Führerprinzip
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Mon, 2006-09-25 14:24
A quote from David Gordon at mises.org, 22 September 2006
The Nazi press enthusiastically hailed the early New Deal measures: America, like the Reich, had decisively broken with the “uninhibited frenzy of market speculation.” The Nazi Party newspaper, the Völkischer Beobachter, “stressed ‘Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies,’ praising the president’s style of leadership as being compatible with Hitler’s own dictatorial Führerprinzip”. [...] A New Order in both countries had replaced an antiquated emphasis on rights.
Mussolini, who did not allow his work as dictator to interrupt his prolific journalism, wrote a glowing review of Roosevelt’s Looking Forward. He found “reminiscent of fascism … the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices”; [...] Roosevelt never had much use for Hitler, but Mussolini was another matter. “‘I don’t mind telling you in confidence,’ FDR remarked to a White House correspondent, ‘that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman’”. Rexford Tugwell, a leading adviser to the president, had difficulty containing his enthusiasm for Mussolini’s program to modernize Italy: “It’s the cleanest … most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I’ve ever seen. It makes me envious”.
Why did these contemporaries sees an affinity between Roosevelt and the two leading European dictators, while most people today view them as polar opposites? People read history backwards: they project the fierce antagonisms of World War II, when America battled the Axis, to an earlier period. At the time, what impressed many observers, including as we have seen the principal actors themselves, was a new style of leadership common to America, Germany, and Italy.
Once more we must avoid a common misconception. Because of the ruthless crimes of Hitler and his Italian ally, it is mistakenly assumed that the dictators were for the most part hated and feared by the people they ruled. Quite the contrary, they were in those pre-war years the objects of considerable adulation. A leader who embodied the spirit of the people had superseded the old bureaucratic apparatus of government. [...]
Both the New Deal and European fascism were marked by what Wilhelm Röpke aptly termed the “cult of the colossal.” The Tennessee Valley Authority was far more than a measure to bring electrical power to rural areas. It symbolized the power of government planning and the war on private business.
@ Andre 2
Submitted by Snorri Godhi on Tue, 2006-09-26 15:17.
Canada and Cuba both believe in free universal healthcare, so naturally their governments are related, no?
Nobody believes in free universal health care. Castro believes in state-funded health care. Canada does not. In Canada, the provinces, not the Canadian government, are responsible for health insurance. And it IS insurance: it is paid for by insurance fees, not by general taxation.
@Godhi 4 (on Canada)
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Wed, 2006-09-27 15:45.
Canadian healthcare is provided by the provincial governments, however: (a) the provinces receive their tax money from Ottawa except for a small portion they collect directly, and (b) Ottawa directly chips in for healthcare.
The medical insurance premiums are merely token payments on a hugely subsidized service, which is 100% free if one's income is below the poverty line.
@ Andre
Submitted by Snorri Godhi on Tue, 2006-09-26 15:11.
Perhaps I missed your point yesterday. Are you trying to say that most Western governments were corporatist for most of the xx century? fine, as long as it's clear that fascism is center-left by modern standards.
Or are you trying to say that, while most of the West was Keynesian, only Mussolini and Hitler can properly be called corporatist? that's also fine, but it means that M+H were to the left of the West, in fact as far left as you can go without abolishing private property.
Personally, I think that the truth is somewhere in between, but I have no problem with either position.
BTW if you read the original Gordon article, you'll see that FDR did use some quasi-fascist methods. What Gordon does not say is how FDR managed to overrule even the Supreme Court.
comment
Submitted by markpetens on Tue, 2006-09-26 12:42.
"However, to call the New Deal Fascist, because of government intervention at a time when most governments were desperately trying to intervene and stave off Depression and possible socio-political upheaval, is a shortcut to thinking."
A shortcut to thinking is to say "that a government can intervene and stave off Depression," whilst it is that government which created the Depression in the first place. Only Keynesians believe that the American government did not create the Depression. But it does not stop there. The Smoot-Hawley tariffs for example, enacted during the Depression, only made things far worse.
@Godhi 3
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Tue, 2006-09-26 04:32.
This remains true whatever label one uses for their policies, and it goes to show that Reagan did not just defeat Communism: he also defeated American fascism.
