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Cheers!

No one here takes 'Mrs. Revathy Parmeswar' seriously. However, if you want to launch into an anti-Western and anti-Christian tirade, take it to the Tora Bora mountains like your fellow co-religionists. Judging by your posts, it is evident, that while the Qu'ran, hatred and unconventional warfare are specialities of the madrasses, English is not. Perhaps if Muslims brushed up on English, the international language of business rather than these other pursuits, they could participate in the global economy on a greater level and they would not be so impoverished and frustrated.

god u people are total jerks!how can u judge something u dont even KNOW!dont judge islam and dont u dare bad mouth it cause one day u will stand infront of god and u'll know how stupid and ignorant u were!the bibble was a book from god too and i respect it but it was a book for a certain age and now its over,the religion now is islam iam a 17 year old gurl but i knw my way better than all of u people...no hard feelings,i pity u,god bless..

The only way the West can preserve its way of life and its freedoms (which are rapidly eroding like free speech and free press) is to eradicate Islam from its shores.

Islam and the West are incompatible. Islam is evil. Don't believe it? Then read the Quran; don't take the lying words of Islamic apologists. I've read it and it is not only a book of hate but of lies as well.

Thank God in America police stations are NOT calling us to come to their headquarters to explain the use of our inalienable RIGHT to free speech and free press. AND thank God we have the right to firearms to protect ourselves in the upcoming war with Islam within our nation. I don't expect Europe to survive its Christian/Judeo heritage. It is post Christian now and pre-Islamic, but not for long. The Dhimmitude politicians will see to that.

To the user who wrote about nuking the Muslim community you present common, egotistical and atrocious American style of viewing the world. Please tell me if you were placed in the president’s position could you really press the button that kills millions of innocent lives? Well, knowing the disturbed nature that many idiots like you possess your answer is probably yes. So I ask you, would you actually be physically able to look each women and child in their innocent eyes and with your cold-blooded hands splatter the blood on the floor? Maybe being placed in such a situation would make you realise the idiocy of such comments. Thank god we don’t have presidents like you.

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http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060412-055808-8735r

” we guarantee a free practice of religion without provocation and discrimination, because: That's the real meaning of freedom of speech!”

Sorry but you are wrong, freedom of speech means the right to question things you don’t believe in or agree with even if the other part finds it an insult that you question their beliefs or opinions.
Freedom of speech is of no use to anybody if it’s not used to challenge beliefs or opinions, how would our view of the world have been today if nobody had challenged the people who claimed that ships would drop off the earth when they reached the horizon? People’s right to question existing beliefs is the reason that great inventions and discoveries have been made.

Freedom of religion is the right to freely practice the religion of your choice, but does not in anyway safeguard it from opinions the followers might find provocative.

i just want to say something to the complete idoit who wrote the last comment on page 1. I am a 15 year old muslim girl and the worst thing i have probably done is come home 30 minuites late after my cerfew and your saying i should be nuked. First of all what the hell does NUKE mean asshole and second of all what is more cowerdly then hoping for a 15 year old girl who wants to be a doctor when shes older to help people to be NUKED ( still have no idea what this stupid word means) or is a person more cowerdly for being felt insulted when your god and your beloved prophet has been insulted. If i do get nuked then i hope you can live with your self and when im older and for some reason your dieing and need a doctor ie me then dont come to me because with your sort of remarks i would probably NUKE you. You wonder why Muslims all around the world are full of anger and why seven year old boys in Afganistan want to suicide bomb the selves to save their brothers and sisters. Well its all your fault with your stupid stupid NUKENESS! Anyway i got to go and finnish my courswork because doctors arnt going to make themselves!

Are you really sure that those imams really want to kill you, especially those Americans who really fear the Irak's radicals?
You should think about it a while: There's a big differences between our world and this of the arabian world, we cannot insult muslims for not understanding the manner of freedom of speech! Our different worlds have completely different values and different comprehensions of society, religions and at lest of caricatures!
When I read the article it was already clear for me: We cannot send this pressure of the threats, that have been sent to the Danish and Norwegian papers back to all Imams and Muslims in the world. It is not their fault that there are some kind of radicals, who cannot understand our values. But it is on us to show them, how we mean and translate those caricatures, it is obiously that they do not want any insults on Mohammed and his character, we wouldn't accept that for Jesus either!
And I have to ask: How often did the catholic church NOT understand any jokes and cartoons about its manners and traditions. It is not the first time, that papers have those problems about publishing caricatures and there is a differneces between our freedom of speech and those horrible comments full of hatred against the islamists. If we talk of laughing about our "faults" or our narrow-minded images than we should start laughing about our politicians and religions either.
If you ask me, there is no problem to laugh about things that are important for yourself, as long as you know, that those who published the cartoons don't mean it in a provoking way. And they don't.
I think it is time for an account that explains: we guarantee a free practice of religion without provocation and discrimination, because: That's the real meaning of freedom of speech!

please check out this book!
www.islam-guide.com
Let's think rationally! we have to know this religion talks about what NOT listening to others ! we have to make sure of this info is correct or not!
Be rational and know what is Islam (with correct info) then decide!
I believe in Freedom so much but I respect all beliefs more! that's why I knew the truth of Islam.. it's so good religion!

