Danish Muslims Divided over Cartoon Affair
From the desk of Hjörtur J. Guðmundsson on Sun, 2006-01-08 11:14
The public prosecutor in the Danish town of Viborg has dismissed charges by 11 Muslim organizations in Denmark against the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten for its publication of 12 cartoons depicting Muhammad (see them here) last September. Islam prohibits depictions of the Muslim prophet. The charges were brought forward in October. The public prosecutor said the publishing of the cartoons did not violate laws on religious or racial discrimination or on blasphemy. Legal experts say this was to be expected. However, the Muslim organizations are disappointed and are considering appealing to the State Prosecutor and even to the European Court of Human Rights.
Meanwhile some imams, Muslim intellectuals and representatives of Muslim organizations in Denmark have visited a number of Muslim countries to “explain” the matter to local political and religious leaders and media. Their “explanations” were biased and inaccurate. The Danish-Egyptian Dialog Center in Cairo says that after meeting with the Muslim representatives from Denmark the Egyptian press has claimed that Danish newspapers are waging a campaign against Islam, that Copenhagen plans to introduce a state censored version of the Koran, that a Danish film is underway „to show how horrible Islam is“, and that the matter involves 120 cartoons – not 12.
In an editorial on January 1 Jyllands Posten called this “absurd diplomacy” and wondered why the Danish imams were spreading such hatred towards Denmark. Their loyalty is obviously not to Denmark but to Islam. These visits have also caused controversy among Muslims in Denmark. Hadi Kahn, chairman of the Organization of Pakistani Students in Denmark (OPSA), stressed that the group travelling to the Muslim countries does not represent all Muslims in Denmark.
A number of Danish professors said that it may damage the cause of Muslims in Denmark to continue trying to raise international criticism on Denmark instead of using the Danish legal system. The purpose of these visits has been to increase international pressure on the Danish government, but the whole issue has already become a major international dispute involving the United Nations, the European Council, the European Union, the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, and the Arab League.
Most recently the Islamic Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (ISESCO) called upon its 51 member states to boycott Denmark unless the Danish government apologizes for the cartoons. Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said that he has no power over what the media publishes since Denmark recognizes freedom of expression and freedom of the press. In his New Year’s Speech Rasmussen once again stressed the importance of protecting freedom of expression, but also the importance of demonstrating mutual respect and understanding for others. The speech is usually only translated into English, but was now for the first time translated into Arabic because there was much interest from Arab countries. This was seen as a positive step towards easing the tensions.
Last Thursday, Foreign Minister Per Stig Møller phoned Amr Moussa, the Secretary General of the Arab League, in an attempt to ease tensions. The two men agreed that this situation needed to end. Moussa also accepted the Danish position that there should be a mutual respect between religions and that politicians should not interfere in what the media decide to publish.
Jihad Against Danish Paper, 22 October 2005
Cartoon Case Escalates into International Crisis, 27 October 2005
Out of the Iranian Frying Pan into the Danish Fire, 29 October 2005
Pigs Do Not Fly, 17 November 2005
Bounty Offered for Murdering Cartoonists, 4 December 2005
UN to Investigate Racism of Danish Cartoonists, 7 December 2005
Dispatch from the Eurabian Front, 9 December 2005
Europe Criticises Copenhagen over Cartoons, 21 December 2005
Cartoon Case: EU and UN Call Denmark to Account, 28 December 2005
Danish Cartoon Affair: Letter from a Muslim, 31 December 2005
Why Buy Paper? Read The Brussels Journal, 8 January 2006
Torquato Cardilli's, Italian ambassador
Submitted by peace on Sun, 2006-02-26 20:41.
The Western press and news agencies were attracted by Torquato Cardilli's, Italian ambassador to Saudi Arabia, conversion to Islam. Above we see a Reuters' report entitled "Rome's Envoy to Saudi Arabia Converts to Islam." Actually, Torquoato Cardilli was the second ambassador who converted to Islam. Before him, Ambassador Mario Scialoja also had converted to Islam. Having converted when he was Rome's permanent ambassador to the United Nations, Scialoja was later appointed ambassador to Saudi Arabia. Cardilli had spent many years in Muslim countries, and his conversion shows once again the rapid growth of Islam in Italy. About 1 million Muslims live in Italy and in the last two or three years about 5,000 people have converted.11. Reuters, November 26, 2001
The Daily Telegraph
Submitted by peace on Sun, 2006-02-26 20:17.
The April 30, 2001, edition of The Daily Telegraph published information about the turn to Islam, especially in England. While interviewing converts, the following picture emerged: Most of them have status in society, have strong family connections, and chose Islam after considerable research and study. For example, Joe Ahmed-Dobson, son of the former Minister of Health, was 16 years old when a friend gave him a copy of the Qur'an as a gift. In it, he says, he found the answers to all his questions. He officially accepted Islam at the age of 23, and was supported by his family in this decision. Apparently, his father gives him Islamic books as Christmas presents every year. Among recent converts in England are people like the son of John Birt, the former general director of BBC, and the daughter of Lord Justice Scott, a prominent judge. Over the past 20 years, an estimated 20,000 people in England have converted and, as in many other countries, the movement toward Islam has accelerated. According to the Manchester Mosque, after the events of 9/11, sixteen individuals accepted Islam there alone. One of the interesting things revealed by such research on converts is that far more women are turning to Islam. In America, one in four converts is a woman; in England, the figure is one in two.74
Muslims in England
(Above) The Queen's first time in a mosque, England has one of the densest Muslim populations. The English press often reports on Muslim issues. One of these special reports, "Special Report: Muslims in Britain," was posted on the BBC's Internet site. The Telegraph carried an article, "My dad buys me books about Islam,"on how English people accepted Islam. Women form the great majority of English converts.(Below) English women stream to Islam
It's pretty obvious that UK
Submitted by Balder on Sun, 2006-02-26 21:58.
It's pretty obvious that UK is soon a Muslim country ruled un the Sharia law. They have a anisemtic mayor in Londonistan, a Muslim biased press, a useless police force that protects Muslims from the law.
John Dominic
Submitted by peace on Sat, 2006-02-18 15:20.
A Comparative Analysis
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"Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself . . . " Robert G. Ingersoll
"God sacrificed his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their own sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but is an obcene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect out imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us." (page 145-146) and "Actually, the fact that we have four gospels lies at the very heart of our problem. Because we read particular parables or sayings or stories in several different versions, we can't miss the disagreements between them" (page 3-4), From "Who is Jesus" by John Dominic Crossan (35 years of searching for the historical Jesus and former Catholic priest)
Re John Dominic I am ever so pleased if that is you! A fan!
Submitted by A New Believer on Sat, 2006-02-18 19:00.
An interesting point John Dominic , I read your Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography in 1996. Are you still Professor Emeritus of Religious Studies, at De Paul University? I had trouble with Who killed Jesus, but I think that is because I inherited the guilt thing quite succinctly from my parent. You are talented ..I do not agree with everything you say, but then it does not make your writing any less intriguing as well as thought provoking.
If that is not you then I stand corrected, but if it is.. How delightful!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
u will never
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 16:26.
u dont hyavce a man and u will never u r liar...this is pure lies..if u were u would have mentioned that long time before i have known that.
a man wants a woman and that word doesnot even apply to u even for a second
Why is it that 15 minutes
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 16:40.
Why is it that 15 minutes into the day's ranting.. Israel always has to be brought in and it is then the Israelis, the USA fault of everything that has happened. The Palestinians are always portrayed as poor misunderstood people and we are all just vicious, cruel, evil people!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us
Re To U will ( This is how I KNOW you cannot read)
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 16:38.
Ohh dim bulb I told you that
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 16:32.
Ohh dim bulb I told you that last week I had a scandinavian male
"Part II Reply to Aman in Response to a New Believer!
Submitted by A New Believer on Sat, 2006-02-04 21:46.
An excerpt
boycotting.. No worries!.. I will eat your share also! Did I mention s the hams.. I know you do not eat ham! I am so glad.. because I have plans for the Danish hams I bought! hehehehe! Lego sets.. oh please.. I am going to try to make Lego sets a fantasy kingdom in this house. Whoa! I bought some for the kids as well. Sorry, cannot import a Danish guy,, have a Fantastic Swede! Gods I love those wonderful Nordic men! Hey but I did pass along to girlfriends the link to here.. And I have told them all that Danish men are great also! Norweigans too! well they already know about the cheeses..and the hams and the legos. So I am sure"
To U Will _ once again you really cannot read
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 16:40.
personal blog entry
France Soir Backs Down. Others Stand Firm Hjörtur Gudmundsson 58 1 week 4 days ago
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Ohh dim bulb I told you that
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 16:32.
Ohh dim bulb I told you that last week I had a scandinavian male
"Part II Reply to Aman in Response to a New Believer!
Submitted by A New Believer on Sat, 2006-02-04 21:46.
An excerpt
boycotting.. No worries!.. I will eat your share also! Did I mention s the hams.. I know you do not eat ham! I am so glad.. because I have plans for the Danish hams I bought! hehehehe! Lego sets.. oh please.. I am going to try to make Lego sets a fantasy kingdom in this house. Whoa! I bought some for the kids as well. Sorry, cannot import a Danish guy,, have a Fantastic Swede! Gods I love those wonderful Nordic men! Hey but I did pass along to girlfriends the link to here.. And I have told them all that Danish men are great also! Norweigans too! well they already know about the cheeses..and the hams and the legos. So I am sure"
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
to cody
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 16:19.
why i insult u .that i s not my attitude and never will be.
u are free to post and say whatever u want...also u are free to adopt whatever faith u like ..but u are not free to start shoting people with disgusting vulgar words like this slut is doing...
no she doesnot deserve that word woman at all . she is the one who starts insulting others with her vulgar tongue .
there is no point here being female or male.
if u found yourself insulted by a nasty woman in the street or in whatever and she was the starter will u be compassionate with her...
no compassionate of any vulgar ..
she doesnot care by the way.....and as i said this word means alot..
anyway i donot expect u to agree with me ...
Any Preferences for the
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 16:52.
Any Preferences for the Name?
Have to leave..two more chapters two write on the psychotic serial killer from cairo...I changed my book a pharmacist is so much better than flower seller I was using. Thank to the cairo pharmacists language skills I will simply be using them straight on in. I love making the characters sound authentic! Foaming and frothing at the mouth islamic fanatic, is going to sound so much better, than it would have without all the flavour. I do promise to give credit where it is due in the preface though! Have a nice day!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Re: O'Teachers. I know about
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 15:48.