Actually Roosevelt defeated "American Fascism" by supporting Great Britain against the Axis powers first covertly and then overtly. Fascist/National Socialist movements were powerful in Canada, the United States, and Great Britain e.g. Oswald Mosley and the B.U.F.
Nor did Reagan shrink the size of government spending; rather the amount increased and went towards military spending such as the SDI and re-activating WWII battleships (e.g. the USS Iowa). He did succeed in allowing for the rise of multinational corporations and conglomerates, entities that contradict true Capitalism.
Government spending in the West (as a % of GDP) has increased since 1945, and only Thatcher was able to slow it down. F.e. despite slurs like "Soviet Canuckistan," Canada's government spending is barely more per capita than the USA and yet its education and medical systems are immensely superior.
Early in his tenure, Reagan authorized a military-intelligence campaign to test Soviet defences, causing paranoia in the Eastern bloc and heightened war readiness, and bringing the world to the brink in 1983-84 (CIA).
But Reagan did not he defeat Communism: the Pope, nationalism(s), and energy costs had more to do with it.
@Godhi 2
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Tue, 2006-09-26 03:59.
Anyway, the point of the article is that there are obvious relationships between Mussolini, Hitler, and FDR - to which we can add the Swedish Social Democrats.
Actually you and the original author have failed to establish any significant link between Roosevelt, Mussolini, and Hitler. There is no examination or comparison of the policies of other important countries such as Canada, Great Britain, France, Japan - all of which more or less came to embrace Keynesian economics.
Governments in both the United States and Canada that opted to stay out of the economy were voted out of office. Roosevelt's reforms were necessary to: (a) jump-start the American economy, (b) prevent civil unrest as a result of the Depression, and (c) regulate the economy to combat corruption and make the free market a viable option.
Keynesianism remained the dominant school of thought in (free market) economics, allowing for the creation post-war of the welfare state. Indeed, when it runs well, there is no substitute for a regulated free market economy and a social safety net. Of course, national debt and the energy crisis of the 1970s demonstrated that state spending was over-emphasized.
Thus, lumping together Fascism, National Socialism, the New Deal, and Sweden's social democracy is a shortcut to thinking. Canada and Cuba both believe in free universal healthcare, so naturally their governments are related, no?
Mussolini, Hitler, and FDR
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Tue, 2006-09-26 03:18.
Mussolini, Hitler, and FDR were indeed Keynesian, i.e. they jump-started their economies, but it is simplistic to say that they were "just Keynesians". Mussolini re-organized the Italian economy with the objective to abolish all internal economic competition: Italy was to be united against other nations. The program of the National Socialist German Workers' Party shows clear socialist tendencies. I doubt that Keynes would have approved.
Corporatist is not the same as Keynesian
Submitted by Snorri Godhi on Mon, 2006-09-25 20:31.
Mussolini, Hitler, and FDR were indeed Keynesian, i.e. they jump-started their economies, but it is simplistic to say that they were "just Keynesians". Mussolini re-organized the Italian economy with the objective to abolish all internal economic competition: Italy was to be united against other nations. The program of the National Socialist German Workers' Party shows clear socialist tendencies. I doubt that Keynes would have approved.
Anyway, the point of the article is that there are obvious relationships between Mussolini, Hitler, and FDR - to which we can add the Swedish Social Democrats. This remains true whatever label one uses for their policies, and it goes to show that Reagan did not just defeat Communism: he also defeated American fascism.
Actually the idea was not unique to Germany, Italy, and America
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Mon, 2006-09-25 14:54.
Hitler and Mussolini were both Keynesians, as was Roosevelt. For those who don't know, John Maynard Keynes was a British economist who advocated government spending to jump-start the economy, an idea that prevailed until the oil crisis and increasing burden of national debt.
Every European and North American country adopted new strategies to deal with the Depression: isolation for the USSR, Keynesianism for everyone else.
And yes, many world leaders admired Italy and Germany's rise to power, just as they had commented in the 1920s and 1930s that Moscow was the "vision of the future." Indeed, Oswald Mosley's Fascists gained significant support in Great Britain, and Churchill made certain pro-Fascist comments.
However, to call the New Deal Fascist, because of government intervention at a time when most governments were desperately trying to intervene and stave off Depression and possible socio-political upheaval, is a shortcut to thinking.
Bottom line for Mr. Gordon: instead of comparing quotes, take at least one economics class at your local college.