the original Danes would become a minority before the end of this century, if it continues.

As on the other hand the official Danish projection of population was presented in the newspaper Jyllands-Posten 29 August 1999 (refered to in JP 21 August 2005), and it showed 13.7 p.c. immigrants and descendants totally in the year 2020, professor P. C. Matthiessen who commented the figures, was almost attacked via the media. ONE MORE BIG LIE.

The account is even in a much worse way:

Information of Denmark reports: There were already more than 690,000 most foreign foreigners, naturalized and their children 1. January 2006 corresponding to more than 13 p.c., and Danes will for certain become a minority between 2035 and 2045, if it continues: http://www.lilliput-information.com/uscan.html (corrected official status in English) .....

Is to be continued: http://www.lilliput-information.com/six.html

As the Danish and the all the other European population accounts concerns: http://danmark.wordpress.com/2006/10/29/danish-account-of-population-a-farce/

Sincerely
M.Sc.(Economics) Joern E. Vig, Denmark
http://danmark.wordpress.com

Actually, FLLAW, you would attend the Protestant or Evangelical churches in Belgium as they are mostly alive, just small in numbers.

The Catholic Church, as this is a Catholic country, is a state church that seems to avoid controversy and its Cardinal Daneels is very liberal himself. Those Catholics who do care about things tend to work with organizations that are more non-denominational such as C'Axent (Christian Accent), a small but growing activist group for Christians.

I cannot speak for the rest of Europe, but the Liberal Methodist, Lutheran and other denominations that you see in the U.S. are largely non-existent in Flanders.

Lord, grant me the strength to change the things I can;

the serenity to deal with the things I cannot change;

and the wisdom to know the difference.

I hardly consider my questioning buccaneer's credibility as an "attack". Sheesh, hypersensitive are we?

My point is that what kind of person abandons his faith just because of crappy bishops and priests? Christianity is about Christ, not his weak followers.

Secondly, if Europeans remained with their faith they might have been able to bring about change within the weakness and corruption that challenges their community. There are many instances of lay people who brought about needed changes within the Catholic Church such as Catherine of Siena who advised Popes, Joan of Arc (need I say more about her?)...

Abandoning one's faith because of internal weakness is only indicative of a person who had no faith at all, or is too cowardly to be an instrument for needed change.

Any other questions, Flanders?

You are all making a very big mistake! People like the Lutheran Bishop of Saxony have no real religious convictions. For him, being a bishop is just the way he makes an easy living. The minute it looks like the Moslems have taken over, he will just convert to Islam and make easy money as a mullah. That is why he, and so many other "leaders" in Europe, soft peddle everything Islamic, that way they can just convert when they need to. And trust me, they will convert in a heartbeat! Heck, they don't even believe in a God, so why should they care which religion they belong to, as long as they survive. And the devil take the rest of us!

The fact that you left the church (I take it to mean the Lutheran Church) hardly gives you credibility in your belief that Christianity can't hold up to Islam's encroachment. Maybe if people like you had not deserted your faith then you wouldn't be in this position, hmm?

It is very sad to see how desperate that man must have been. And how isolated and ignored he must have felt. Regarding his bishop's remark that  his proper insecurity regaring foreign cultures was to blame noone should wonder.

It leaves me simply speechless how dumb this bishop possibly is. Pure dhimmi - better betray his own kind and faith  than standing up for his people  and facing the danger. He would have served this poor man's soul last will in taking up what he died for.

Main stream media shuts up (the news was  banned virtually on the same day it appeared from the papers) and the Christian church does it's best to assure that this man has nothing to do with the church. And how well they all feel about islam. If I hadn't already quit church this would be a perfect reason for me to do so.

Now simply imagine a slightly different picture - some imam of the religion of peace would have burnt himself (very improbable, I know - but just assume it..) because he were afraid of the West and Christians. Would then other imams - like our bishop assure how well they felt about Christians, how isolated this imam was in his views, how ignorant about the greatness of Christianity - and simply cover it all up, with blushed faces full of shame? Seems as realistic as Captain Kirk beaming down from your TV into the living room, doesn't it?

If some people believe the Christian church  would be able to hold up Islam, I am afraid they will be up for a very rude awakening from their dreams. The  church will probably be the first to cater to Muslim needs. As it already happened in Brussels when they let Muslim asylum seekers into  churches  and covered up the crosses and shut out their community from mass to not offend any Muslim's religious feelings..

I think prescribed heroin overdose is the normal form of (legal) euthanasia here.  Germans are sooooo last century.

"On Tuesday a Lutheran vicar set himself alight in the German town of Erfurt. The 73 year old Roland Weisselberg poured gasoline over himself and set fire to himself in the Erfurt monastery, where Martin Luther took his monastic vows in 1505. Bystanders rushed to extinguish the flames. The man later died of his injuries."

What a sad and useless act. Besides being a sin according to the Christian faith, it will surely not cause the Muslims to have a sudden Epiphany and become kinder and more gentle. As far as they are concerned there is one less infidel dog in the world. One less they have to trouble themselves beheading at a future date.

He would have served his flock better by exhorting them to take action against the destruction of one of the greatest cultures to have ever existed.

This horrid event is very reminscent of the 1963 self destruction of a buddist monk who set himself ablaze protesting the communist occupation and it's eventual spread in Vietnam...Does anyone see a pattern here??....Religious clergy protesting forms of totalitarianism by igniting themselves to death....The last time this happend, a long bloody conflict insued....Is history repeating itself?......As for the Bishop, he really needs to wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late....I don't think he realizes that he will be one of the first the Islamoids will come after when they out-populate the current majority in EU......

I cannot condone what this vicar did, and I am deeply troubled by it.

However, his bishop's remarks are typically PC and absurd. The comment below is correct: foolish.

Axel Noack, the Lutheran Bishop of Saxony, said "that Christians reject a culture war. “Fear of other cultures is the result of our own insecurity,” he said, adding that since there are not many Muslims in what was once East Germany, there is not much of a debate about Islam there."

The Bishop is a fool. When a cultural war is thrust upon you, you don't have the "option" to reject it. In otherwords, when the other side declares war on you and launches attacks, you don't have the option to "think about it" or say "no thank you". You either fight back or you surrender.

The "Bishop" is not as "safe" as he thinks if Islam should eventually dominate Europe and it appears that it will, if the majority of the people in Europe think like this "Bishop" and pretend a dangerous problem does not exist, that it will go away, or that we can appease them.

Furthermore, this has more to do with reality and not with an issue of insecurity, but the insecurity is justifed and warranted. Perhaps the Bishop ought to get out of eastern Germany a bit and see what is going on in the rest of Germany and Europe and read what is going on in the rest of the world regarding the ever increasing violence perpetrated by the adherants of Islam upon anyone opposed to their domination.

I pray that the message of the Vicar, who died, in an attempt to warn us against the danger of the Islamization of Europe gets heard and heeded and therefore his death would not be in vain.

This "christian", i.e. the Bishop, if he is in fact a true genuine Christian, does not speak for this Christian, i.e. FLLaw33870.