Re: O'Teachers.
I know about wudu and ablution! But here it is in a nutshell. Stop proselytizing.. they do not care. They are not going to be muslim, in fact after all the speciuous and detrimental garbage that you have posted over the forum for almost the past two weeks I doubt you have done anything more than earn some enemies and certainly others who will never let you get close enough. The word is out. Disinformation is not working any longer!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save US!
Loaf of Bread
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 16:08.
****Yawn*** same old specious arguments!
Wake me when something is relevant to put on the table!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save US!
What about Saudi Arabia's
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 16:58.
What about Saudi Arabia's slavery issues? If you expect people to believe that even though they "technically and supposedly legallly outlawed it" , there are rumors that it still exists and is being carried on even unto today.? would you care to comment on that, without flying off the handle or getting weird, freaked out or maddened.
What of the reports of "white slavery" and the trafficking by muslim arabs with regard to western and asian women for sexual servitude? Any comments on that without loosing it as well?
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
word
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 15:26.
the word woman means a lot .i think u agree with me?...
u agree
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 15:24.
the point of view of taht slut doesnot concern me..
she is a slut ..is not she ...go an check her posts...
and i donot consider her a woman ....she is cheap slut and she made herself clear...
the word word means a lot .i think u agree with me?...
say tthat to her
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 15:21.
codyomega said..That doesnt mean I cant talk communicate respectfully.
ok u can say that to her better ....
of course she can handle anything as nothing can make her even blush
to cody
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 15:14.
and what benifit did u gain from knowing this informatiom?.
anyway i am here for many of teh reason u said
simply u ignore what this slut posts and the low standard language she uses...
the woman in my opinion must be soft ,tender not harsh ,aggresive, vulgar whose tongue is like tipsy . drunken man.
u can simply observe taht she start first with insulting ....iam not the man who insults anyone but this goes out of limits.
u can simply advise her to behave like a woman and if she cannot to shut her dripping rubbish mouth.
TO ALL MUSLIM MEN EVEYWHERE!
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 16:06.
I respond to the way I am treated. I spoke nicely before, posting, and was attacked. I responded and people were pissed because I had thoughts, words , and information that did not completely corrleate or jibe with theirs. I do not take shit from anyone.. not in my ethnic makeup so sorry. If you are looking to attack me racially, you really need to get in line and hold the mayonnaise on that slick sandwich, because it has been an over 500 year old struggle. And if I am not dead or crying about the Great White Father, then for certain I am not laying down to die for one of your lot! Come to think of it, I never saw any of you as white anyway, just another brown round with attitude. The constant umbrage and acidic demeanor because a mere female knows more or is not even remotely interested in what a man says or thinks 24/7, especially framed with in the guidelines of religion and politics, as well as islam. That you cannot take criticism and must be obeyed emphatically and blindly; that your intolerance is superceded only by your immense ignorance, that is why I rid myself of a lame arabic muslim husband. I will be soft, tender caring and loving to those I care to. The rest can twist in the wind. I do not have to kiss the ass of, or be subservient to any tiny mindeded little men from ANY muslim country or ANY tiny Minded Muslim males EVER AGAIN! I am sweet, soft and loving to my Scandinavian and believe me He Truly rules his castle. But that is by choice. I or any other woman on this earth or in the universe.. Does not have to do a DAMN thing she does not want to. If that emasculates or hinders you in anyway, then I suggest you keep your bums in your muslim countries; stay off the internet; definitely stay out of ANY western forum and talk amongst yourselves. Because the women in the west are not going to take this specious, inane, asine, purslane, pusillaminious garbage, bilgewater, and manure from you! Got it! Get it!
Oh and one more thing.. Scandinavian MEN they are the BOMB! NORDIC men! MAHVELOUS DAHLINGS SIMPLY MAHVELOUS! GO NORDERN!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
cody do u think
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 14:37.
do u think that this slut is a woman...
To Cody One thing I do know is!
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 14:42.
One thing I do know is:
I know that one is not a man!
You see you are a slut if you do not kiss an arab males ass, believe his lies, worship the religion and let yourself be walked over. IF you wake up or rebel.. you became a bad woman, evil and no good. But you do not have to worry about the men, because as long as you have superior fire power they will weep behind beuilding s like a pussy...cat!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
cody
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 14:31.
if u think that u will provoke me ..dont try.
i tell about myself what i want and when i want..it is not a puzzle Monsieur ...arabic countries are just one thing...they are 23 but no diferrance in any thing..
the same language ,the same religion, the same tradition and culture..
may later on u can deduce ..or may i tell u..
can u tell me what do u do for living?
this stupid thinks i am french...
To Cody
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 14:39.
Exactly on that he speaks the truth ..there are 23 muslim countries, and they all lie about many things. same religion, same culture and still it is the same lies!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
cairo
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 14:42.
i am an egyption pharmacist live in cairo...
arabic man
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 14:21.
i told u that me being a muslim is the most important thing but u did not grasp it.... am proud of being an arabic man and a muslim too...and i donot care where r u from ..and if u r so curious like this so why i satisfy u even for a moment...
tell that slut to bark away....
Not a slut and never going
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 14:36.
Not a slut and never going away from the forum. *shrugs* Someone has to tell them that you lie!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
je suis
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 14:04.
je suis un muslem que etait le tres important..et je suis un arab homme .
noire chienne
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:59.
dit a cette noire chienne qui connait bien...fermme ta pouch
garçon faux de brun de
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 14:12.
garçon faux de brun de couleur ! Le dit de vérifié de la fois passée I était rouge
Il a peur parce qu'il sait pas où ses ennemis se trouvent ? ils pourraient être le voisin, ou les ordureshomme des , l'épicier ? Comprenez ! Est-ce que pourrait-ce il être l'étudiant qui tape son téléphone ou est il la vieille parole de l'homme ah..will pas où ? Est-ce le vendeur de fleur qui poursuit ses étapes ? Il est paranoïde, il sait que les autres qu'ils connaissent. mais il ne sait pas qui il est ! Aucune matière, couvre-feu ne sonne pour lui...
Wrong colour brown boy! Last time I checkjed it was red!
He is afraid because he knows not where his enemies lie? they might be the neighbor, or the trashman, the grocer? Understand! Could it be the student who taps his phone or is it the elderly man ah..will not say where? Is it the flower seller who dogs his steps? He is paranoid, he knows the others they know.. but he does not know who it is! No matter, curfew rings for him...
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
pour vous
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:39.
allez prend cette mauvaise lesbien famme .elle voudrait un homme
Regardez pour vous
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:48.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha ah petit chien islame
réellement je pense que vous êtes chaud pour son corps, oui ! mais alors vous êtes vraiment un petit chien gai!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Re: Interessante! Sehr Interessante! Ja!
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:59.
Faites les ennemis, pour cela, que le chien devrait soulever et sa tête de ses boules et cesser d'enrouler à elles tellement dur. Il est sans importance, vraiment!
Make enemies, for that, that dog would have to lift his head from his balls and stop lapping at them so hard. He is of no consequence, truly!
So you do not have to work so hard translating hehehe!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
To CodyOmega
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 14:16.
I cannot tell you.. though to be sure..most arabs speak french after all the French ground their feet on their necks for a long time..so did the British! I suppose that is why they work so hard to kiss bum with the British so diligently, now with the French, it is a different story. They have been bombing French neighborhoods in for years.. Algerian, Tunisian, etc.
Ca ira! So it goes!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Re: Pour Vous
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:51.
Oh! I am neither jewish, though I did study, nor am I am a lesbian.. you need to do research and get your facts straight.. never seem to be able to do that can you!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
pour cody
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:53.
et pourquoi tu veux connaitre
women
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:19.
The Quran explicitly states that men and women are equal in the eyes of God. Furthermore, the Quran:
forbids female infanticide (practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia and other parts of the world)
instructs Muslims to educate daughters as well as sons
insists that women have the right to refuse a prospective husband
gives women rights if they are divorced by their husband
gives women the right to divorce in certain cases
gives women the right to own and inherit property (though in Sunni Islam they get only half of what men inherit. Men are expected to care for their mothers and any unmarried female relatives, and would, it is reasoned, need greater resources for this purpose.)
While polygyny is permissible, it is discouraged and on the whole practiced less frequently than imagined by Westerners. It is more frequent in the Gulf, including Saudi Arabia. Many Muslims cite the Quranic phrase "But treat them equally... and if you cannot, then one [wife] is better" and argue that monogamy is preferable, or even mandatory.
women in England
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:19.
Islam gives women a number of rights, some of which were not enjoyed by Western women until the 19th century. For example, until 1882, the property of women in England was given to their husbands when they married, but Muslim women always retained their own assets. Muslim women could specify conditions in their marriage contracts, such as the right to divorce should their husband take another wife. Also, Muslim women in many countries keep their own last name after marriage.
A peasant woman tending her sheep in Turkey [ enlarge ]
The Quran explicitly states that men and women are equal in the eyes of God. Furthermore, the Quran:
to those
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:34.
and why i satisfy your curosity for second....leave u burning with naturi karta group and the other jewish sites whcih disgust you till now...
Re; Orthodox Group not believing in the state of Israel
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:55.
I spoke of the orthodox jews living in israel who did not believe in the establishment of the state of israel a week ago... so you can read! Very good, too bad you have no original thoughts though!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
John Dominic Crossan (35 years of searching for the historical J
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:29.
Comparative Analysis
"Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself . . . " Robert G. Ingersoll
"God sacrificed his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their own sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but is an obcene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect out imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us." (page 145-146) and "Actually, the fact that we have four gospels lies at the very heart of our problem. Because we read particular parables or sayings or stories in several different versions, we can't miss the disagreements between them" (page 3-4), From "Who is Jesus" by John Dominic Crossan (35 years of searching for the historical Jesus and former Catholic priest)
Dr. Gary Miller
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:27.
Dr. Gary Miller (Abdul-Ahad Omar) - Former missionary
Gary Miller (Abdul-Ahad Omar) shows how we can establish true faith by setting standards of truth. He illustrates a simple but effective method of finding out the right direction in our search for truth.
G.R. Miller is a mathematician and a theologian. He was active in Christian missionary work at a particular point of his life but he soon began to discover many inconsistencies in the Bible. In 1978, he happened to read the Qur'an expecting that it, too, would contain a mixture of truth and falsehood.