We see you running around like rabid dogs in heat on the news every night. It is rather sickening to witness quite honestly. The religious stupor you are all in will be your means to your end. The tide of hatred in the west is rising against you each and everyday, so pray to God, pray to Mecca, whatever the fuck you animals do because it will soon be your only defense.

You may not like Clinton and Gore apologizing to Muslims for cartoons, but how do you like Bush sucking up to the UAE, breaking the law and tell us it's a done deal despite the illegalities?

For my part, I wonder why any politicians believe that US citizens ought to apologize to Muslims for anything! It's they who killed 3000 of ours, and I don't see a tiny sign of their remorse.

I think the politicians on both sides don't have a clue about how the average American really feels about arrogant imams, terrorists, and the people who admire them and won't stand up to them (I suspect they're waiting to see who wins). It isn't apologetic, either.

Everytime Muslims blame us for everything, including their own destruction of other Muslims' mosques and other Muslims, for that matter; and demonstrate for days over silly cartoons, blow themselves up to kill anybody and everybody else, etc., well, why does anyone think it's our place to calm them down?

They are listening to the evildoers who are stirring them up. If they think that our politicians are apologizing for us, they are going to be very surprised --if anything, our politicians are just trying to keep the lid on Americans. There is genuine dislike for everything 9/11 represents concerning those who attacked us. And it won't go away with all the sucking up the politicians are doing.

I can't wait to see which politicians will stand up with the people of the US in this UAE Ports matter.

Can't you?

I must confess I wasn't drinking coffee with my ampicillin...I had Constant Comment tea with honey and lemon and Puerto Rican rum...I feel better, too.
Sorry I missed the pagan Norse stories.
BTW, American Indians leave food out for the "spirits" just like A New Believer does...I went thru that religion, but, come to find out, it was a deception...Religions which rely on human intercessors are all deceptions, because humans are sinners all...

This is a very profound point, you see, about whether a human can reach God in a sinful state and how his prayers will be received. A Christian can, of course, reach God in a holy state because Christ is his intercessor and his prayers are made acceptable--thus, God's answer will be holy.
This is not the case with human intercessors.

Just thought I'd share what I know.

Note: I liked the Chi-wah-wah! It beats a fat-wah. I hope the poster from the Phillipines can find comfort from the tragedies there.

Nice to see you all!

Hello, I'm back, after a week with a cold and a sore throat...but I'm having trouble with the site. I'm being told I am being denied access to pages and I cannot post...so, I'm trying again.

Testing, testing...

The infidels of the US, China, Russia, Europe, Japan, India and Australia versus Islam!

The world's first twenty minute war!
 

I meant eye-witnesses when I said witnesses. I am sorry that you misunderstood the context I intended. But I see that you were once a Protestant Christian to take the term as you did.

I like a good story, especially with muffins. The Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t come here anymore, not since 6 of them together insisted I defend my faith, but the men among them became alarmed when the women showed interest in Christ and women’s rights. The men hurriedly ushered them out. Same for the 5 Mormons who carried out their 18 yr. old Fiji Islander elder who was in a fit of laughter after I snickered and commented on their expectation of how women will enjoy keeping house in Heaven. They don’t come here anymore, either.

If you came to my house, New Believer, with muffins at 5:00am, I’d listen to your stories. And we’d have a free exchange of discussion. I’m still laughing at the Thor and the mighty mortal woman story I read, but if you can match that, you’re welcome.

Bring the muffins (I favor blueberry) and I’ll provide the Caribou Coffee (Rich French Roast).

To be sure, I don't think the pagans missed very much. Their various mythologies covered everything. However, Christianity has witnesses and mythologies do not.
Besides, what Christ preached, paganism did not preach. Christ preached salvation. Buddhism and Hinduism have souls reincarnating forever because they understood that souls can't make it to heaven on their own. Islam preaches a carnal heaven where men have sex with chained women, but the soul does not have an earthly body (which is only useful in an earthly life).
Yes, pagans thought of everything except salvation.
Christians have witnesses that Christ was killed and that he died. And they have witnesses that he returned to life. Pagans had no witnesses. They had wishful thinking.
Muslims, through Muhammad, borrowed much from Jews and Christians without understanding what they were talking about. And, in fact, Allah was the word for the pagan moon god of the Arabs.
It is noteworthy that the pagans gave up their religions when Christianity supplanted them.
Christians have their own Scripture with witnesses to its truths. Islam is still a pagan religion that cherry-picked ignorantly through Judaism and Christianity.
Paganism certainly did precede Christianity, but no savior preceded Christ, nor taught as he taught, nor performed miracles of healing. Pagans have their myths, but Christians have their witnesses, which pagans never had.