He discovered to his amazement that the message of the Qur'an was precisely the same as the essence of truth that he had distilled from the Bible. He became a Muslim and since then has been active in giving public presentations on Islam including radio and television appearances. He is also the author of several articles and publications about Islam.
Re: Bob is OUr Leader Heheh!
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:47.
We are all space cadets..but we do not want islam and mo ham med as our commander!
You forgot:
?)When some of the glaring hypocricies of Islam and the muslim world are exposed you will be called a Nazi
( I have been called that...a lot)
new ditty for you..long ago Disney studios cam out with a movie about some children in France who got into a batch of mardi gras costumes and things.. and there was a horse that had no head:
"knight of the headless horse ..the headless horse ..the headless horse..knights of the healdless horse..the horse without a head" ah silly me at any rate they fouled the daring crime by some evil doers. I like the thought of that. See they did not truly have a leader but they all banded together.. to shut down the despicable ones! Makes you think eh!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
why jews reject christianity
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:20.
A Comparison of Judaism and Christianity
Judaism Christianity
G-d-centered, selfless Man-centered, selfish
Bible (5 books of Moses) written by G-d, with Moses as secretary New Testament written by man
G-d creates man in His image; thus man has a soul and free will Man creates G-d in his image; thus Jesus is declared to be a deity
Bible (Hebrew Scriptures) quotes G-d directly, in His own words, over 3800 times New Testament never quotes G-d a single time, other than quotes from the "Old Testament"
Man's purpose is to serve G-d through His Law -- the commandments G-d's purpose is to serve man by providing salvation -- for free
G-d's commandments are binding obligations G-d's Law is a nice idea, but it is only "fruits of the spirit," not a duty
Jews believe in the Bible because G-d said so (orally) Christians believe in G-d because the Bible tells them to
Jews study the Bible only according to the oral tradition received from G-d Christians interpret the Bible according to their own ideas and opinions
Jews believe in Moses because G-d gave him authority Christians believe in Jesus because he gave himself authority
G-d controls evil, using it to punish sinners and for other purposes The devil controls evil, using it to rebel against G-d
By doing G-d's commandments, man brings G-d closer Christians wait until G-d brings Himself closer to man before agreeing to do any good works
Man follows G-d's commandments according to G-d's own detailed instructions, whether or not it makes sense to man Man uses his own reasoning and interpretation to decide what are "good works" and what are not
Man transforms the world to reveal its Creator -- to bring G-d's eternal kingdom here on earth Man leaves the world behind, escaping earth to enjoy heaven
G-d creates and runs the world to serve Him Evil controls the world, which will ultimately be destroyed
Man has direct access to G-d through prayer and repentance; any mediator only gets in the way & blocks the relationship Man has no access to G-d except through a man (Jesus)
Doing G-d's commandments is a privilege & opportunity that provides true freedom G-d's law is a burden and a curse that enslaves and condemns man
G-d made eternal covenants -- 1 with Jews, 1 with gentiles -- and He keeps His promises G-d "changed His mind," throwing away the old covenant for a new one
http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:18.
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The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d. In Deuteronomy 13, G-d describes this false prophet as a member of the Jewish people (v. 2, 7) who would tell true prophecies and would have the power of miracles. G-d Himself would give this false prophet the power to perform miracles and reveal prophecy, but the false prophet would try to seduce the people away from G-d's Law and towards strange gods unknown to Judaism. The purpose would be to test whether we are truly committed to living under the Law, or whether we will be dazzled and fall for the temptation to join a false path to salvation (v. 3-6, 7-8, 11). In this Biblical passage, G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to kill this false prophet, lest the evil spread and destroy many souls.
To be accepted by the people, the false prophet would sometimes pretend to be a righteous Jew who fulfills the Law, but at key moments he would turn against certain details of the Law in order to make the breach (v. 6, 7). This is the reason that verse 1 commands us not to add or subtract any details from the Law, and verse 5 warns us to remain steadfast with all the traditions of the Law.
In Deuteronomy 17, this false prophet is also described as someone who would rebel against the authority of the judges of the Jewish people, and who should be put to death for his rebelliousness (v. 8-13, esp. v. 12). Who are the judges? The highest court in Israel was the Sanhedrin, which was established by Moses (Exodus 18:13-26; Numbers 11:16-29), and which lasted more than 15 centuries. The members of the Sanhedrin were the rabbis known as "Pharisees" (Pirushim, "those with the explanation"). G-d gave permanent authority to these judges to interpret the Law and G-d's Word, and it is a commandment to follow their decisions without turning even slightly to the right or the left (Deut. 17:11). But the false prophet would challenge the authority of the Sanhedrin, thus revealing himself to be an evil man.
In the book of the prophet Daniel, this false prophet is described as a king (the eleventh horn on a terrible beast) who would wage war against the Jews (the "holy ones"; see Deut. 14:2 on this term) and would change the Law including the calendar and the holidays (Daniel 7:8, 20-25). Elsewhere, this false prophet is described as a king who would disregard the G-d of his fathers, exalting himself as a god and giving honor to this new god-head (Daniel 11:36-39).
The man known today as "Jesus" fulfilled all these prophecies. He became a "king" (over the Christian church) who changed the original Law, doing away with the Hebrew calendar and the Biblical holidays (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkos the Festival of Tabernacles, Passover, etc.). He disregarded the one, infinite G-d of the Hebrew Bible in favor of a new "trinity" that included himself. And he repeatedly broke the Law by committing terrible sins, while openly challenging the G-d-given authority of the rabbis of the Sanhedrin.
Naturally, Jesus did sometimes pretend to respect the Law, but whenever he thought he could get away with it, he turned right around and broke that same Law. In Matthew 5:17-19, he declared that he came to fulfill the Law, and in Matthew 23:1-3 he defended the authority of the rabbis. But the rest of the time, he rebelled against the Law — thus showing that his occasional words of piety were meant only to hide his evil agenda. The following sins of Jesus are recorded in the "New Testament":
1) Jesus repudiated the laws of kosher food (Mark 7:18-19). [Compare this to the prophet Daniel's strict adherence to kashrus, in Daniel chapter 1.]
2) He repudiated the laws of honoring one's parents, and called on his followers to hate their parents; he also dishonored his own mother (Matthew 10:34-36; Matthew 12:46-50; Luke 14:26).
3) He violated the Sabbath by picking grain, and incited his disciples to do the same (Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-26).
4) He again violated the Sabbath by healing a man's arm, which was not a matter of saving a life, and he openly defied the rabbis in his total repudiation of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:9-13; Mark 3:1-5). [Compare this to G-d's view of violating the Sabbath, in Numbers 15:32-36, Nehemiah 10:30-32, and dozens of other places throughout the Bible.]
5) Jesus brazenly defied and disobeyed the rabbis of the Sanhedrin, repudiating their authority (This is recorded in many places throughout the New Testament, but look especially at Matthew 23:13-39 and John 8:44-45).
The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":
1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh — which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).
The false, rebellious message of Jesus has been thoroughly rejected by the vast majority of the Jewish people, as G-d commanded. Unfortunately, however, this same message has brought a terrible darkness upon the world; today, over 1.5 billion gentiles believe in Jesus. These lost souls mistakenly think they have found salvation in Jesus; tragically, they are in for a rude awakening. Truth and eternal life are found directly from G-d, through performing His Law. Any "mediator" only separates man from G-d:
1) "G-d is not a man, who can lie, nor the son of man, who relents... He has not beheld iniquity in Jacob, nor has He seen perverseness in Israel" (Numbers 23:19).
2) Speaking prophetically of the Christian church, Moses declared, "For their 'rock' is not like our Rock.… Where is their god, in whom they trusted?" (Deut. 32:31, 37).
3) "'See now that I, only I, am He, and there is no god with Me. I kill, and I bring to life; I wound, and I heal, and there is none who can rescue from My Hand.'… Sing songs of joy, gentiles, with His people, for He will avenge the blood of His servants, and will take vengeance on His enemies, and will forgive His land and His people" (Deut. 32:39, 43).
4) "I, only I am Hashem (the L-rd), and besides Me there is no savior" (Isaiah 43:11).
5) "I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god.… Is there a god besides Me? There is no rock; I do not know any" (Isaiah 44:6).
6) "Israel is saved in Hashem with an eternal salvation.… Assemble yourselves and come, come near together, you gentiles who have escaped [the judgment]. (They have no knowledge, those who carry wooden sculptures and who pray to a god that does not save.) Announce and bring near, even take counsel together: Who declared this from ancient times, and announced it from then? Is it not I, Hashem? And there are no other gods beside Me, nor any righteous and saving god other than Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all ends of the earth, for I am G-d and there is none else. By Myself I swore, a righteous word went out of my mouth and it will not be withdrawn, that to Me every knee will bow and every tongue will swear" (Isaiah 45:17, 20-23).
What is the true key to salvation? Those who return to the Law (the Seven Commandments for the Children of Noah, according to the eternal covenant made with Noah in Genesis 9) and who assist the Jewish people (Isaiah 60, 61, 66) will be saved and will participate in the miracles and revelations, including worshipping in the Third Temple, under the kingship of the Messiah. As described in many places, including Jeremiah 16:19-21 and Zechariah 8:20-23, all the old gentile religions of the world will disappear, and their followers will turn to the Jews for spiritual leadership. Until then, Christians are spiritually blinded, and cannot yet understand G-d's wisdom in the Bible.
Ours is the last generation of the era of sin and evil and the first of the Messianic Era. Indeed, for the first time in history, there is a growing consensus of leading rabbis willing to name the man most suited to be the Messiah, and they are agreeing that he is the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson. The Rebbe is the spiritual leader of our generation, having boldly stirred up controversy over vital issues in which other leaders have remained tragically silent or have even caved in to the growing forces of darkness. He has upheld the Law perfectly and has worked mightily to strengthen the observance of the Law by Jews, as well as the observance of the Noachide Law by gentiles. Through his teaching of chasidus (Jewish mystical teachings, preserved from Moses and Mount Sinai), he has taught the world that G-d is One, the Infinite Who renews creation at every moment. The Rebbe is a direct descendant of King David and has received a true prophecy from G-d that we who are alive in this generation shall be the first in history to see the coming of the true messiah. Many Jews are eagerly anticipating the Rebbe's resurrection from the grave, ready to re-establish the Sanhedrin and anoint the king.
Our job is to finish preparing the way, by announcing the truth and bringing all of mankind back to the Law immediately. Through our divinely mandated efforts, we shall now clear the path for the return of the Garden of Eden and the establishment of the eternal sinless world promised by Isaiah and the other Biblical prophets.
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look how jews laugh at u all fool
A Comparison of Judaism and Christianity
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:15.
A Comparison of Judaism and Christianity
Judaism Christianity
G-d-centered, selfless Man-centered, selfish
Bible (5 books of Moses) written by G-d, with Moses as secretary New Testament written by man
G-d creates man in His image; thus man has a soul and free will Man creates G-d in his image; thus Jesus is declared to be a deity
Bible (Hebrew Scriptures) quotes G-d directly, in His own words, over 3800 times New Testament never quotes G-d a single time, other than quotes from the "Old Testament"
Man's purpose is to serve G-d through His Law -- the commandments G-d's purpose is to serve man by providing salvation -- for free
G-d's commandments are binding obligations G-d's Law is a nice idea, but it is only "fruits of the spirit," not a duty
Jews believe in the Bible because G-d said so (orally) Christians believe in G-d because the Bible tells them to
Jews study the Bible only according to the oral tradition received from G-d Christians interpret the Bible according to their own ideas and opinions
Jews believe in Moses because G-d gave him authority Christians believe in Jesus because he gave himself authority
G-d controls evil, using it to punish sinners and for other purposes The devil controls evil, using it to rebel against G-d
By doing G-d's commandments, man brings G-d closer Christians wait until G-d brings Himself closer to man before agreeing to do any good works
Man follows G-d's commandments according to G-d's own detailed instructions, whether or not it makes sense to man Man uses his own reasoning and interpretation to decide what are "good works" and what are not
Man transforms the world to reveal its Creator -- to bring G-d's eternal kingdom here on earth Man leaves the world behind, escaping earth to enjoy heaven
G-d creates and runs the world to serve Him Evil controls the world, which will ultimately be destroyed
Man has direct access to G-d through prayer and repentance; any mediator only gets in the way & blocks the relationship Man has no access to G-d except through a man (Jesus)
Doing G-d's commandments is a privilege & opportunity that provides true freedom G-d's law is a burden and a curse that enslaves and condemns man
G-d made eternal covenants -- 1 with Jews, 1 with gentiles -- and He keeps His promises G-d "changed His mind," throwing away the old covenant for a new one
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Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:18.
Thank you KungfuMaster..can they play my rap song please!
Peace out!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:05.
CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY (back)
The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination.
A. GOD AS THREE?
The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks God into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).
Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God's One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies.
In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry -- one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert.
B. MAN AS GOD?
Roman Catholics believe that God came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
Maimonides devotes most of the "Guide for the Perplexed" to the fundamental idea that God is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that God assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).
Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the Messiah. (see Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3)
C. INTERMEDIARY FOR PRAYER?
The Catholic belief is that prayer must be directed through an intermediary -- i.e. confessing one's sins to a priest. Jesus himself is an intermediary, as Jesus said: "No man cometh unto the Father but by me."
In Judaism, prayer is a totally private matter, between each individual and God. As the Bible says: "God is near to all who call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18). Further, the Ten Commandments state: "You shall have no other gods BEFORE ME," meaning that it is forbidden to set up a mediator between God and man. (see Maimonides - Laws of Idolatry ch. 1)
D. INVOLVEMENT IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD
Catholic doctrine often treats the physical world as an evil to be avoided. Mary, the holiest woman, is portrayed as a virgin. Priests and nuns are celibate. And monasteries are in remote, secluded locations.
By contrast, Judaism believes that God created the physical world not to frustrate us, but for our pleasure. Jewish spirituality comes through grappling with the mundane world in a way that uplifts and elevates. Sex in the proper context is one of the holiest acts we can perform.
The Talmud says if a person has the opportunity to taste a new fruit and refuses to do so, he will have to account for that in the World to Come. Jewish rabbinical schools teach how to live amidst the bustle of commercial activity. Jews don't retreat from life, we elevate it.
For 2,000 years, Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:04.
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For 2,000 years, Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah. Why?
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It is important to understand why Jews don't believe in Jesus. The purpose is not to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position. The more data that's available, the better-informed choices people can make about their spiritual path.
JEWS DO NOT ACCEPT JESUS AS THE MESSIAH BECAUSE:
Intro: (What exactly is the Messiah?)
1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
At the end of this article, we will examine these additional topics:
5) Christianity contradicts Jewish theology
6) Jews and Gentiles
7) Bringing the Messiah
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The Messiah will bring peace to the world.
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:48.
The Messiah will bring back all Jews to the proper understanding of how to serve Hashem and how to fulfill ourselves spiritually. The Messiah will rebuild the Holy Temple (or else it will be rebuilt just before he comes). The Messiah will bring back all Jews to the Land of Israel, with joy and hope. And he will do all this on the first try.
The Messiah has not yet come.
The Torah has *NO* prophecies that can be correctly considered as proving that jesus was the Messiah. Quite the contrary. A proper and careful study of all the verses in question shows that jesus could *NOT* have been the Messiah. (If you wish to research this matter, click here for a page that lists some websites that deal with this subject. Do not email me to try and convince me, because you will simply be wasting my time and yours.)
What does Judaism Believe?
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:47.
What does Judaism Believe?
A. Well, like all things in Judaism, I can't answer that in one sentence. With Hashem's help, I will tell you some of the most basic beliefs of Judaism, which you can use as a starting point. (And please see my FAQ pages as well).
Judaism believes that the Creator is the Only Creator, and the Only Controller. The Creator is the true One and Only Power, the true Source.
There is only One G-d. G-d is the Creator. We often use the Name "Hashem," when referring to the Creator.
The Creator is only One. The Creator is not one of two, nor one of three. The Creator is not one of a species, not one of a type, nor one of a family or group. There are no other true gods. There are other things that have power, but none of them are G-d, and none of them are like G-d. (Sometimes they are called by the term "gods," because in Hebrew that word means "something that has powers," or "something that has might." Therefore, even a powerful warrior could be called by the Hebrew word for god.)
There are no other beings like the Creator.
The Creator has no parts, limbs, sections, or anything like that. The Creator is unique. There is nothing in all of Creation or anywhere else (if there is an anywhere else) that can be compared to the Creator. The Torah uses anthropomorphic terms only so that we can understand what we are being taught, but not to literally describe the Creator. The Torah uses masculine terms to describe the Creator because there is no neuter gender in Hebrew.
The Creator cannot die. The Creator cannot suffer, and the Creator cannot bleed. The Creator is not a man, and no human can be G-d. The Creator cannot be hanged on a cross to die, or flogged like a criminal.
The Torah also teaches that the Creator does not change (Malachi 3:6).
The Creator does not have a mediator, nor does the Creator need a mediator. Furthermore, humanity does not need a mediator to have a relationship with the Creator.
Therefore, Jews pray only to the Creator. It is not proper to pray to anyone or anything else, nor is it permissible to pray through anyone else. And it will always be forbidden. It would be forbidden even if that thing or person had the ability to grant what you ask for.
The Creator is merciful. The Creator receives and cherishes to every prayer said to Him
Re: What is Judaism! Oy Vez Mir! What a Nudge!
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:09.
Ribbonoh Ribboneh Shel Olom! Maker of the Universe! He preaches Judaism now and has no idea what the Hassidim call you! Hahaha! I studied very well, and my Agrippa also!
Rebbe Moses ben Maimonides ( told this story often, it has become a classic of Judaic pilpul)
One of the finest Judaic minds in all history once when asked to tell all he knew about Judaism by a hateful pagan who was against all jews said: Tell me all you know about Judaism while standing on one leg. the leaned Rebbe said "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow man. That is the Torah. The rest is commentary. Go learn it."
My source:
Rabbi Moses ben Maimonides
Moses ben Maimun (Arabic, Abu Amran Musa), Jewish commentator and philosopher, was born of Spanish Jewish parents at Cordova in 1135. After sojourning with his parents in Spain, Palestine, and Northern Africa, he settled down at Old Cairo, Egypt, in 1165. There he received the office of court physician, and at the same time, as head of the Jewish communities in Egypt, devoted himself to the exposition of the Talmud. He died at Cairo, 13 December, 1204, and was buried at Tiberias in Palestine. His writings include: (1) Commentaries: (a) "Kitáb alSiraj", a commentary on the Mishnah, written in Arabic and translated into Hebrew (first published 1492), Latin (Oxford, 1654), and German (Leipzig, 1863); (b) "Mishneh Torah", or "Yad haHazakah", written in Hebrew, and many times published (first ed. in Italy, 1480; latest, Vilna, 1900); translated in part into English in 1863 by Bernard and Soloweyczik; (2) Philosophical Works: (a) "Dalalat alHa’irîn", translated into Hebrew as "Moreh Nebûkîm" (1204), and into Latin as "Doctor Perplexorum", "Dux Dubitantium". The Arabic Original was published, with a French translation entitled "Guide des égarés" by Munk (13 vols., Paris, 1856-66). An English translation of portion of it by Townley appeared as "The Reasons of the Laws of Moses" (London, 1827), and a version of the whole work under the title "The Guide of the Perplexed" by Friedländer (London, 1889); (b) Minor Philosophical Works: "On the Unity of God", "On Happiness", "On the Terminology of Logic", "On Resurrection" etc.; (3) Medical and Astronomical Works: Several treatises on poisons, on hygiene, a commentary on Hippocrates, on the astronomical principles of the Jewish calendar etc.
Through the "Guide of the Perplexed" and the philosophical introductions to sections of his commentaries on the Mishna, Maimonides exerted a very important influence on the Scholastic philosophers, especially on Albert the Great, St. Thomas, and Duns Scotus. He was himself a Jewish Scholastic. Educated more by reading the works of the Arabian philosophers than by personal contact with Arabian teachers, he acquired through the abundant philosophical literature in the Arabic language an intimate acquaintance with the doctrines of Aristotle, and strove earnestly to reconcile the philosophy of the Stagirite with the teachings of the Bible. The principle which inspired all his philosophical activity was identical with the fundamental tenet of Scholasticism: there can be no contradiction between the truths which God has revealed and the findings of the human mind in science and philosophy. Moreover, by science and philosophy he understood the science and philosophy of Aristotle. In some important points, however, he departed from the teaching of the Aristotelean text, holding, for instance, that the world is not eternal, as Aristotle taught, but was created ex nihilo, as is taught explicitly in the Bible. Again, he rejected the Aristotelean doctrine that God's provident care extends only to humanity, and not to the individual. But, while in these important points, Maimonides forestalled the Scholastics and undoubtedly influenced them, he was led by his admiration for the neo-Platonic commentators and by the bent of his own mind, which was essentially Jewish, to maintain many doctrines which the Scholastics could not accept. For instance, he pushed too far the principle of negative predication in regard to God. The Scholastics agreed with him that no predicate is adequate to express the nature of God, but they did not go so far as to say that no term can be applied to God in the affirmative sense. They admitted that while "eternal", "omnipotent", etc., as we apply them to God, are inadequate, at the same time we may say "God is eternal" etc., and need not stop, as Moses did, with the negative "God is not not-eternal", etc.