Salvation, Egypt, 1300 BC
This ancient papyrus shows a Dead Guy's judgment in the Egyptian Hall of Two Truths, on the left, the Dead Guy's soul is led to the scales of judgment by the jackal-headed God Anubis, who also, in the center, adjusts the Scales of Justice on which the Dead Guy's heart (the location of his "maat,' = goodness) is measured.
The monster Ammut crouches at the scales, hoping the Dead Guy fails the test, in which case Ammut with swallow his heart, and Dead Guy will suffer torment for a few eons, then die.

At the mid-right the Ibis-headed Thoth writes down the outcome of the judgment The Dead Guy did OK -- he was declared "maa-kheru" = "justified" -- so he's lead off by the God Horus to stand before Osiris, who grants him eternal life.
[Papyrus of Hunefer, c 1280 BC, from Thebes.]

Jesus brought salvation. Osiris brought salvation 1,400 years earlier.

Want to know more? Sure you do. Let's go look.

Yeah, but isn't all this just whacko junk history?
Modern scholars don't think so.

And the early Christians didn't think so either. Listen to Christian apologist St. Justin Martyr, writing to a Pagan in the second century AD,

How much did Christianity inherit from the Pagans?
Everything

The POCM web site introduces you to the mainstream modern scholarship about Christianity's origins in ancient Pagan religion.

You already know Christmas trees and Easter eggs were originally Pagan, and you probably know the traditional mid-winter and spring timing of the two holidays was Pagan too. Mildly interesting. Not what you'll find here.

What you'll discover here is that Christianity inherited everything from the Pagans. The core of Christianity -- the worship of a dying Godman who is resurrected, ascends into heaven and brings salvation to mankind -- was also the core of a number of ancient Pagan religions that began in the Near East two thousand years before Jesus.

Christian theology borrowed more than the archaic myth of the dying-resurrected Godman. Initiation by baptism, communion with the God through a holy meal that represented the flesh of the dead God, the Holy Spirit, monotheism, and immortality of the soul were all core beliefs of many ancient faiths. They were simply part of ancient Mediterranean culture.

Christianity also borrowed elements of Jesus' mythology: the virgin birth, the miracles (including turning water into wine, walking on water, and especially healing the sick) were all common elements of pre-Christian Pagan religions. Mithras had 'em. So did Dionysus, Attis, Osiris, and Orpheus. And more. And they had them centuries before Christianity was a twinkle in Saint Paul's eye.

The Trinity - a Muslim Perspective
A lecture by English convert to Islam, Abdal-Hakim Murad, given to a group of Christians in Oxford, 1996

think, two reasons for this. Firstly, the doctrine of Trinity was the most notorious point at issue between Christianity and Islam, and hence was freighted with fierce passions. For the pre-modern Muslim mind, Christian invaders, crusaders, inquisitors and the rest were primarily obsessed with forcing the doctrine of Trinity on their hapless Muslim enemies. It is recalled even today among Muslims in Russia that when Ivan the Terrible captured Kazan, capital of the Volga Muslims, he told its people that they could escape the sword by 'praising with us the Most Blessed Trinity for generation unto generation.' Even today in Bosnia, Serb irregulars use the three-fingered Trinity salute as a gesture of defiance against their Muslim enemies. And so on. Much Muslim theologising about the Trinity has hence been set in a bitterly polemical context of fear and often outright hatred: the Trinity as the very symbol of the unknown but violent other lurking on the barbarous northern shores of the Mediterranean, scene of every kind of demonic wickedness and cruelty.

Abdal-Hakim Murad

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British convert to Islam, Abdal-Hakim Murad, was born in 1960 in London. He was educated Cambridge University (MA Arabic), and at al-Azhar University, the highest seat of learning in Sunni Islam. He has studied under traditional Islamic scholars in Cairo and Jeddah, including Shaykh Ahmad Mashhur al-Haddad, and Shaykh Ismail al-Adawi. Abdal-Hakim Murad has translated several classical Arabic works, including Imam al-Bayhaqi's 'Seventy-Seven Branches of Faith', and 'Selections from the Fath al-Bari'. He is also the Trustee and Secretary of The Muslim Academic Trust and Director of The Anglo-Muslim Fellowship for Eastern Europe.

Read other articles by Abdal-Hakim Murad on this site here.