The most characteristic of all his philosophical doctrines is that of acquired immortality. He distinguishes two kinds of intelligence in man, the one material in the sense of being dependent on, and influenced by, the body, and the other immaterial, that is, independent of the bodily organism. The latter is a direct emanation from the universal active intellect (this is his interpretation of the noûs poietikós of Aristotelean philosophy), and is acquired as the result of the efforts of the soul to attain a knowledge of the absolute, pure intelligence of God. The knowledge of God is, therefore, the knowledge which, so to speak, develops in us the immaterial intelligence, and thus confers on man an immaterial or spiritual nature. This immateriality not only confers on the soul that perfection in which human happiness consists, but also endows the soul with immortality. He who has attained a knowledge of God has reached a condition of existence which renders him immune from all the accidents of fortune, from all the allurements of sin, and even from death itself. Man, therefore, since he has it in his power to attain this salutary knowledge, is in a position not only to work out his own salvation, but also to work out his own immortality. The resemblance between this doctrine and Spinoza's doctrine of immortality is so striking as to warrant the hypothesis that there is a casual dependence of the later on the earlier doctrine. The difference between the two Jewish thinkers is, however, as remarkable as the resemblance. While Spinoza teaches that the way to attain the knowledge which confers immortality is the progress from sense-knowledge through scientific knowledge to philosophical intuition of all things sub specie æternitatis, Moses holds that the road to perfection and immortality is the path of duty as described in the Law of God.
Among the theological questions which Moses discussed were the nature of prophecy and the reconciliation of evil with the goodness of God. He agrees with "the philosophers" in teaching that, man's intelligence being one in the series of intelligences emanating from God, the prophet must, by study and meditation, lift himself up to the degree of perfection required in the prophetic state. But here he invokes the authority of "the Law", which teaches that, after that perfection is reached, there is required the free act of God before the man actually becomes the prophet. In his solution of the problem of evil, he follows the neoPlatonists in laying stress on matter as the source of all evil and imperfection.
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
women
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:45.
Ruqaiyyah Waris Maqsood
Author of some forty books on Islam and other subjects. She gained her honours degree in Christian Theology at the University of Hull in 1963, and Post Graduate Teaching Certificate in 1964, with distinctions in theory and practice. Her professional life was spent as Head of Religious Studies at various tough UK inner city secondary schools, until she retired in 1996, to concentrate on writing and lecturing. She has since made the GCSE course in Islamic Studies available to students and converts to Islam of all ages, especially to those who have not had the opportunity to study it at school.
She grew up a devout Christian, but converted to Islam in 1986. Already established by then as an author of books on Christian and educational topics, she has since devoted her time to writing on Islam and doing dawah (explaining the faith) work to both Christian and Muslim audiences. She regularly addresses school and church groups, explaining Islam and educating in the basics of Islam, with a keen interest in presenting Islam as a world faith. She strives to raise the awareness both of non-Muslims and also of born Muslims of the traditional immigrant ethnic backgrounds living in the UK, that these numerous varieties of cultural backgrounds, tastes and emphases are all part of Islam, including cultures that are not limited to the Middle East, the Indian subcontinent and North Africa.
Ruqaiyyah is an outspoken moderate Muslim, whose main interests lie in the Madinah period, the genealogy of the Prophet and his companions, and the importance of re-establishing good relationships between the Peoples of the Book (ie. Muslims, Jews and Christians – who all worship the same One True God and follow the same chain of revelation) as opposed to rather ignorant hostility. Eve more important, perhaps, is the battle to preserve the true faith of Islam - tolerant, noble, and compassionate - in face of the growth of the 'other Islam' which is extremist and intolerant, and which she regards as both false and dangerous.
For more information on Ruqaiyyah Waris' work click here
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(Sources: Ruqaoyyah Waris website; http://members.aol.com/Ruqaiyyah/)
Michael Wolfe
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:42.
Michael Wolfe
After twenty-five years as a writer in America, I wanted something to soften my cynicism. I was searching for new terms by which to see. The way one is raised establishes certain needs in this department. From a pluralist background, I naturally placed great stress on the matters of racism and freedom. Then, in my early twenties, I had gone to live in Africa for three years. During this time, which was formative for me, I did rubbed shoulders with blacks of many different tribes, with Arabs, Berbers, and even Europeans, who were Muslims. By and large these people did not share the Western obsession with race as a social category. In our encounters being oddly coloured rarely mattered. I was welcomed first and judged on merit later. By contrast, Europeans and Americans, including many who are free of racist notions, automatically class people racially. Muslims classified people by their faith and their actions. I found this transcendent and refreshing. Malcolm X saw his nation’s salvation in it. “America needs to understand Islam,” he wrote, “because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem”.
I was looking for an escape route, too, from the isolating terms of a materialistic culture. I wanted access to a spiritual dimension, but the conventional paths I had known as a boy were closed. My father had been a Jew; my mother Christian. Because of my mongrel background, I had a foot in two religious camps. Both faiths were undoubtedly profound. Yet the one that emphasizes a chosen people I found insupportable; while the other, based in a mystery, repelled me. A century before, my maternal great-great-grandmother’s name had been set in stained glass at the high street Church of Christ in Hamilton, Ohio. By the time I was twenty, this meant nothing to me.
These were the terms my early life provided. The more I thought about it now, the more I returned to my experiences in Muslim Africa. After two return trips to Morocco, in 1981 and 1985, I came to feel that Africa, the continent, had little to do with the balanced life I found there. It was not, that is, a continent I was after, nor an institution, either. I was looking for a framework I could live with, a vocabulary of spiritual concepts applicable to the life I was living now. I did not want to “trade in” my culture. I wanted access to new meanings.
After a mid-Atlantic dinner I went to wash up in the bathroom. During my absence a quorum of Hasidim lined up to pray outside the door. By the time I had finished, they were too immersed to notice me. Emerging from the bathroom, I could barely work the handle. Stepping into the aisle was out of the question.
I could only stand with my head thrust into the hallway, staring at the congregation’s backs. Holding palm-size prayer books, they cut an impressive figure, tapping the texts on their breastbones as they divined. Little by little the movements grew erratic, like a mild, bobbing form of rock and roll. I watched from the bathroom door until they were finished, then slipped back down the aisle to my seat.
We landed together later that night in Brussels. Reboarding, I found a discarded Yiddish newspaper on a food tray. When the plane took off for Morocco, they were gone.
I do not mean to imply here that my life during this period conformed to any grand design. In the beginning, around 1981, I was driven by curiosity and an appetite for travel. My favourite place to go, when I had the money, was Morocco. When I could not travel, there were books. This fascination brought me into contact with a handful of writers driven to the exotic, authors capable of sentences like this, by Freya Stark:
The perpetual charm of Arabia is that the traveller finds his level there simply as a human being; the people’s directness, deadly to the sentimental or the pedantic, like the less complicated virtues; and the pleasantness of being liked for oneself might, I think, be added to the five reasons for travel given me by Sayyid Abdulla, the watchmaker; “to leave one’s troubles behind one; to earn a living; to acquire learning; to practise good manners; and to meet honourable men”.
I could not have drawn up a list of demands, but I had a fair idea of what I was after. The religion I wanted should be to metaphysics as metaphysics is to science. It would not be confined by a narrow rationalism or traffic in mystery to please its priests. There would be no priests, no separation between nature and things sacred. There would be no war with the flesh, if I could help it. Sex would be natural, not the seat of a curse upon the species. Finally, I did want a ritual component, daily routine to sharpen the senses and discipline my mind. Above all, I wanted clarity and freedom. I did not want to trade away reason simply to be saddled with a dogma.
The more I learned about Islam, the more it appeared to conform to what I was after.
Most of the educated Westerners I knew around this time regarded any strong religious climate with suspicion. They classified religion as political manipulation, or they dismissed it as a medieval concept, projecting upon it notions from their European past.
It was not hard to find a source for their opinions. A thousand years of Western history had left us plenty of fine reasons to regret a path that led through so much ignorance and slaughter. From the Children’s Crusade and the Inquisition to the transmogrified faiths of nazism and communism during our century, whole countries have been exhausted by belief. Nietzsche’s fear, that the modern nation-state would become a substitute religion, have proved tragically accurate. Our century, it seemed to me, was ending in an age beyond belief, which believers inhabited as much as agnostics.
Regardless of church affiliation, secular humanism is the air westerners breathe, the lens we gaze through. Like any world view, this outlook is pervasive and transparent. It forms the basis of our broad identification with democracy and with the pursuit of freedom in all its countless and beguiling forms. Immersed in our shared preoccupations, one may easily forget that other ways of life exist on the same planet.
At the time of my trip, for instance, 650 million Muslims with a majority representation in forty-four countries adhered to the formal teachings of Islam. In addition, about 400 million more were living as minorities in Europe, Asia and the Americas. Assisted by postcolonial economics, Islam has become in a matter of thirty years a major faith in Western Europe. Of the world’s great religions, Islam alone was adding to its fold.
My politicized friends were dismayed by my new interest. They all but universally confused Islam with the machinations of half a dozen middle eastern tyrants. The books they read, the new broadcasts they viewed depicted the faith as a set of political functions. Almost nothing was said of its spiritual practice. I liked to quote Mae West to them: “Anytime you take religion for a joke, the laugh’s on you”.
Historically a Muslim sees Islam as the final, matured expression of an original religion reaching back to Adam. It is as resolutely monotheistic as Judaism, whose major Prophets Islam reveres as links in a progressive chain, culminating in Jesus and Muhammad. Essentially a message of renewal, Islam has done its part on the world stage to return the forgotten taste of life’s lost sweetness to millions of people. Its book, the Qur’an, caused Goethe to remark, “You see, this teaching never fails; with all our systems, we cannot go, and generally speaking no man can go, further”.
Traditional Islam is expressed through the practice of five pillars. Declaring one’s faith, prayer, charity, and fasting are activities pursued repeatedly throughout one’s life. Conditions permitting, each Muslim is additionally charged with undertaking a pilgrimage to Mecca once in a lifetime. The Arabic term for this fifth rite is Hadj. Scholars relate the word to the concept of kasd, “aspiration,” and to the notion of men and women as travellers on earth. In Western religions pilgrimage is a vestigial tradition, a quaint, folkloric concept commonly reduced to metaphor. Among Muslims, on the other hand, the hadj embodies a vital experience for millions of new pilgrims every year. In spite of the modern content of their lives, it remains an act of obedience, a profession of belief, and the visible expression of a spiritual community. For a majority of Muslims the hadj is an ultimate goal, the trip of a lifetime.
As a convert I felt obliged to go to Makkah. As an addict to travel I could not imagine a more compelling goal.
The annual, month-long fast of Ramadan precedes the hadj by about one hundred days. These two rites form a period of intensified awareness in Muslim society. I wanted to put this period to use. I had read about Islam; I had joined a Mosque near my home in California; I had started a practice. Now I hoped to deepen what I was learning by submerging myself in a religion where Islam infuses every aspect of existence.
I planned to begin in Morocco, because I knew that country well and because it followed traditional Islam and was fairly stable. The last place I wanted to start was in a backwater full of uproarious sectarians. I wanted to paddle the mainstream, the broad, calm water.
(Source: http://www.geocities.com/embracing_islam/wolfe.htm)
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hahah
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:39.
hahahhh . you poor peopel u really make me laugh islam is the fast growing religion n the world...
go and revise again previous posts by charles and open you rmind welll.....
islam is the religion of british lords and elite britons..
lord headly ...
go an dread about ist brotish journy to macca to perform pilgrimage ...
Elites
Submitted by Bob Doney on Thu, 2006-02-16 15:21.
islam is the religion of some british lords and a few elite britons
Some of these worthy folk were Muslims all their lives, and some converted.
The British are very tolerant and hospitable people. Poles are the flavour of the month now. Very good, hard-working folk in general. It's hilarious that most of the member countries of the EU strive to keep them out. They don't know what they're missing.
Bob Doney
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/mission.cfm
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:32.
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/mission.cfm
OUR MISSION( nautori karta) jews against zionism
Judaism is the faith of the Jewish people. It is predicated upon G-d's existence and His revelation at Sinai.
At Sinai, in the presence of the assembled multitudes of Jews, recently released via Divine miracles from Egypt, the Creator revealed His Torah to the nation.
This Torah contains the basic doctrines of our faith, Divine commandments and the narrative of the earliest Jewish and general human encounter with G-d.
Throughout the centuries Jews pledged their assent to this Torah even when their lives were at stake. They maintained this loyalty with almost unanimous allegiance until the dawn of the modern age. In the three hundred - odd years since the so - called Enlightenment began, Jews and Gentiles throughout European civilization have been losing many souls to its evil clutches.
Today unfortunately there are many Jews who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of, and fail to, practice the basics of their faith. This is a great tragedy for many reasons. Perhaps paramount among them is the falsification of Judaism that results when those unaware of its basic assumptions speak to the general public.
It behooves all Jews loyal to their faith to proclaim to the world the truths of Judaism in as lucid a manner as possible.
Neturei Karta International is dedicated to the propagation and clarification of Torah Judaism.
Its only loyalty is to G-d and His revelation.
One of the basics of Judaism is that we are a people in exile due to Divine decree.
Accordingly, we are opposed to the ideology of Zionism, a recent innovation, which seeks to force the end of exile. Our banishment from the Holy Land will end miraculously at a time when all mankind will unite in the brotherly service of the Creator.
In addition to condemning the central heresy of Zionism, we also reject its policy of aggression against all peoples. Today this cruelty manifests itself primarily in the brutal treatment of the Palestinian people. We proclaim that this inhuman policy is in violation of the Torah.
NKI seeks peace and reconciliation with all peoples and nations. This is especially needed in our relations towards the Islamic world where Zionism has for 53 years done so much to ruin Jewish - Muslim understanding.
http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/palestine/support.cfm
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:30.
IN SUPPORT OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE
We seek the return of all Palestinian refugees to their rightful land.
We seek to live in the land of Palestine as anti Zionist Jews. To reside as loyal and peaceful Palestinian citizens, in peace and harmony with our Muslim Brethren. Just as our ancestors lived in Palestine for centuries before the usurpations of this tragic century.
Jews are not allowed
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:27.
Jews are not allowed to dominate, kill, harm or demean another people and are not allowed to have anything to do with the Zionist enterprise, their political meddling and their wars.
Neturei Karta forbid any participation with the so-called "State of Israel" or any of its subsidiaries. Neturei Karta followers do not participate in "Israeli" elections nor do they accept any aid from "Bituach Le'Umi" (Social Security), and the educational institutions of the Neturei Karta reject any form of financial support from the so-called "Va'ad HaYeshivos" (equiv. to Department of Education).
The Zionist state employs a set of chief rabbis and uses religious parties to ornament their state with a clerical image. They study the Torah with commentaries altered to clothe the words with nationalistic nuances. Our rabbis have countless times proclaimed that it matters little which individuals or parties govern in the Zionist state because the very establishment and existence of the state itself is to be condemned and to be deplored.
The true Jews remain faithful to Jewish belief and are not contaminated with Zionism.
The true Jews are against dispossessing the Arabs of their land and homes. According to the Torah, the land should be returned to them.
WHAT IS THE NETUREI KARTA?1
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:26.
http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/index.cfm
The group was founded in Jerusalem, Palestine in 1938, splitting off from Agudas Yisroel. Agudas Yisroel was established in 1912 for the purpose of fighting Zionism. Gradually lured by money and honor they sold out to the "Golden-Calf" (see Exodus, XXXII) of Zionism. Those who wanted to maintain their faith and continue the struggle against Zionism, dissociated themselves from Agudas Yisroel and associated parties.
Neturei Karta oppose the so-called "State of Israel" not because it operates secularly, but because the entire concept of a sovereign Jewish state is contrary to Jewish Law.
All the great rabbis who in accordance with Jewish Law opposed Zionism at its inception did not do so merely due to consideration of the secular lifestyles of the then Zionist leaders or even for their opposition to Torah heritage and rejection of its values and practices, but due to the fact that the entire concept of a Jewish state is in direct conflict with a number of Judaism's fundamentals.
http://www.nkusa.org/ jews against zionist
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:22.
jews against israel
http://www.nkusa.org/
donot bother yourself guys
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:19.
donot really bother yourself try to emitate me..who are those people u claim left islam ..
no one known or famous personality .
no professores ..no religious men like those priests an dnuns nothing..
no embassadors like the two italian embassadors who converted to islam...no thing...so donot bother yourself.....
your case is loser
Please no one imitate that
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:52.
Please no one imitate that sick fool, because
1) he cannot spell worth a damn!
2) his converts are all shit people anyway
3) NOBODY CARES
4) he and MOhammed can kiss our ass!
Odin be Praised Baldur Save Us!
To Blind, Deaf & Satanic Muslims!
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:40.
ADORE
A Divine Operating Religion of Excellence
Harken High. All Eyes Only.
Adoration is Operation of
Questions and Answers with
Majesty, Class and Pride.
Majesty is Eternal Good Humor born of
Mastery of
Songs of Sin and Hidden Joy.
Sin is Sin Song.
Sin Song is To Sing another Source Done Wrong Song.
Sin Song is not Sin as long as it is just Song.
Class is an Attitude.
That ALL shouuld live Forever and Be My Friend.
Cool is the Ability to Maintain Class.
Desire is Sovereign.
Pride is Operating Craftsmanship of Class.
Majesty is the Sovereign Desire that
Desire not be Sovereign for a While.
Power stems from Operating Majesty.
And then there is your religion...
islam as a void, a black hole of eternal nothingness.. spread by an illiterate camel herding, pedophilic, mother figure fixated, warmongering idiot
Saying that you are misbelievers; that do not serve what we serve; nor will we serve what you serve; we have our religions, and you are left withwhatever you feel to call your whatever it is...so take it back to you know where and stay there!
To bad they cannot be teleported to a "black hole" somewhere in another universe. Maybe they could run into the "borg!" That would be true poetic justice! Live Long and Prosper!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Stop quoting Talmudic
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:28.
Stop quoting Talmudic Studies! You do not even believe in them.. stop lying... just say no to Islam ( a bad hallucenogenic drug)
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Re: New Lie for New War,
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 13:43.
Bimhera Beyimehnu yirkav allai ya Masiach
"and speedily in our days shall come the Messiah"
You wish it was true.
How on earth or heaven can you quote Zionist scripture when you hate them. Ah yes, it serves its purpose at the moment. You can lie to them..but you cannot lie to me..I know you people.
You are liken unto an evil cancer that metases throughout a healthy organism.
You people are the disciplines of Shaitan!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Re: Ex Wife Hahaha I
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 15:35.
Re: Ex Wife Hahaha I DIVORCED HIM!
See once again YOu have it all wrong, I DIVORCED HIM,cited all his playpals in the suit as well, and I PAID the attorney for the divorce. Best money I ever spent.
I do not hate muslims! Though I do not like, trust or want them around in my area because they are intolerant, thieving, lying, hypocritical, sanctimonious, zealotous fanatics, with delusions of grandeur. By the way..he does not have another wife..muslim or not! HE is bisexual and goes where ever he can go. He was always bisexual and he always was a pervert. Separate bedrooms you simply have to love them, you do not have to see it all, you can hear it all though. One last thing, islam is not perfect. I cannot stand the koran or the quran, it makes for great fantasy reading with some bon bons. I do not care for the prophet Mo hammed and I have just made some cartoons myself.. IF I can find someone who will print them.. I will send them to you! whooo hooo! Art is a religion unto itself.
Lastly.. the only thing you can do is come back with miniscule hubris such as this! You are slipping!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
I am more than a
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 15:45.
I am more than a housekeeper, servant or slave to a man you nattering islamic nabob of negativism. Writer, artist, teacher..ah that is right..women have no place except to obey idiotic men without brains that practice the inane and purslane faith of islam. I have a good clean Scandinavian man now.. he is neither arabic, muslim! You are right! Good things to come to good people!
The Gods have forgiven me for having fallen in with a muslim!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Sorry CodyOmega.. go ahead
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 12:16.