Several key experiences led Dr. Hofmann to Islam. The first of these began in 1961 when he was posted to Algeria as Attaché in the German Embassy and found himself in the middle of the bloody guerilla warfare between French troops and Algerian National Front which was fighting for Algerian independence for the past eight years. There he witnessed the cruelty and massacre that the Algerian population endured. Every day, nearly a dozen people were killed - "close range, execution style" - only for being an Arab or for speaking for the independence. "I witnessed the patience and resilience of the Algerian people in the face of extreme suffering, their overwhelming discipline during Ramadan, their confidence of victory, as well as their humanity amidst misery." He felt it was their religion that made them so, and therefore, he started studying their religious book - the Qur'an. "I have never stopped reading it, to this very day."

Dr. Hofmann, who accepted Islam in 1980, was born as a Catholic in Germany in 1931. He graduated from Union College in New York and completed his legal studies at Munich University where he received a doctorate in jurisprudence in 1957. He became a research assistant for the reform of federal civil procedure, and in 1960 received an LL.M. degree from Harvard Law School. He was Director of Information for NATO in Brussels from 1983 to 1987. He was posted as German ambassador to Algeria in 1987 and then to Morocco in 1990 where he served for four years. He performed umrah (Lesser Pilgrimage) in 1982 and Hajj (Pilgrimage) in 1992.

“u remember the story of a genetile woman bringing her bl,ind daughter for jesus to cure and what was jesus’s respond?” shall I take the bread out of the childrens mouth (meaning isrealis) and give it to the dogs(meaning the genetile woman)”

When Jesus preached and met people and spoke to them, he knew personal things about them that others could not have known. When Jesus spoke to the Canaanite woman, he wanted her to make an act of faith. She knew what he meant by what he said, and she made that act of faith. Jesus said, “O woman, great is your faith!” and he healed her daughter, who had been “tormented by a demon” (not blind). That was Jesus’ response. Tell the whole story, if you please.

Muhammad performed no miracles because he was just a man. Muslims have tried to have Muhammad mimic Christ, but his miracles are silly (see the Hadith). Muhammad was in need of healing himself—his religious experiences, as described, appear to be the result of mental problems and/or epilepsy. Muslims can interpret his seizures their way, and others are free to interpret them in other ways.

If anyone is confusing Islam with Christianity, it is Muslims, by pretending that Muhammad performed miracles.

*scratch* *scratch*

"Jesus himself said that God and the Church are not the same province."

I'm sorry. It should be God and the State are not the same province.
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Has anyone here ever heard of "listening for feelings"? This is a psychological technique whereby one senses the feelings behind and accompanying behavior (and speech).

I have to say it: When those Muslims finish their posts with their creepy lies and deceptiions, I start itching and feeling scaly. They make me feel dirty.

That's not an accident. That's what they exude.

*scratch* *scratch*

But, what is the beauty of Islam? What wayward conditions of Christianity are you talking about? What problems are “Christian problems” and how and why is Islam the solution to Christianity’s problems and the problems of religion as a whole?

You have not shared your knowledge. You have not explained what you find wrong with Christianity. But I hope you will.

What sort of Islam do you adhere to? Perhaps you are a member of the Nation of Islam of Minister Farrakhan? Please tell us.

What kind of denomination is Church, Indiana, of which you were a minister and an elder? I don’t understand. Please clarify that.

Kenneth L. Jenkins
Former Minister and Elder of Church, Indiana USA
As a former minister and elder ofthe Christian church, it has become incumbent upon me to enlighten those that continue to walk in darkness. After embracing Islam I felt a dire need to help those who have not yet been blessed to experience the light of Islam.
I thank Almighty God, Allah, for having mercy upon me, causing me to come to know the beauty of Islam as taught by Prophet Muhammad and his rightly guided followers. It is only by the mercy of Allah that we receive true guidance and the ability to follow the straight path, which leads to success in this life and the Hereafter.

Praise be to Allah for the kindness shown to me by Shaykh 'Abdullah bin 'Abdul-'Azeez bin Baz upon my embracing Islam. I cherish and will pass on the knowledge gained from each meeting with him. There are many others who have helped me by means of encouragement and knowledge, but for fear of missing anyone, I will refrain from attempting to list them. Sufficient it is to say that I thank Almighty God, Allah, for each and every brother and sister that He has allowed to play a role in my growth and development as a Muslim.

I pray that this short work will be of benefit to all. I hope that Christians will find that there is yet i hope for the wayward conditions that prevail over the bulk of Christendom. The answers to Christian problems are not to be found with the Christians themselves, for they are, in most instances, the root of their own problems. Rather, Islam is the solution to the problems plaguing the world of Christianity,as well as the problems facing the so-called worldof religion as a whole. May Allah guide us all and reward us according to the very best of our deeds and intentions.