Sorry CodyOmega.. go ahead and reprint them.. I must have gone brain dead for a minute! He does not get me angry no matter what he said, I just somehow can picture that tight little mouth droning on and on and on! If he was saying anything of consequence it would probably not be so stupid. Anyway I am entertained now> Did you see KungfuMaster's Disco ..wonder if they will play my song* shrugs unknowing* Go ahead. getting brunch soon as my dinner for tonight is already cooking. hehehe! Inundate him!
p.s. at least your postings make sense. Say have you heard that Bob Doney is our leader! I heard it yesterday!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Dr. Gary Miller
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:16.
Dr. Gary Miller (Abdul-Ahad Omar) - Former missionary
Gary Miller (Abdul-Ahad Omar) shows how we can establish true faith by setting standards of truth. He illustrates a simple but effective method of finding out the right direction in our search for truth.
G.R. Miller is a mathematician and a theologian. He was active in Christian missionary work at a particular point of his life but he soon began to discover many inconsistencies in the Bible. In 1978, he happened to read the Qur'an expecting that it, too, would contain a mixture of truth and falsehood.
He discovered to his amazement that the message of the Qur'an was precisely the same as the essence of truth that he had distilled from the Bible. He became a Muslim and since then has been active in giving public presentations on Islam including radio and television appearances. He is also the author of several articles and publications about Islam.
priests to islam
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:15.
http://www.islamdoor.com/former.htm
Former Christian Priests and Missionaries
who have Embraced Islam
Anselm Tormeeda - 14th century CE scholar and priest
Dr. Jerald F. Dirks - Former minister (deacon) of the United Methodist Church. He holds a Master's degree in Divinity from Harvard University and a Doctorate in Psychology from the University of Denver
Abdullah al-Faruq - Formerly Kenneth L. Jenkins, minister and elder of the Pentecostal Church
Anonymous Female Missionary - Former Catholic missionary
Martin John Mwaipopo - Former Lutheran Archbishop
Raphael - Former Jehovah's Witness minister
George Anthony - Former Catholic priest
Dr. Gary Miller (Abdul-Ahad Omar) - Former missionary
Anselm Tormeeda - 14th century CE scholar and priest (Extracted from Material on the Authenticity of the Qur'an: Proofs that it is a Revelation from Almighty God by Abdur-Raheem Greene)
Robert Bowman, bishop of the United Catholic Church in Melbourne
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:09.
'Once the truth about why the threat exists is understood, the solution becomes obvious. We must change our ways. Getting rid of our nuclear weapons unilaterally if necessary will enhance our security. Drastically altering our foreign policy will ensure it. '
'Instead of sending our sons and daughters around the world to kill Arabs so we can have the oil under their sand, we should send them to rebuild their infrastructure, supply clean water, and feed starving children. Instead of continuing to kill hundreds of Iraqui children every day with our sanctions, we should help Iraquis rebuild their electric power plants, their water treatment facilities, their hospitals, and all the things we have destroyed and prevented them from rebuilding. '
'Instead of training terrorists and death squads, we should close the School of the Americas [Ft. Benning, GA.]. Instead of supporting insurrection, destabilization, assassination, and terror around the world, we should abolish the CIA and give money to relief agencies. '
'In short, we should do good instead of evil. Who would try to stop us? Who would hate us? Who would want to bomb us? That is the truth the American people need to hear.'
bowman 2
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:08.
'We are the target of terrorists because, in much of the world, our government stands for dictatorship, bondage, and human exploitation. We are the target of terrorists because we are hated. And we are hated because our government has done hateful things.'
'In how many countries have agents of our government deposed popularly elected leaders and replaced them with puppet military dictators who were willing to sell out their own people to American multinational corporations?'
'We did it in Iran when the US Marines and the CIA deposed Mossadegh because he wanted to nationalize the oil industry. We replaced him with the Shah and armed, trained, and paid his hated Savak National Guard, which enslaved and brutalized the people of Iran, all to protect the financial interests of our oil companies. Is it any wonder that there are people in Iran who hate us?'
'We did it in Chile. We did it in Vietnam. More recently, we tried to do it in Iraq. And, of course, how many times have we done it in Nicaragua and all the other banana republics of Latin America? Time after time we have ousted popular leaders who wanted the riches of the land to be shared by the people who worked it. We replaced them with murderous tyrants who would sell out their own people so the wealth of the land could be taken out by the likes of Domino Sugar, Folgers, and Chiquita Banana.'
'In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, stifled freedom, and trampled human rights. That's why it is hated around the world. And that's why we're the target of terrorists.'
'People in Canada enjoy democracy, freedom, and human rights. So do the people of Norway and Sweden. Have you heard of Canadian embassies being bombed? Or Norwegian, or Swedish?'
'We are not hated because we practice democracy, value freedom, or uphold human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism and in the future, nuclear terrorism.'
Robert Bowman, bishop of the United Catholic
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:07.
'Why the USA is hated' by Robert Bowman, bishop of the United Catholic Church in Melbourne Beach, FL.
(Robert Bowman flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is presently bishop of the United Catholic Church in Melbourne Beach, FL. Originally printed in The National Catholic Reporter, Oct. 2, 1998.)
'The truth is that none of our thousands of nuclear weapons can protect us from these threats. No Star Wars system no matter how technically advanced, no matter how many trillions of dollars are poured into it, can protect us from a nuclear weapon delivered in a sailboat or a Cessna or a suitcase or a Ryder rental truck. Not one weapon in our vast arsenal, not a penny of the $270 billion a year we spend on so-called defence can defend against a terrorist bomb. That is a military fact.'
'As a retired lieutenant colonel and a frequent lecturer on national security issues, I have often quoted Psalm 33: "A king is not saved by his mighty army. A warrior is not saved by his great strength." The obvious reaction is, "Then what can we do?" Is there nothing we can do to provide security for our people?'
'There is. But to understand it requires that we know the truth about the threat. President Clinton did not tell the American people the truth about why we are the targets of terrorism when he explained why we bombed Afghanistan and Sudan. He said that we are a target because we stand for democracy, freedom, and human rights in the world. Nonsense!'
John Dominic Crossan (35 years of searching for the historical J
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 11:05.
Comparative Analysis
"Do not hate your enemy for he may one day become your friend" ~
"Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself . . . " Robert G. Ingersoll
"God sacrificed his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their own sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but is an obcene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect out imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us." (page 145-146) and "Actually, the fact that we have four gospels lies at the very heart of our problem. Because we read particular parables or sayings or stories in several different versions, we can't miss the disagreements between them" (page 3-4), From "Who is Jesus" by John Dominic Crossan (35 years of searching for the historical Jesus and former Catholic priest)
The Quran
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 09:53.
The Quran explicitly states that men and women are equal in the eyes of God. Furthermore, the Quran:
forbids female infanticide (practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia and other parts of the world)
instructs Muslims to educate daughters as well as sons
insists that women have the right to refuse a prospective husband
gives women rights if they are divorced by their husband
gives women the right to divorce in certain cases
gives women the right to own and inherit property (though in Sunni Islam they get only half of what men inherit. Men are expected to care for their mothers and any unmarried female relatives, and would, it is reasoned, need greater resources for this purpose.)
While polygyny is permissible, it is discouraged and on the whole practiced less frequently than imagined by Westerners. It is more frequent in the Gulf, including Saudi Arabia. Many Muslims cite the Quranic phrase "But treat them equally... and if you cannot, then one [wife] is better" and argue that monogamy is preferable, or even mandatory.
Americans believe
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 09:52.
Americans believe that Muslim women are oppressed by their religion, forced to cover themselves completely, denied education and other basic rights. It is true that Muslim women, like women all over the world, have struggled against inequality and restrictive practices in education, work force participation, and family roles. Many of these oppressive practices, however, do not come from Islam itself, but are part of local cultural traditions. (To think about the difference between religion and culture, ask yourself if the high rate of domestic violence in the United States is related to Christianity, the predominant religion.)
until 1882, the property of women in England was given to their
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 09:50.
Islam gives women a number of rights, some of which were not enjoyed by Western women until the 19th century. For example, until 1882, the property of women in England was given to their husbands when they married, but Muslim women always retained their own assets. Muslim women could specify conditions in their marriage contracts, such as the right to divorce should their husband take another wife. Also, Muslim women in many countries keep their own last name after marriage.
A peasant woman tending her sheep in Turkey [ enlarge ]
The Quran explicitly states that men and women are equal in the eyes of God. Furthermore, the Quran:
PRINCE CALLS FOR GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF ISLAM
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 09:47.
PRINCE CALLS FOR GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF ISLAM
SOURCE: The Times. By Alan Hamilton.
THE need for an understanding of Islam has arguably never been greater than now, the Prince of Wales told an audience of Muslim academics and community leaders yesterday. Speaking at the opening of a postgraduate studies building at a Muslim education centre, the Prince praised the contribution of Islamic culture to European civilization in fields as diverse as mathematics, astronomy, medicine and the arts. He told an audience of 200 guests at the Markfield Institute of Higher Education, near Leicester, that the presence of Muslims in academia, public office and the higher echelons of British society was not something new, but was something to be celebrated. He also paid tribute to the sacrifice made by Muslims during the First and Second World Wars. “We might also pause to remember the hundreds of Muslims who died in the service of the Crown . . . the Merchant Navy memorials on Tower Hill in London, for example, provide ample evidence of those brave Muslim men who gave their lives on board British ships,” the Prince said. The Prince also recalled that when Lord Ahmed was elevated to the peerage in the 1990s, it was hailed as a breakthrough for the Muslim community. But the Muslim convert Lord Stanley of Adderley had beaten him into the Upper House by more than 100 years, as had Lord Headley, who announced his conversion to Islam in 1913.
Prince Charles' Speech at Wilton Park c
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 09:45.
Islamic culture in its traditional form has striven to preserve this integrated, spiritual view of the world in a way we have not seen fit to do in recent generations in the West. There is much we can learn from that Islamic world view in this respect.
There are many ways in which mutual understanding and appreciation can be built. Perhaps, for instance, we could begin by having more Muslim teachers in British schools, or by encouraging exchanges of teachers. Everywhere in the world people want to learn English. But in the West, in turn, we need to be taught by Islamic teachers how to learn with our hearts, as well as our heads. The approaching millennium may be the ideal catalyst for helping to explore and stimulate these links, and I hope we shall not ignore the opportunity this gives us to rediscover the spiritual underpinning of our entire existence.
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Prince Charles' Speech at Wilton Park b
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 09:44.
have always felt that tradition is not a man-made element in our lives, but a God-given intuition of natural rhythms, of the fundamental harmony that emerges from the union of the paradoxical opposites that exist in every aspect of nature. Tradition reflects the timeless order of the cosmos, and anchors us into an awareness of the great mysteries of the universe, so that, as Blake put it, we can see the whole universe in an atom and eternity in a moment. That is why I believe Man is so much more than just a biological phenomenon resting on what we now seem to define as "the bottom line" of the great balance sheet of life, according to which art and culture are seen increasingly as optional extras in life.
This view is quite contrary, for example, to the outlook of the Muslim craftsman or artist, who is never concerned with display for its own sake, nor with progressing ever forward in his own ingenuity, but is content to submit a man's craft to God. That outlook reflects, I believe, the memorable passage in the Koran, "whithersoever you turn there is the face of God and God is all-embracing, all knowing". While appreciating that this essential innocence has been destroyed, and destroyed everywhere, I nevertheless believe that the survival of civilised values, as we have inherited them from our ancestors, depends on the corresponding survival in our hearts of that profound sense of the sacred and the spiritual.
Prince Charles' Speech at Wilton Park
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 09:43.
Prince Charles' Speech at Wilton Park
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The Prince of Wales explains how the Muslim critique of materialism helped him to rediscover the sacred Islamic spirituality and the decline of the West.
I start from the belief that Islamic civilisation at its best, has an important message for the West in the way it has retained an integrated and integral view of the sanctity of the world around us. I feel that we in the West could be helped to rediscover the roots of our own understanding by an appreciation of the Islamic tradition's deep respect for the timeless traditions of the natural order.
I believe that process could help in the task of bringing our two faiths closer together. It could also help us in the West to rethink, and for the better, our practical stewardship of man and his environment - in fields such as health-care, the natural environment and agriculture, as well as in architecture and urban planning.
Modern materialism is unbalanced and increasingly damaging in its long-term consequences. Yet nearly all the great religions of the world have held an integral view of the sanctity of the world. The Christian message with, for example, its deeply mystical and symbolic doctrine of the Incarnation, has been traditionally a message of the unity of the worlds of spirit and matter, and of God's manifestation in this world and in mankind.
But during the past three centuries, in the Western world at least, a dangerous division has occurred in the way we perceive the world around us. Science has tried to assume a monopoly - even a tyranny - over our understanding. Religion and science have become separated, so that now, as Wordsworth said, "Little we see in nature that is ours". Science has attempted to take over the natural world from God; it has fragmented the cosmos and relegated the sacred to a separate and secondary compartment of our understanding, divorced from practical, day to day existence.
charles
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 09:39.
Islam can teach us today a way of understanding and living in the world which Christianity itself is poorer for having lost. At the heart of Islam is its preservation of an integral view of the Universe. Islam-refuses to separate man and nature, religion and science, mind and matter, and has preserved a metaphysical and unified view of ourselves and the world around us. . . . But the West gradually lost this integrated vision of the world with Copernicus and Descartes and the coming of the scientific revolution. A comprehensive philosophy of nature is no longer part of our everyday beliefs.
Britain's salvationby islam;charles said
Submitted by peace on Thu, 2006-02-16 09:23.
The future Charles III has made several strong public statements endorsing Islam as the solution to the spiritual and cultural ills of Britain and the West. His public advocacy of Islam appears to go back to 1989,Charles first delivered a major address on Islam on October 27, 1993, at the Sheldonian Theatre at Oxford where he is a vice patron of the Centre for Islamic Studies.
The guiding principle and spirit of Islamic law, taken straight from the Qur'an, should be those of equity and compassion.
Charles suggests that European women may even find something to envy in the situation of their Muslim sisters:
Islamic countries like Turkey, Egypt and Syria gave women the vote as early as Europe did its women-and much earlier than in Switzerland! In those countries women have long enjoyed equal pay, and the opportunity to play a full working role in their societies.
Charles considers Christianity inadequate to the task of spiritual restoration and denigrates science for having caused the West to lose its spiritual moorings. Echoing a common Muslim theme, he declares that "Western civilisation has become increasingly acquisitive and exploitive in defiance of our environmental responsibilities." Instead, he praises the "Islamic revival" of the 1980s and portrays Islam as Britain's salvation:
CHARLES'S PUBLIC STATEMENTS ABOUT ISLAM
Submitted by peace on Wed, 2006-02-15 19:25.
CHARLES'S PUBLIC STATEMENTS ABOUT ISLAM
Islam can teach us today a way of understanding and living in the world which Christianity itself is poorer for having lost. At the heart of Islam is its preservation of an integral view of the Universe. Islam refuses to separate man and nature, religion and science, mind and matter, and has preserved a metaphysical and unified view of ourselves and the world around us. . . . But the West gradually lost this integrated vision of the world with Copernicus and Descartes and the coming of the scientific revolution. A comprehensive philosophy of nature is no longer part of our everyday beliefs.
He concludes by suggesting that "there are things for us to learn in this system of belief which I suggest we ignore at our peril."
Re: Charles's Puclic Statements about Islam
Submitted by A New Believer on Wed, 2006-02-15 19:32.
Re Prince Charles ( shut up all)
Submitted by A New Believer on Wed, 2006-02-15 19:23.
And Prince Charles means what to us?!?
He has an opinion just like everyone here, all of us have one. If you are looking for acceptance from the Danish because of Prince Charles, I do not think they care. There are British who do not give a fig for what he says or thinks. Many Brits no longer want their monarchy! On the day he converts from teh Church of England..which his family is the titular head of, then come to me. I might be impressed. Nay I take that back I will be impressed. For it will mean he has thrown away the British Throne, and I would never have believed that happening. Come back when you have something of substantitive value!
My word should we be frightened of muslims. No.. I think we should just repatriate them back to whatever ignorant hole they came from and then Nuke it from site! It is the only way to be sure!
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
to rotten hoooker slut
Submitted by peace on Wed, 2006-02-15 20:13.
rotten hooker,ex new believer said
No.. I think we should just repatriate them back to whatever ignorant hole they came from and then Nuke it from site! It is the only way to be sure!
i think this is enough for u tonight.
hhahhah so freedom of opinion u claim u adopt but when u are squeeezed to the corner u want to kick us out and leave you talk to each other thinking that no one knows who u really are..
charles said they need muslism teachrs in not out slut bitch....
the man apppreciate muslims work in britain an d in europe during you rdamned world I and II..fool slut...
by the way have not u find any pig yet...hahah
rotten hooker slut peace, I like your new name..very pretty!
Submitted by A New Believer on Thu, 2006-02-16 01:41.
Well peace you igornant rooten hooker slut, hurry up beotch time for you to get out their and make Imran some money!
Remeber Charles is taken , you will get nowherei think this is enough for you tonight.
hahahhaha so freedom of opinion that you hate is against you and yours. You claim to propound islam..well you cannot claim anything. We are not pressed, we are just tired of listening to propaganda and smelling your stinky feet and asses!You ever stand behind a muslim on a hot day after he has been to teh bathroom and not used the toilet paper.. how do you use your hand to wash your ass, filthy rotten hooker, cause you are not doing it at teh sink I understand. And if thre is not bidette. Do you actually put your hand back in the water again. Such delightful hygiene. No one is squeezed to a corner dearie, I thought repatriating you home would be better than firing up a couple of I.G. Farben old ovens hehehe! Now, now.. you are the one that called me a n**i remember, I am trying to help you! Personally I think we should just round you up in spaceship and send you hurtling into the sun. But that is not because I do not like you. I just think you have outlived your usefulness as purveyor of compost material and offal. As for people knowing who we are.. prehaps we know who you are! Did you ever stop to think about that? How do you know that your fellow muslims online are muslims, fithy rotten hooker peace. Are you sure? Ah you mean because they propound the good speech! You know they are..for sure. Cell members of yours perhaps! YOu never know do you? Is it the man at the grocers, little one? The chemist shop where you fill out your prescriptions! Could it be the next door neighbor? Positive you know who everyone is, much less anyone else? Whose list are you on? Or maybe not? Muslims together that is your song, winding teh terrorist trail rocky and long? Is the one who betrays you the man across the street, or is he on the forum kissing your feet! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Who cares what Charles thinks slut, he may not be the next King. The Princes are older, he has been an embarassment to teh Crown. Are you sure he will inherit? Are you sure the secret police is not out looking for you? Have you had your phone tapped today! When are YOU going to panic? Have you seen mother baby standing in the shadows? They should leave muslim teachers out, they may be welcome in those neighborhoods of semi detached houses. there were hindus who worked for Britain during WWI and WWII. Lawrence of Arabia is dead. Do you really think they will hand the throne over to that man if he becomes a member of a your religion. And Diana was with Dodi Al Fayed, Hmm! And Harry and William were her sons! Hmmm! Let's see would Diana have converted? Never got the chance to find out did we? Of course that is just a conspiracy theory, that traveled around. bu filthy rotten hooker peace, YOU are a pig! A Gay pig but a pig nonetheless! Never put too much stock in the Prince, he will abandon you if it is not in his best interests, and you really are not in his best interests. All thhings bright and beautiful , all creatures great and small. The walls they have big ears my dear. Will you see them when they fall!
Bye bye! There... I leave you with that to think about! By the way? Are you sure you know ALL your neighbors * Whistle while you work!*
Odin be Praised! Baldur Save Us!
Britain's salvation by islam :said prince charles
Submitted by peace on Wed, 2006-02-15 19:12.
CHARLES'S PUBLIC STATEMENTS ABOUT ISLAM
The future Charles III has made several strong public statements endorsing Islam as the solution to the spiritual and cultural ills of Britain and the West.
Charles first delivered a major address on Islam on October 27, 1993, at the Sheldonian Theatre at Oxford where he is a vice patron of the Centre for Islamic Studies.
Charles suggests that European women may even find something to envy in the situation of their Muslim sisters:
Islamic countries like Turkey, Egypt and Syria gave women the vote as early as Europe did its women-and much earlier than in Switzerland! In those countries women have long enjoyed equal pay, and the opportunity to play a full working role in their societies.
Charles considers Christianity inadequate to the task of spiritual restoration and denigrates science for having caused the West to lose its spiritual moorings. Echoing a common Muslim theme, he declares that "Western civilisation has become increasingly acquisitive and exploitive in defiance of our environmental responsibilities." Instead, he praises the "Islamic revival" of the 1980s and portrays Islam as Britain's salvation: